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 Ultimate Discussions of ASNB Fixed Price UT, Magical UT only in Malaysia

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post Dec 28 2019, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 27 2019, 01:45 PM)
Or you can ask me. ASBF is my bread abd butter laugh.gif
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no lah. i mean ask the bank teller why she's not taking the ASB loan to max her ASB1 account. I thought bank staffs should know quite well.


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post Dec 28 2019, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Haloperidol @ Dec 28 2019, 10:38 AM)
Wahh.. seriously if someone wanna sell me ASM1 , i prefer meet up and deal personally.
But 2% .. hmm.. is it expensive or is it a market rate ?
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Market rate is 0%. 2% is the asking price so that you can get ahead of the market.
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post Dec 30 2019, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(raptar_eric @ Dec 30 2019, 01:38 PM)
no more looooo
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So fast no more. I wanted to counter offer to buy from you and ask for 1% cash back
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post Dec 30 2019, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 30 2019, 07:20 PM)
what if after transferring the units, u refuse to give the cash? it's the risk to the seller.
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actually, if you're really keen to know, what I would do is prepare everything, together-gether submit to the bank teller and say there is no turning back for both transactions. If revert one, must revert the other.

But of course, not foolproof. one can argue that network could go down in between the transactions.
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post Dec 30 2019, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 30 2019, 09:16 PM)
So much trouble

its like a drug transaction. "You give me the cash Ill give you the briefcase!"
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That's why I envy you guys. Login almost can buy instantly. No need to waste so much time.

I'm off the entire last week till tomorrow. Everyday hunt ASM 1 2 3 only.
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post Dec 31 2019, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(hc7840 @ Dec 31 2019, 10:43 AM)
Scammer or he is fishing people to buy directly from him to earn extra 2 percent.
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he didn't say going to do a direct p2p sale. he's selling to the bank. you guys can try buying.

Johor and north/east peninsula new Malaysia are open.

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post Dec 31 2019, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(popice2u @ Dec 31 2019, 10:55 AM)
1 Jan 2020, Johor working?
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work la. Wawasan 2020 change to Kemakmuran 2030 already. Maybe Jan 1 2030 the entire new Malaysia holiday.
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post Dec 31 2019, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Dec 31 2019, 11:44 AM)
Did anyone managed to top up ASM 1 today?

I did not get any unit today. But, I managed to get some tiny units of ASM 2 and ASM 3.

It appears as if ASM 1 is locked for the bundle with ASNB variable price products, but I am not sure at all.
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yes i got ASM1 and 3, couldnt get any ASM2 today

they dont block any ASM for bundle purposes. PNB has over 200m units to bundle with. they can also issue new units.

it's just everyone gunning for ASM1 assuming that it will give 5.5% dividend vs 5% for the other two
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post Dec 31 2019, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Dec 31 2019, 12:40 PM)
Thanks for the assurance on ASM 1, believe.

How many ASM 1 units did you get? 3 digits, or 4 digits?

Yeah, I agree with you that ASM 1 is perceived to be most valuable among 3 ASNB fixed products for non-bumis, thus it is most difficult to get ASM 1 units.
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you are welcome bro

1000 only.
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post Dec 31 2019, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Dec 31 2019, 12:50 PM)
beLIEve

I am not a economist, so this is just a hypothetical scenario.

If somehow KLCI significantly during July to August 2020, then it is highly probable that the dividend for ASM 2 and ASM 3 will be higher than of ASM 1.

So, it is not confirmed that the dividend for ASM 1 will be highest among 3 ASNB fixed products for non-bumis.  It is more of which ASNB FP with better financial year.
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yeah. most people dont know how the whole thing works. just look at past records.

with ASB1 at 5.5%, dont even dream ASM1 giving 5.5%
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post Dec 31 2019, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 31 2019, 01:10 PM)
These are fixed-price funds right? Sorry I am only largely familiar with the ASB1,2, and 3

But if they are fixed-priced funds, it is likely that they can "manipulate" the distribution-rate, unlikely that they will give better returns than ASB1 and ASB2 (coming this April 1st). This is because the distribution given does not change the NAV/unit price, it remains to be RM1/unit

Unlike variable price funds, where the NAV/unit price would change according to the distribution/unit paid out.
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yes fixed price funds. ASM123 don't get bonus like ASB123 though.
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post Dec 31 2019, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Dec 31 2019, 02:06 PM)
New table calender 2020 from ASNB  biggrin.gif
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despite putting in so much efforts to buy ASM123, I got bupkis only
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post Dec 31 2019, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 31 2019, 01:42 PM)
Yeap, they don't.

However, the distribution, by nature can be determined by the fund manager however he likes. He even has the rights to give 0% despite the performance of the funds. You can complain but when you signed up for the funds you agreed to that

Distribution is not equivalent to dividend. They are similar, but they are practically very different
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ahh yeah i remember your explanation. i just dividend so that the general population understands.

i guess ASN tries their best to keep everyone happy. if they do a 0% stunt, many will just withdraw and it'll cause them some cashflow problem
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post Dec 31 2019, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(vanitas @ Dec 31 2019, 02:14 PM)
If you really want the table calendar, you can request for it via email afaik.
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ahh yeah that's what i was told. i thought qualified people will get it automagically without asking mah
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post Dec 31 2019, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 31 2019, 02:30 PM)
yeah man, that goes without saying. In fact, I believe, even if they are making some losses, they would try to give some distribution so people would be happy, this happens with normal UT, but can be adapted by fixed-price UT

The problem is, the distribution given out does not correlate with the NAV/unit price; immediately after distribution is paid out of the fund, the NAV would be reduced accordingly, so the new NAV/unit price should also change. This lack of transparency can be... dangerous to say the least.  rclxs0.gif  whistling.gif
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i thought as they make profit throughout the year, NAV/unit increase but not reflected because of the fixed price nature. distributing them units brings it closer to $1/unit


QUOTE(samuraix79 @ Dec 31 2019, 03:28 PM)
Last year I remember someone posted a website showing design of new calendar, so always thought HNWI get different calendars than normal investors  biggrin.gif
Year end get nothing from the hunt, the pool so so so dry. I think this past 1/2 year didn't even get 5 digit in total  bangwall.gif

P.S. suddenly got ASM2 hah hah, really must complain then only can get units  rclxms.gif
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i thought HNWI gets to join ASN Premier league. semi HNWI gets the calendar. LNWI gets error 068
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post Dec 31 2019, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 31 2019, 06:03 PM)
I am quite sure this applies to the other fixed price units
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Yes, this was brought up by some elders before.

The only comfort is that PNB-ASN is like semi-government. Otherwise I won't get in.
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post Dec 31 2019, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2019, 08:31 PM)
KLCI bled a lot today...
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yeah woh. i thought window dressing will push it up
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post Dec 31 2019, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Dec 31 2019, 07:53 AM)
Yeah, it's hard to get. I'm giving up on this also since the effort doesn't seem worth it.

I'd just cut back on the celebrations cost instead. This has the advantages of compounding interests and better than FD still.
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actually, if you look on a daily basis, it's hard to get and not worth. But if monthly basis, seemed ok. As long as you put in long term.
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post Dec 31 2019, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 31 2019, 10:56 PM)
yeha. but kinda funny that Public Mutual, CWA, (UTMCs) all give you Gold status, starclub status and loads more than some flimsy calendar...  laugh.gif
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I don't know all of these funds, but Public Mutual charges commission right? So status is indirectly paid with commission.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Dec 31 2019, 10:57 PM)
possible to introduce a new fund called Wawasan 2030? brows.gif
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ASB4 Makmur - Amanah Saham Makmur 2030

ASM4 - Amanah Saham Malaysia Baru

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