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jasonkwk
post Jul 11 2007, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jul 11 2007, 11:08 PM)
Nixie electronics in Jalan Pasar, remember to buy the connector AND crimp terminals. Tell them you want molex or AMP Mate-n-lok.
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sorry for offtopic
ohh , the one quite far from the main road.anyway what is a SMD ? last time my interviewer asked me whether I have built a PSU myself. sweat.gif

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empire23
post Jul 11 2007, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Jul 11 2007, 11:20 PM)
sorry for offtopic
ohh , the one quite far from the main road.anyway what is a SMD ? last time  my interviewer asked me whether I have built a PSU myself. sweat.gif
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Surface Mount Device, teeny weeny discreet components that don't require through hole connections.
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post Jul 12 2007, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jul 11 2007, 06:37 PM)
Well here's a simple cost run down. From what i've seen in my liberty

Discreets :

Resistors : RM 2 ringgit at most (basic carbon)
Capacitors : Main Tank : RM 15 (Good quality)
Capacitors : Secondary and Output filter : RM 10 (Basic quality)
Capacitors : Film : RM 5 (basic quality)
SMD components : RM 3 (for the controller)
Inductors : RM 20 : (assuming high quality)
Transformers : One primary and one secondary : 25 ringgit
PCB : RM 5

RM 85 all together

ICs :

Rectification Diode - RM5
PWM controller - RM 20 (good one lah, TI or LT model)
Output MOSFET - Assuming Independent regulation RM30 (10 each)
Fan Controller - RM 5
Feedback amp - RM 1
Current Feedback amp - RM 2
Other transistors - RM 5 at most

RM 70 all together

Case Items :

Fan : RM 15 (assuming decent quality OEM stuff)
Case : Basic Steel with gloss coat : RM 20
Fan Grill : Free : Probably comes with the case
Heatsinks : RM 10
Cables and Connectors : RM 15 (assuming Street retail for MOLEX)
Assembly : China labour, under the assumption of output vs worker pay, i guess 5 ringgit a PSU

RM 55 at total
So technically you have a total (street price component value AKA no quantity discount), so if i buy all the above from a place like pasar road, it should cost me the below figure.

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220 Ringgit to be sold around 400 bux

Real Production Price due to quantity discount should be 130-150 ringgit at WORST case. Electronics is a very quantity based industry, so even if the PSU costs 100 ringgit. I'm not surprised.
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Haha...oicccc....but should we be calculating a retailed products like tat? wat about side cost like R&D, etc...
no offence but dun tell me u'll calculate everythin parts by parts based on ur understanding b4 doing d purchase...

e.g. buy car: windshield $x, paint (per sq m) $x, rubbers (per kg) $x, steel (per kg) $x, etc
buy paper products: tree $xxx, packing $xxx, etc
buy milk: cow $x, packing $x, milking/squeezing cost $x, etc...

Lol...was juz kidding on d last 1...well, tatz juz wat i think lar...paiseh
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post Jul 12 2007, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(hybrid_monster @ Jul 12 2007, 01:03 PM)
Haha...oicccc....but should we be calculating a retailed products like tat? wat about side cost like R&D, etc...
no offence but dun tell me u'll calculate everythin parts by parts based on ur understanding b4 doing d purchase...

e.g. buy car: windshield $x, paint (per sq m) $x, rubbers (per kg) $x, steel (per kg) $x, etc
      buy paper products: tree $xxx, packing $xxx, etc
      buy milk: cow $x, packing $x, milking/squeezing cost $x, etc...

Lol...was juz kidding on d last 1...well, tatz juz wat i think lar...paiseh
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i do tat when buying a set of PC... unsure.gif common wat... car no need to count cuz usually it's definitely cheaper then u buy part by part original parts... for PSU... my fren DIY a PSU from a blown up Powerlogic Magnum 300 for the CPU fan display in the shop i working at... the air coming out of it is a lot cooler and stronger than original magnum 300... blink.gif i dunno wat he did or how though... rclxub.gif but when comes to assembling a PC he is rclxub.gif pulak... tongue.gif
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post Jul 12 2007, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(hybrid_monster @ Jul 12 2007, 12:03 PM)
Haha...oicccc....but should we be calculating a retailed products like tat? wat about side cost like R&D, etc...
no offence but dun tell me u'll calculate everythin parts by parts based on ur understanding b4 doing d purchase...

e.g. buy car: windshield $x, paint (per sq m) $x, rubbers (per kg) $x, steel (per kg) $x, etc
      buy paper products: tree $xxx, packing $xxx, etc
      buy milk: cow $x, packing $x, milking/squeezing cost $x, etc...

Lol...was juz kidding on d last 1...well, tatz juz wat i think lar...paiseh
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haha, at last someone notice there's an additional cost besides the direct material & direct labor cost, the overhead cost tongue.gif
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post Jul 12 2007, 05:02 PM

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post Jul 12 2007, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(hybrid_monster @ Jul 12 2007, 12:03 PM)
Haha...oicccc....but should we be calculating a retailed products like tat? wat about side cost like R&D, etc...
no offence but dun tell me u'll calculate everythin parts by parts based on ur understanding b4 doing d purchase...

e.g. buy car: windshield $x, paint (per sq m) $x, rubbers (per kg) $x, steel (per kg) $x, etc
      buy paper products: tree $xxx, packing $xxx, etc
      buy milk: cow $x, packing $x, milking/squeezing cost $x, etc...

Lol...was juz kidding on d last 1...well, tatz juz wat i think lar...paiseh
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What RnD, all switchers are the godamned same. If you want a design, it's already included with data sheet that comes with the main regulation chip, then just trim trim here, trim trim there, and hey! You're done. It's like telling me that building a linear power supply requires a gazillion bucks of RnD tongue.gif, RnD is usually left to chipmakers who come up with topologies that suit their chips, PSU makers just eat the specs and schematics and try to work around them. That's the way it works in real life.

Power supply design isn't complex. Cost cutting is, because if you have all the parts to work with, you can get away with bloody murder. It's the problem that companies wanna make money and cut down at the same time. It's like the question of how can you perform proper voltage clamping without the use of a proper IC regulator with adjustable feedback sense? Simple, you use Current Sense resistors and Zeners. But of course, you take an extremely large hit in the stability department.

Since i'mma so nice and i don't care about the millions it costs to develop a PSU wink.gif , here's a block diagram of mah PSU free for you rclxms.gif
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The secondary electronics industry relies on the innovation of bigger firms, it has always been that way, and why do bigger firms tolerate it? Well, if you give the customer a design where by you can only implement your chip in it, you win big time! Open up an FREE datasheet out there for a Switching regulator, everything's already there lah. And of course looking at the money these buggers make, it still doesn't justify anything because Power electronics isn't rocket science and heck there's always PSPICE.

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