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post Oct 24 2007, 01:15 AM

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i think you are trying to discourage ppl to subscribe izzi.... why? Man... why would you take your old report to upload here? Take the new report la. Try to provide us your exact location so that we know roughtly which place of KJ you are staying at.
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post Oct 24 2007, 11:25 AM

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as for the interest free thing, i believe they would be improvising it... cuz most of the charges would be bear by the reseller and so the reseller ask you to bear it lo...hehehe....

I will be trying to get distributorship from izzi.... when i get it, i will try to ask them for 0% interest la... heheheheh... then by that time, you guys could apply from me.... heheheheh....
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post Oct 24 2007, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(priesty @ Oct 24 2007, 03:45 PM)
hahhaha, good idea of u
then let us pay u back monthly without charging so much at one go lar
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How can i arrange a monthly payment with you wor... You will be dealing with the bank... the only thing that i might be able to do is to waive the interest...
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post Oct 25 2007, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(sairay @ Oct 24 2007, 11:29 PM)
Hmmm....its sad to know they are izzi sales guys here who are unscrupulous.. However, take my word for it sales guy are always salesman and they don't know much about technical issue.

What old data its just 2weeks. Am trying to share my experience here and some young punk trying to be rude. Youngster nowadays are really $^%$^&$^&^

FYI, I don't might paying premium for good service but I am only getting 10% of the promised bandwidth. You think its ok ?

Btw, I have antenna provided by izzi and I am staying in SS4, KJ. I intend to lodge complaint to MCMC soon but filing and accumulating all evidence first. Here's the latest result for Mr.Izzi to see for himself.

And another think, for those of you who are getting good bandwidth then I am happy for you. But in my case do you think its ok paying RM98 for <150kbps and getting cut off or unable to sent email at all ??

Common sense. Everybody has it, use it wisely.
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Ahh... at least now you are clear about your problem... If i were you, complaint would be made... but i will try every single possibility that i can find to boost back my connection... I am not too sure about your problem but if i were the sales person(professional), i will try to figure it out... That would be more beneficial to me rather than just sell the service to you and then ignore you (Un-professional).

Have you tried to change the MTU settings?
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post Oct 25 2007, 02:42 AM

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thats why lo... subscribe only when its workable for you... i mean test it first before purchasing it ma....
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post Oct 25 2007, 03:45 PM

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well.... somehow, my streamyx connection is slightly slower today... not sure if it was the effect of the earthquake.
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post Oct 26 2007, 01:36 PM

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i think that we should put it this way.... iBurst uses RF signals... thus i believe if you put your comp near your TV (with Antenna) i think the signal would be good... I wonder if i could modify the antenna to link with my TV antenna... hehehehe...
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post Oct 26 2007, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 26 2007, 02:34 PM)
I went to the demo at Giant Kelana Jaya.

Ping to local servers around 80-100ms, but as with other wireless service, it has some spikes at 120-150ms but generally stable at 80ms.

This looks promising but I did not subscribe because i want to wait and see first.Remember what happens to Jaring Wireless? Initially there was such a hype on it with hundred pages of post, but today died already.

I dont understand why there is no concerted effort by these local players to combine their resources to come out with a reliable wireless solution? TIme Webbit, Jaring Wireless, Izzinet, Umobile 3G -- why cant they just merge?
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You are a funny guy.... ask yourself this... why not, carrefour, tesco, giant merge?
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post Oct 27 2007, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 26 2007, 03:42 PM)
simple, all these hypermarkets are backup with solid parent companies and models that work. Wireless technologies only sound good on papers. The companies that run these services are mostly near-bankrupt (TIME and MITV). Which makes me think twice before i subscribe to any of their service.

Since you are so 'unfunny' and generous, perhaps you should subscribe to Izzinet and let us know your experience since you are so loud


Added on October 26, 2007, 3:44 pm

Irrelevant.  doh.gif  people talk apple you talk orange.
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Lol... if you had read the previous posts, i am planning to be one of the distributor for them. Perhaps by then i could give you some firm answers...

By the way, regarding hypermarkets, if you had read some previous newspaper, it is said that the license for the hypermarket is reopen now... and walmart is planning to come into malaysia... and IF walmart does comes in, existing hypermarket would be affected.

and as for TIME and MITV, their timing wasn't right... thats why they are near-bankrupt... Investments must be put on the right time... and on the right place.... look around you... there are more and more people using mobile devices compared to the old days where basic laptop cost you at least RM3k...

I hope you understand what i am trying to say...I am not trying to flame you... blush.gif

p/s: for your information, malaysia have a policy where no monopoly is allowed... If all the ISP merged to be one big company, it would ruined more of malaysia's economy. unsure.gif


Added on October 27, 2007, 2:08 am
QUOTE(Motorbaby @ Oct 26 2007, 11:54 PM)
every month RM89 is only valid for credit card members?
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As long as repayment scheme, it would have to go through credit card

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post Oct 27 2007, 12:49 PM

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soul2soul... did TMNET comes in a boom? or did they come in through Klang Valley and then slowly expand to nationwide?

I am not sure who are the backbone for TIME or other ISP, but Izzinet's backbone is Kyocera...

And yes.. they put it in the right timing... Cuz right now, there are lots of complaints regarding other ISP.
The only thing that i see that izzi have yet to improve are:

Coverage area.
Consistent bandwidth.

Pricing wise, i would say its fair compared to maxis,celcom and etc...
and who said that you can't cancel anytime you want? Maybe you can do some research on their website first... Do all the comparison and then only you choose wisely...

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YOu could talk like a salesman, because it is your intention to sell , and I do not expect you to be impartial in your view on Izzinet.

It is not my intention to just sell... my intention is to DISTRIBUTE.
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post Oct 28 2007, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 27 2007, 08:51 PM)
ROTFLMAO!

Using big words do not make you look intelligent.  Kyocera manufactures the hardware for Izzi.  In fact, they are the only hardware manufacturer for iBurst equipment in the world, IIRC.  The only major customisation for each country that offers iBurst is the frequency it operates on.
When you distribute, aren't you selling the service?  Selling the iBurst hardware without the service is absolutely pointless, the hardware cannot be used for anything else apart from Izzi's service.

I am sorry if you think that it made me look intelligent. but lets put it this way... Kyocera is a huge company. They too wanted to market their product. Izzi is the sole distributor of the iBurst gadget. Kyocera wouldn't let Izzi fall that easily.I am not in the marketing line but i do understand a little of Marketing strategy.
If you think that Distributing is selling, i wonder, could you buy a BMW by just pure selling? and if the word distributing means selling, why would the word distribute come in the oxford dictionary.


Clearly you need to do a lot more careful thinking before you embark on such an ambitious endeavour.  You need to iron out those misrepresentations and inaccurate statements from your selling pitch  wink.gif
More inaccurate assertions and incomplete market research.  If you subscribe to Maxis Internet2Go, there is no minimum contract period.  You can cancel anytime.  It's currently priced at RM99 monthly.  You do, however, need to buy a datacard or phone that is HSDPA capable to enjoy the service.  This is a one time investment.  In case you haven't noticed, subscribers pay for the hardware when you subscribe to Izzi.  How else can you explain the difference in pricing between Izzi's different hardware packages offered, when all other terms of service remain the same?

True enough that one needs to buy the datacard/HSDPA phone to use internet2go... and of course pay the RM99 monthly.... and yes... its a one time investment... If you did the calculation correctly, how much would that cost for Maxis Internet2Go plan + the datacard/HSDPA phone for 12 months? Which price is cheaper?

An alternative to Maxis would be Celcom - its Broadband product.  They have a daily plan, a monthly plan with speeds capped at UMTS, and a premier plan on HSDPA.  Again, as with Internet2Go, you need to buy your own modem.  And again, you can cancel anytime.

IZZi plan also could be cancelled anytime within 6 months period. But hey... they refund you though you need to give them back the UT. While the datacard/HSDPA phone would be stucked with you if you unsubscribe Internet2Go.

Contrast this with Izzi - you pay upfront, then when you want to cancel, you have to wait for a refund cheque.  With the others, you just wait for the final bill before settling it.  And even if you opt for interest free instalment payments using your credit card with Izzi, you would still need Izzi's consent before your credit card company will cancel the remaining monthly instalments.  If there were no such controls, what's to stop me from buying an expensive product using interest free instalment, then unilaterally cancel my remaining instalments?  wink.gif
Please post the technical specifications of your antenna here.  For example, frequency band.  Gain.  Horizontal/vertical beamwidth.  As far as I'm aware, there are not many manufacturers who produce antenna optimised for iBurst.  Even if they did, you still need to find one that covers the 1800Mhz frequency for it to make a difference for Izzi.

Yeah... you are right about the "Waiting for refund thing" But heck... whats wrong with that? it is the same with all other interest free thing.. and you are very knowledgeable regarding antenna and stuff... and i do not...  unsure.gif

And of course you're absolutely correct - signal strength and performance are different things.  Although it may seem logical to assume good signal reception gives better speed, this is not always the case.  With wifi, I've survived on 30-40% signal strength and still managed to download at 150KB/s.  If you play with wireless technologies often enough, you'll see what I mean.  I currently subscribe to Streamyx, Celcom HSDPA, and Izzi, and use wifi extensively, so maybe I know what I'm talking about laugh.gif
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yeah... you are one hell of a internet user.... but among the 4, 2 of them are mobile (izzi and Celcom HSDPA). You've got to compare apple with apple...if you get what i mean...

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post Oct 28 2007, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
Unsubstantiated insults will get you nowhere my young padawan.  You have to learn to argue intelligently, backing up the points and assertions you make, otherwise you'll end up looking sillier in the eyes of fellow forumers.  And it appears that I am not the only one questioning your motives in posting all these rave reviews about the service.  But, I digress.  Let me begin my retort.

Once again, for reasons unknown to me, you have chosen to be totally inaccurate in your statements.  Out of the 4 wireless internet service providers (which 4 exactly are you referring to?  I only count the three major ones having a threshold of minimum service coverage, ie. Maxis, Celcom, and to a limited extent, Izzi), you mean to tell the people in this forum that Maxis is not mobile?  Even their home wireless broadband service is as mobile, if not more mobile than, Izzi's.  Of course the same goes for their Internet2Go service.  Are you deliberately leaving Maxis out of your arguments out of spite, because you've had a very negative experience with them before?  wink.gif


Oh... sorry for not stating correctly... I was reffering to the last paragraph that you wrote... hehehehe...

QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
Secondly, I have found nothing in your reply to warrant a thought-out reply from me.  You have attempted to cover up the deficiencies in your replies by making generalised statements without basis in fact.
What interest does Kyocera, a large Japanese company, has in the success of a miniscule Malaysian company apart from an arm's length relationship of selling its products, collecting the money due, and providing support?  Do you mean to tell me that Kyocera has a stake in Mobif/Izzi, the provider of this service?  I can't seem to find any publicly available information that this is the case, perhaps you can point us in the direction of one to back up your statement?  This is akin to saying that BMW wants Auto Bavaria, one of its distributors in Malaysia, to succeed, and that it cannot and will not let it fail.  This is pure hogwash.  They couldn't care less who does the distributing of their product, as long as anyone is capable of selling their products, they'll work with that party.

And you seem to be implying that if a large company is supplying you with the product, your company cannot fail.  History has shown that even when global, seemingly well run companies release their own products there is no guarantee of success - think about Betamax from Sony.  Think about what Sony is trying to do with BluRay now.  Think about Jaring's wireless service.  Think about Time's foray with its Webbit product.

Can you quote me authoritative studies of the rule where "large company = guaranteed success?" in every instance of its product launch?

To paraphrase Alexander Pope, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.  When people say they know a little, they think they know a lot and comment like an expert commentator, making all sorts of unsubstantiated statements and sometimes telling outright lies.



Lol.... i wasn't hiding anything nor implying anything... I was just speaking my mind out... afterall, this is a forum right? Thats why i said i know "I am not in the marketing line but i do understand a little of Marketing strategy." Sorry if i had mislead what i said...hehehehe

QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
I really don't understand what you are trying to say here.  Got your panties in a twist is it?  What I am saying is that when you distribute anything, you are selling that product or service, directly or indirectly.  Why bring the venerable Oxford dictionary into your argument?  doh.gif


Well... Do you call a Sole distribute giving the other wholesalers selling? That is call distributing. Selling is that you had the product and sold them to consumer directly. Correct me if i am wrong.

QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
Try to take a longer term view of this situation.  With Izzi, the product you buy cannot be used for anything else.  You own it after a year.  If you terminate, you'll have a hard time selling off the hardware to a very limited market.  With 3G/HSDPA devices, you can sell it easier, try looking in lelong.com to see how many HSDPA devices are on sale.  And if you already own a 3G/HSDPA phone, your hardware investment is nil.

Izzi's hardware is limited to 1mbps at the moment, perhaps 2mbps in the future.  HSDPA devices are already capable today of going up to 1.8mbps.  If you buy the right device, it will support up to 7.2mbps.  Speed wise, all other things being equal, you'll get more bang for your buck with a 3G/HSDPA service.  But of course this service is not for everyone, just like Izzi's is not universal panacea that some in this thread have made it out to be.
Sell off the datacard/modem/phone on lelong.com.  Plenty of buyers if you're not an unreasonable person when it comes to price.  It's not a throw away proposition when you buy a HSDPA datacard.  If Celcom doesn't work, try Maxis.  If that doesn't work, try U-Mobile.  With Izzi's hardware, you're stuck with Izzi, full stop.


I agree with you on the selling part of the datacard/modem/phone.. But lets put it this way... why would there be so many ppl selling off those devices if they were good? as for the izzi hardware, i believe that it would just be the same if one wanted to sell it off in lelong or ebay. There would still be ppl buying. *just to make sure that you don't get me wrong.... i am just speaking my thoughts out only.

QUOTE(wr6969 @ Oct 28 2007, 12:50 PM)
And I've always wondered why there is no money back guarantee after 6 months - perhaps Izzi will just kill your connection on the 6 month anniversary.  After all, you can't cancel, so what are you going to do about it?  doh.gif
Come on, my friend, you can do better than typing motherhood statements to back up your claims and statements.  Post something intelligent and which makes sense so fellow forumers can see that you are impartial when it comes to selling this service.


I wasn't brainstormed by those izzi marketer... What else can i say about it? All i know is that izzi would be the next revolution for internet access... *just to make sure that you don't get me wrong.... i am just speaking my thoughts out only.


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post Oct 29 2007, 12:58 AM

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I hope they could finish it up on time though...
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post Nov 12 2007, 06:52 PM

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Guys... i finally get the feed back liao.... Now i can sell iZZipro and iZZiyou... If you guys wanted to have a test run, drop me a PM...
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post Nov 13 2007, 06:24 PM

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Guys... i found some promotion in Low Yat regarding iZZi... when you purchase a toshiba laptop in one of the shop, the iZZi package will be half the normal price.

But i wonder how many people would go buy a laptop and just subscribe izzi... I might be a reseller but i am a fair reseller... If there are package that is better than mine, i would encourage them to go for it.. hehehehe
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post Nov 14 2007, 01:42 AM

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Well, i am looking forward to have better connection in Pandan Indah though ampang already had tower up... well, at least the Pandan Triangle as there are lots of prospect here that could use the izzi connection as many people here subscribe streamyx and doesn't want the phone line.

my signal strength in my house(Condo) is at 40-60% but after i added the antenna it went to 90-100%. So far, i am quite satisfied with the connection as i am not a gamer...
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post Nov 14 2007, 07:31 PM

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i think i had DC also... if this is the case, i suppose they had to do a major upgrade with their server i think...hehehe...
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post Nov 14 2007, 11:39 PM

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hahahah.... eon bank credit card sux... they offer me also i don't want i when i bought my car...
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post Nov 18 2007, 03:23 PM

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sorry... but where to get tweakmaster?

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post Nov 18 2007, 09:34 PM

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Just asked the GM of izzi about the refund policy.

Refund policy:

Within 7 days of usage, 100% refund with charges of RM180 for processing
No RM180 charges for customer that is situated at a blank spot.

75% refund for those who uses the service within 3 months.
50% refund for those who uses the service within 6 months.

*activation fee of RM82 is not refundable.

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