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post Oct 29 2019, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(arturo_bandini @ Oct 29 2019, 07:13 PM)
first, do you know that celcom/maxis/etc fiber service actually rides on tm infra? so basically, there is no point asking about speed, stability etc.

(there is some difference in performance though. once your connection reaches celcom/maxis network, it will use celcom/maxis own network instead of tm for national/international connection.)

pros:
1. maybe lower price. celcom/maxis/etc purchase fiber service at wholesale price from tm, so they can afford to sell a bit cheaper.

cons:
1. you are one extra layer away from the real service provider ™. so any problem, celcom will need to forward to tm. (even during installation, tm guys must be present.) most of the time, this situation leads to extra down time.
2. i heard that tm fiber service resellers like celcom & maxis set inferior settings by default, e.g. private/NAT IP by default, but they will consider moving you to public IP if you request & give justification (e.g. want to install home server / CCTV). if you don't even know what to ask/request then gg.
3. somebody told me of some performance difference when gaming as well, not sure which one is better, google away.
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So? Are you trying to say TM can sabotage their other wholesale players to their advantage?

Yes they really do and my understanding is they will cap your modem(fibre ONU/VDSL) to EXACTLY 30M or 100M and with overheads you'll always get less than your subscribed speed due to overhead. For their own Unifi service they'll cap the speed slightly higher so that it'll show that you get what you subscribed.

Why MCMC not taking any actions against this unfair practice and closing an eye?

The more reason our government should expedite and do away with the monopoly TM use to manipulate their wholesale towards their own ISP?
TNB should be running the passive wholesale fibre market instead than to allow a ISP to manage it.

@GobindSingh pls look into this unfair monopolistic act which TM Wholesale use against their competitors.

To have healthy competition, each home in the city(state capitals/industrial) particularly must have 2 competing physical fixed line networks available. TM HSBB shouldn't be allowed to be the only provider. They're getting too cocky with their infra., if TNB's open network run alongside their HSBB, only then they'll wake up.

All HSBB wholesale leasing players should be given equal treatment when comes to port QoS. Why are competing ISPs getting their fibre modems/ONTs capped exactly as their package speeds giving them less with overheads while TM unfairly caps their own Unifi ports higher to absorb the overheads?

Why are the competing ISPs not looking into this and sue TM for takeing advantage of their monopoly?

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post Oct 29 2019, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(arturo_bandini @ Oct 29 2019, 09:01 PM)
no, simply no. if tm does that, celcom/maxis/etc will happily take them to court & win millions (MCMC can also charge millions in fines). such a practice is very very very easy to verify / prove in a court of law.
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Yes they're indeed doing it. Several forum posters have also confirmed it.

When you subscribe to Maxis/Celcom 30M or 100M plans you'll never get the full speed for what you've subscribed because of the overheads involed with packet headers/as such.

30M plans you'll get roughly 28M on speedtests even with local ones.
100M you'll only get around 97mbps with local servers in house.

Why because TM purposely cap your ONT(fibre modem) port to exact your package speed if you decide to choose Maxis/Celcom Home Fibre on their HSBB network.
The case is otherwise for Unifi. They cap your ONT higher like somewhere 35/40M and 120M respectively so you'll always get some leaks very slightly higher than what you subscribed.

30M and 100M is peanuts with what GPON can offer. It's intentional.
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post Oct 30 2019, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(arturo_bandini @ Oct 30 2019, 12:53 PM)
next time you meet with a celcom/maxis installer you can ask them yourself. before accepting the installation, a speedtest needs to be performed between your home and a machine in celcom/maxis network (ideally at the boundary between tm & celcom/maxis) and the result must be within spec (as agreed between them). any slowdown after that, due to overheads or whatever, is caused by celcom/maxis network itself.

not sure if what you said is true about tm setting their own customer speeds higher than the speed they offer on paper. if true, then it's to the credit of tm. it's like selling a buffet package for 100 persons, but preparing food for 120 persons. but the competitors are selling same buffet for 100 persons, but prepare ngam ngam food for 100 persons.
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Yes, the Celcom/Maxis installer who did my house also confirmed this, when asked why the speedtest for 30M and 100M always yielded less by few mbps, they say what to do TM capped the ONT which they supplied exactly as the package speed.

30M speedtest max 28M
100M speedtest max 97M

This should not be a credit to TM. Our government subsidized their HSBB network hoping that every ISP player that uses it enjoys fair for all wholesale access with equal wholesale rates.
If they manipulate the national HSBB network to their own benefit and give advantage to their own ISP Unifi, then TM wholesale is misusing power on their part to monopolize a so called nationwide open network supposedly funded partially by our government.
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post Oct 30 2019, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(arturo_bandini @ Oct 30 2019, 03:06 PM)
another misguided soul. do you know how much tm spent for fiber vs how much govt subsidized them? google around, and you'll understand why the new govt has finally decided not to press tm too much (i.e. the percentage of subsidy is quite negligible, at least not enough to warrant for the govt to order tm around ~as if the network belongs to them~).
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HSBB Phase 1 is a 10-year project (started in July 2008) to expand broadband penetration in Malaysia.

“TM and the government have invested RM9.2 billion, of which RM2.4 (26% of total) was given as a grant to TM,” she said.

Both the government and TM will also share the cost of HSBB Phase 2 and SUBB projects, which require an investment of RM3.4 billion over a 10-year period.

“TM will invest RM1.3 billion (72%) and the government will invest RM500 million (28%) of the total RM1.8 billion HSBB Phase 2 project cost, while TM will invest RM1 billion (63%) out of the RM1.6 billion SUBB project.

Phase 1 HSBB: RM2.4B out of RM9.2B
Phase 2 HSBB: RM0.5B out of RM1.8B

http://epaper.mmail.com.my/2016/11/01/cred...oadband-prices/

This is via public funds for a "supposed" open network with equal access to all ISP players via universal grant.

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post Oct 30 2019, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 30 2019, 03:10 PM)
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Not true(bolded statement). Before HSBB in 2010, TM, a GLC owned by Khazanah Nasional, already had a monopoly over the government-subsidized Copper-cable network for fixed telephone(from 1957 onward) and Internet(= dialup in the 1990s and ADSL Streamyx in the 2000s) services. There was no such Copper network services from Maxis, Celcom or Time.

With TM's HSBB Fiber network monopoly from 2010 onward, the BN government decided in the mid-2010s to allow BN cronies to have a piece of TM's Unifi Fiber Internet  pie, ie Maxis Fiber in landed properties and Time Fiber in high-rise properties. Similarly, only mobile telcos which were BN cronies could buy Copper or Fiber Internet data from TM, ie for 3G and 4G mobile data services.

Celcom Axiata is also owned by Khazanah. Celcom Fiber = TM Unifi Fiber.

With the change in government from BN to PH in 2018, the telco scene has also changed.
....... The PH government has done good by bringing down the prices of TM's Internet plans by at least one third since 2019.
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TNB will be in the better financial position to run a true open fibre network in Peninsular Malaysia. They have abundance of dark fibre laid alongside their power cabling for leasing and their yearly financial results is much better. TNB is also neutral because they don't run their own consumer ISP like TM Wholesale which runs Unifi.
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post Nov 1 2019, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 30 2019, 04:54 PM)
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By your logic, TNB should also be compelled by the government to share its monopoly with private companies like ??? Maxis Energy, Time Energy, etc and then give up its monoply to  let impartial TM manage this electrical supply monopoly.

When it comes to basic essential services, it is better for them to be under government monopoly and control.
....... USA has completely privatized fixed and mobile Internet services and this only resulted in high prices for the people - likely caused by business cartel price manipulation. The US people could not vote out these cut-throat ISP companies like Comcast and Verizon.

Maybe the government should also privatise governance to private companies, ie CEOs become Menteris. *sarcasm*
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Your understanding of an open access wholesale model is little. TNB is just as "privatized" as TM is today.
The big difference is one is not also in the consumer ISP business but the latter is which clashes with the government intention to provide universal fair wholesale to other ISPs.

You can't be allowing Bernas to directly sell rice to consumers directly competing with other smaller companies who also are household brands.
They'll outprice the competition and monopolize the entire market pricing their own brand way cheaper than the rest since they're the wholesaler themselves.

 

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