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post Nov 12 2019, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Nov 12 2019, 03:12 PM)
FIL should have married the 1st wife. She is the one who really loves him.
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He should have stuck with her but as they say hindsight is always 20/20.

Unfortunately the real mistake in his life was his chauvinism and ego. That's the real reason why all his businesses and family fortune has since gone with the wind. Own daughter intelligent enough to have a LL.B Uni of London 1st, 2 LSE Masters and clearly more than capable to help run a business, they handpick his 2nd brother's son to take on the helm and sidelined her.

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 12 2019, 03:49 PM)
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Yes, agree. This is proven by the 1st wife agreeing to loan her ex-husband/BillCollector's ex-FIL her life savings of RM210k to divorce BillCollector's MIL, so that she can get back with him = her 1st love.

Only an immoral and greedy woman would commit adultery and "steal" another woman's rich husband.(= broke the Ten Commandments)
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You conveniently missed out 1 thing, the 1st wife only agreed to give him her lifetime savings because he agreed to put her name on the title of the house that they are now living in. If my MIL wanted to be nasty she could claim part of that house too as it was bought during their marriage or use it as a basis for monthly alimony payments. Also she will most likely get all of it back in the event that other condo does sell.....though I won't hold my breath on it selling anytime soon unless sold very cheap which he isn't willing else I'd have bought it off him.

QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 12 2019, 04:03 PM)
FIL was enticed by a beauty queen. The forbidden fruit is always sweeter. One has money, the other has beauty ... a good clap.

All women have 1 UNBREAKABLE rule about husband...

"You can do anything before me, but once you are mine, make sure you stick it inside me ONLY"

That how 1st wife divorce FIL.
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Haha... yes and that is especially applicable to where you stick your money at too smile.gif

QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Nov 12 2019, 04:18 PM)
1st wife never divorced FIL. They were never legally married.
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He was legally married to the 1st wife and was the one that initiated the divorce. Said it was something to do with her not wanting any more children after the 3rd as it was a difficult birth. That's when he started pursuing my MIL.


QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 12 2019, 10:48 PM)
It doesnt matter who initiate the separation then.
Why didnt 1st wife use her life savings to help FIL to buy name right?

As said earlier, this is a small matter and it revolve around 1st wife family only. If FIL had handled it well, this mess would not have come up.

Speculation ...
This could be the big idea of the 1st wife. Plan went haywire. Then 1st wife initiate buy back husband from MIL.
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Why the 1st wife didn't give money for the name right? Simple, she did not give a flying toss about it therefore she wasn't wasting her savings on something of that nature.

He claims the reason she took him back was more along the lines that her children said their father was in trouble and was being mistreated by the family. Said she cared enough to get him out of the mess. I did tell him don't count on my MIL ever doing that for him.
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post Nov 12 2019, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Nov 12 2019, 10:27 PM)
TS FIL die also want face.
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Oh yes, chauvinism, ego and face are inseparable with that man.
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post Nov 13 2019, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 13 2019, 09:32 AM)
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The daughter of the 1st wife offering to sell her baby-foetus-boy's birth-surname-right to your FIL for RM300k could have been a ruse to breakup the marriage of your FIL and MIL, so that the 1st wife could win back your FIL to her side. Team B were betting on the greed and selfishness of your MIL and her Team A to accomplish your MIL's downfall, ie your MIL finally lost her husband of 40 years to the 1st wife.
....... That was why the 1st wife and Team B were willing to take your FIL in, care for him and gave him RM210k, the 1st wife's life savings, to get rid of your MIL and her Team A.

Come Chinese New Year and QingMing in 2020, where will your MIL and her Team A be going.?
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You did get me curious there. In previous years for CNY I usually booked myself an air ticket to some European country or volunteered to be working during that time. Was wondering if this year wife would tolerate that.

I decided to ask her if she'd be interested to join me on a holiday to Italy this year, she said CNY this year she will be hosting the reunion dinner at our house, told me the only plan I should be having is to be at home. I asked her her father how, she asked me what about him, he has disowned them so she doesn't care what happens to him and swore she would chase him out with a broom if he dared show up at our house. Said she will invite 2 of her aunts and one uncle to join the reunion dinner and said she will make it to be a very happy one without him. MIL said yes to her plan.

QingMing? Every year 2 weeks before I will borrow a pickup, a power washer and an IBC water tank to clean the tomb stones of my mother's side grandfather and grandmother. Then I place flowers on their tomb stone. Been doing that for the last 11 years and no one knew who was it that cleaned the tomb stones up until 3 years ago one of my cousins saw me. Since then I also place a Union Jack flag on their graves as well. Oh yes, and I do fix all the cracks as well.

As for her grandparents, they are buried at the same cemetery as my grandparents. They both share the same birthday. Since 8 years ago I also would clean their tombstones when I cleaned my own grandparents' ones. I just clean it and that's the end of it till 2 years ago I would bring our son and had a special T-shirt printed for him with their family name on it. I get him to pray for them symbolically and yes she will always claim that she was the one that cleaned it.

However we do honor her grandparents slightly differently and they both have the same birthday, every year the company I own holds its annual dinner on his birthday. It pays homage to him as the founder of the company and the one that started what was once a very good factory. During the years it did not have any of the founding family members we had the tradition that the youngest single female in the office will cut the cake for him. Then 3 years ago my SIL started working in the company and she was the one that cut it. Now my wife and SIL jointly cuts the cake.
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post Nov 13 2019, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 13 2019, 07:05 AM)
FIL could have make a deal with 1st wife by asking for her savings in exchange for share on the property. With that, he could have bought the name right and the money goes towards her pregnant daughter instead of MIL. Now, half share gone, no name right and no money.

As said earlier, FIL is assets rich and could have easily solved the problem.

What a no brainer ... fighting for something which is not within his means to have it eventhough legally half is his. Expect to be handed on a golden plate, according to some replies. Ego is the word.

Looking back on past replies, sometimes some people solve problems using emotions rather than 'logic'. In a 'war', it doesnt matter right or wrong, ultimate is win. Others can cursed and sweared, but 'me' matters.

A good read for 2019.
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Oh well, he only has himself and his ego to blame.

You'd be surprised but earlier I had a conversation with him and he is still under the illusion that he won and won big against the MIL because he cornered her into not being able to claim any further alimony from him and the all important any assets from his company that is now dormant which does own some land most of it are difficult to sell or develop.



QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 13 2019, 09:41 AM)
MONEY > FIL

In 'war',  who cares what happens after the great fight.

Love cannot germinate on water and sushine.
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Neither cares about the other now that the war is over. MIL thinks she has won the entire war because the children are still on her side and she retained what she wanted.

I guess it is a situation where it is better now than later I suppose?

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post Nov 14 2019, 01:01 AM

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Well it appears Team B isn't quite as hot on him as we were under the impression and their decisions aren't as unanimous as we are under the impression off either. Earlier this evening the eldest of Team B contacted me to ask for a return of all their mother's savings.

-Claims there wasn't any deals made.
-The 2nd went to the bank to organize a FD and discovered their mother's account to be near 0.
-They asked their mother what happened and she told them she gave their father money to invest in his own company so he had money to get started with developing the last piece of land he still owns. Said once the land was developed and sold he would give her an extra RM400,000
-When I told her of what he said to me, she said there was no such deal about putting her mother's name on the house title, she said they been trying to get the title from him for the last 30 years so they could get a mortgage to fix the house but he always told them the house was purchased using his father's money therefore they could live there but cannot own it. They are totally unaware he has another condo or another daughter.
-I told her that her mother was too gullible to believe he could turn RM210,000 into RM610,000 and told her if that was indeed the case my MIL would have gladly allowed her condo to be mortgaged to give him that amount of money, told her heck I would have given it to him and told him I would just take RM200,000 no need RM400,000 and I told them we took RM210,000 from him we have no idea where the other RM520,000 he took from her went to as they had to ask him.
-Said the 2nd and youngest sister are very angry at him and want to kick him out of the house, told me I better give them back the money as she couldn't do anything if they kicked him out of the house and she would have no choice but to send him back to us. I told her he would kick them 2 out of the house first before they kicked him out especially now that he can't get the baby's surname to follow his own. Claimed it wasn't an issue if he kicked them as they would take their mother to go live at their own house.
-She asked about his land, I told her I was not at liberty to reveal and they had to ask him, seems he had taken her car and disappeared somewhere. I told her most likely gone to Genting.
-She said she wanted to send him back to the MIL's house and for us to deal with him. I told her he and my MIL are divorcing, she now has no home to take him back as she no longer lives on her own so if they want to kick him out he will be a homeless old man.

I told MIL + wife + SIL that there was an update on him, MIL said she not interested to know and said she is only interested in being a mother to her children and grandmother to her grandchildren. Wife and SIL wanted to know everything, after hearing everything wife said he will not be allowed to enter our house. SIL was disappointed to hear her father had become a scammer and said she found it embarrassing that she has a father like him as well as difficult to find it in her to forgive him. Poor girl... it is really affecting her.


QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 13 2019, 08:16 PM)
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Only Chinese sons can carry on Chinese culture and traditions like ancestor worship, not Chinese daughters. Eg during a traditional Chinese funeral, only the eldest male descendant can carry the photo of the deceased ancestor for the funeral procession for burial or cremation, ie not a female descendant.

Of course, if Team A adopts your Christian-based Western culture and forego Chinese culture, then problem solved.[/i]
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This won't be the first time they are having reunion CNY dinner without him.

Happened twice in the last 12 years. Both times I wasn't present because I used both occasions to disappear abroad (for work purposes)

Oh well either way they don't give that much of a toss for culture especially anything that has an element of male dominance to it.


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post Nov 14 2019, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Nov 14 2019, 08:36 AM)
I think can sell this story for a Cantonese soap opera!

I feel bad for the 1st wife. She gave him her money under false pretenses on his part. He scammed her after she took him in. FIL is irresponsible and makes use of others to solve his problem.

I doubt MIL is going to give the money back. She probably hates the 1st wife's guts.
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Yes, that was sly and slimy of him to con her out of her money that way especially after all the good things they had done for him.

But then it does not surprise me that he had done it, he has long made use of people or found ways and means to manipulate people to solve his shit.

MIL not interested in hearing where or how he got the money, all she knows is the money is better in her pocket than in his.
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post Nov 15 2019, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 14 2019, 09:45 AM)
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Wow.! ... The 1st wife had RM730k in FD savings. No wonder your ex-FIL went back to her, ie for her money.

So, the sale of Team B's birth-surname-right for RM300k to youe ex-FIL was likely a ruse, to break up the marriage of your ex-FIL and MIL and reunite their mother/1st-wife with your ex-FIL. Now the daughters of Team B regret taking your ex-FIL back because he has "scammed" their mother's RM520k(the RM210k was needed to get rid of your MIL). Team B are stuck with your ex-FIL, for good or for bad.
....... Sometimes, being rich can make a person over-confident. "A rich mind is the devil's playground". "Manusia boleh merancang tetapi Tuhan yang menentukan."

Please update us on what your ex-FIL is doing with the RM520k, the sale of his mistress's condo, Team B and Team A, ie the post-divorce situation.

Seems like now BillCollector has become the "Chinese patriarch" of Team A.  biggrin.gif
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Please stick to the topic as this isn't /k.

Just a slight correction there, even with their divorce he remains my FIL, he will be my ex-FIL again if my wife and me divorces. Not sure if it applies if he disowns her too since nowhere in this world there are actually legal provisions to disown children.

It does not surprise me she has that much in savings, her late father operated a petrol station and it was left to her and her 4 brothers. It was only shut down 4 years ago due to road expansion.

Not sure if he knew she had money or only knew he had money after he started living in her house.

I had a call and meeting with him this evening. Unfortunately wife said all the matters pertaining to the divorce had been agreed and he has already paid therefore there was nothing further to discuss with him unless she was also present.

We met at a Starbucks, straight away he asked why the wife followed me, said he wanted to talk business. Conversation then went along the lines :-

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post Nov 15 2019, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(jojolicia @ Nov 14 2019, 02:34 PM)
Finally done 7pgs over lunch.

One thing I don't understand, why would the FIL offer 210k and gave up 50% share of the condo to TS's MIL, if FIL intends to cheat.

FIL can just pocket all 730k from his swing at 1st wife, full stop. Further retain his 50% share of the condo thru divorce division, right?
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One thing to note, divorce laws in Malaysia aren't as clear cut as it appears to be as the Acts that govern it are very open ended and intentionally vague. Either a sympathetic judge or a very good lawyer could skew the outcome in either direction.

It would not have been as easy as it appears for him to claim 50% of the condo. My MIL had full proof she "paid" for that condo on her own effort. This is especially so when taking into consideration he has 2 other properties.

Real reason he wanted her gone isn't anything to do with the birth-right name, nothing to do with the 3 real estates involved or Team A or Team B.

The real reason he wanted her gone and gladly paid her off? They were already having issues even prior to the start of the last round of fights. The last round wasn't even the catalyst but more of the last straw. He finally needed her gone because he had that deal under his sleeve. He needed a quick way for her to resign as a director of the company thus relinquishing her 30% share. He owned 50% while his 2 brothers and 3 nephews owned the remaining. If the project is successful and he sells every single house in the next 3 years, his share of the profits at 80% is RM5,000,000 and that means a whooping RM1,850,000 he doesn't need to share with her. RM210,000 is peanuts by comparison.


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post Nov 15 2019, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 15 2019, 11:57 AM)
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So, you were wrong to assume that your (ex-)FIL took the RM520k and went to Genting with Team B-daughter's car.

What happens if your MIL remarry a new husband.? Who will be your "real" FIL.?

I think it is not a good idea for you to get involved in your FIL's inadequately-funded housing project, especially if it is not located in an ideal location. If things go south, it will not be easy for you to evict Team B from the terrace house.
....... Your FIL should just sell the land to an established well-funded housing developer for a small profit, instead of desiring for a RM5 million profit.
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No idea if he did go to Genting, maybe not yet?? But he is pottering about in her car.

MIL remarries?? The one with more to give can be my real FIL smile.gif If neither has anything to give then status quo remains.
However for my wife, she only recognizes my father as her FIL. She calls him dad when speaking to him. As for the stepfather, I told her to address him by his surname (without any Mr prefix) the same way I call him.

That land is located in Rawang area, a big part of it are affordable housing. Most of will be sold below RM350,000 for a single storey terrace, even in the slow market it should sell.

It will be fairly well funded if he has the RM2,000,000 in hand and a bridging loan, in fact he only needs to sell around 40% of the project to break even. Think he knows it better than us since he been doing it for 20 years.

A developer never sells his land the same way a car manufacturer never sells its supply of steel.

anyway am not going to create trouble for myself by helping him on this though it is quite tempting.
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post Nov 15 2019, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 15 2019, 04:16 PM)
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With this kind of history ( https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-hulu-selangor/ - Abandoned projects cry for attention in Hulu Selangor - 2017) behind housing projects in Rawang, many housebuyers are wary of buying such new 'sell-and-build' houses in Rawang which can be similarly abandoned by the housing developers, eg if a world recession suddenly hits in 2020 or 2021= many housebuyers prefer to buy already-completed new houses or 2nd-hand houses even though they have to pay a bit more = "pound wise, penny foolish." = safer to lose RM30k than losing RM300k if a housing project suddenly gets abandoned for whatever reason.

What happens if your FIL could only sell 30% of the housing project.? Without sufficient funds for holding costs, he will likely be forced to abandon the project.

"Beggars can't be choosers" - this aptly describes your FIL's present financial situation = he is in no position to be a capable housing developer like he was 20 years ago = he should just sell the land for a small profit to a capable and well-funded housing developer.
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None of my business smile.gif

His money (or should I say his borrowed money) and his properties, not my business to prevent him from doing something if in his wisdom he sees a potential in it.

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post Nov 16 2019, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 15 2019, 04:19 PM)
Apply for consultant position.
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He won't get hired because my FIL is only interested in "yes man" not any other types of people.
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post Nov 16 2019, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Nov 15 2019, 08:22 AM)
TS, your wife really talks like she owns you. I hope it's not true.
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When she is angry she has a tendency to let her possessive nature take over.
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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 16 2019, 12:25 PM)
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Please stay on topic.

There are reason why many churches in America and Europe are becoming cinemas, clubs or demolished, it is archaic views such as that.

Let me tell you, in my household we are proud to be of a British heritage first. In modern Britain today equality in the household is an important value.
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An update to those following this :-

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post Nov 26 2019, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 25 2019, 03:43 PM)
Leave him alone and let him have peace within him. In the quiet moment, he can also reflect his past actions.
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Well that is part of the plan also is to let him rest.

QUOTE(V429 @ Nov 25 2019, 04:05 PM)
I was thinking sooner or later Team B will realise their mistake of believing your FIL's get rich quick scheme and for taking him in, but I didn't expect it happen this fast. Just wow...

What will happen to your FIL now? will his nephew and brother take care of him moving forward? Do you plan to inform Team A?
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The nephew and brother don't have the means to take care of him as he will need nursing care moving forward but they don't have the financial means to afford the care.

Team A and Team B were informed by me. I also informed the lone member of Team C.

QUOTE(KennyKB @ Nov 25 2019, 04:41 PM)
FIL's stroke is due to being abandoned by both wives. My uncle had a serious stroke after he was conned of RM25K of his retirement fund. Mind and body are two sides of the same coin.
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Probably more than just that.

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 25 2019, 04:55 PM)
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So, you were wrong to assume that your FIL would take the 1st wife's RM512k to Genting. Your FIL was not as bad as you think.

Stroke or brain haemorrhage is different from heart attack. Stroke happens when the tinier blood vessels or capillaries in the brain burst, probably due to sudden extreme stress or worries = part of the brain is damaged and dies = paralysis. 
....... The failure of his last ditch housing development plan to resurrect his wealthy status plus his 1st wife leaving him were probably too much for his old blood vessels to bear = double-whammy. Like a chess game, your lawless FIL made a few final wrong moves in life and got check-mated for life.
....... This also proves that men should really retire at 60 years old and be fully-prepared, especially financially = avoid any stressful activity like concocting money scams, divorce, get new younger wife/gf, have kids, start new money-making ventures, move house, take in new tenants, quarrel, sue in court, etc.

The 1st wife probably left him because she was very angry that he used her RM210k(without her permission) to pay off your MIL  for the divorce. With your FIL in such a bad physical condition, will the divorce betwen your FIL and MIL go through.?

Will your FIL still get a grandson to follow his surname before or after he dies, maybe on compassionate grounds.?

What a sad end to this /k-drama about an idol-worshipping and lawless old Chinese man and his 3 "wives".

"Manusia boleh merancang tapi Tuhan yang menentukan."
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P S - Go buy garlic/stink-cancelling nosebuds to add to your Mandarin/noise-cancelling earbuds.  biggrin.gif
Are you wearing rose-tinted  (= unpleasant sight-cancelling) glasses as well.?

Thanks for the update.
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I did not expect him to return the money to his 1st wife. It was certainly a surprise to me when I was informed by Team B that they received the money and wanted nothing further with him.

Am uncertain what's the actual reason the 1st wife left him, Team B doesn't let their mother speak to me. The lone member of Team C did not want to know anything.

Regarding the divorce, according to our lawyer he did visit and asked to prepare a letter granting me power of attorney in the event something did happen to him on all his affairs. Seems he did know something was about to happen to him I guess?
MIL and Team A are insistent on going through with it. I'm trying to convince the MIL not to trample over a fallen man. She said she had taken settlement money then must go ahead with it.

Get a grandson with his surname? When we reconciled I did tell her if we have a son and she wanted him to follow her family name then I won't have any objections. Wife is still cold against her father therefore is unlikely to allow it. MIL is against it. However it will cost him more than RM300,000 as if one of the babies in her is a son, he would have 2 highly educated parents, will have a high standard of living and will have the privilege of being part English smile.gif

I haven't found that Mandarin cancelling earbuds yet but will definitely be needing them very soon.
Nosebuds? That would be an excellent idea but all I need is a better kitchen hood, we have one but am not allowed to mount it as it requires drilling.


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post Nov 27 2019, 01:54 AM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Nov 26 2019, 07:21 AM)
MIL could donate back the money FIL gave her for his nursing care. Even if she doesn't care about him it's for her own peace of mind.
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MIL has decided she will pay for his medical bills till he is discharged and will pay to get his nursing care started, any money left over she will return it to the old lady off Team B.

QUOTE(V429 @ Nov 26 2019, 08:57 AM)
Didn't realise Team C is involved or at least kept in the loop. Anyhow, agree with mini orchard, hope your FIL finds some peace and quiet, and also slowly reflect on the past.
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His nephew had the contact number for the lone girl in Team C, I met up with her earlier as we had to discuss about the condo as we are thinking of placing him there and hiring a carer for him instead of sending him to a nursing home, then the Team B's house will be rented out to pay for the carer. She is just a 20 year old girl, looks a lot like the SIL. She had zero interest in her biological father and didn't have much to say about him and wasn't interested in seeing him, mostly said if we wanted to take back to the condo then take it as both she and her mother had not been there for a long time and they didn't need his money.

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 26 2019, 11:13 AM)

Conclusion: ... Chinese culture, tradition and beliefs are mostly not good.
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My daughter definitely agrees with you on this smile.gif

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 26 2019, 12:26 PM)
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If only your wife had gotten pregnant earlier, ie a few months before Aug 2019, confirmed boy/s and you informed your FIL about your above decision, things would have turned out differently for your FIL and MIL.
....... All your FIL's offerings to his ancestors/gods/idols, good feng-shui, ang-pows, fatt-fatt-fatt/888 car number plates and good fortune CNY greetings did not work.

It's best for people to depend on good-doing and law-abidingness for contentment, good fortune and long life on earth - cf; those arrested and convicted law-breakers suffering months/years in jail or awaiting the death penalty.
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We were in the midst of a major war between early feb and early august, we did have a small break in April for 3 weeks where she did get pregnant but she miscarried and then the war resumed. It was only in August we reconciled.

Well he also destroyed a lot of good FS by selling off stuff he shouldn't have sold.

He has had cars with 8, 88, 118, 988, 1288 and 1688, not sure why he used other numbers when the family number was 1318 which his father's car used to have. Now our Mini uses the same number as well but our Kia doesn't as we bought it 2nd hand.
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post Nov 27 2019, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 27 2019, 08:56 AM)
Looks like your MIL's heart has softened towards your poor FIL. Does this mean MIL is about to reconcile with FIL on compassionate grounds.?
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She is torn between who to least offend, on one hand she has a son in law that holds a high standard of American and British standard of ethics, integrity and humanity whom she knows won't tolerate her trampling upon a fallen man.

On the other hand she has to also be aware of the feelings of her eldest daughter that still hates the father. She is afraid of being thrown out of the house and need to fend for herself at a time where she has no income just yet and the daughter has no qualms using her control of purse strings to get her way.

Doubt she would reconcile with him as at this moment she has decided she only wants to be a good grandmother to her 2 grandchildren and the 2 that are on the way.

QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 27 2019, 08:56 AM)

He had to sell off the old stuffs because the good FS and lucky car number plates did not work in his businesses and family affairs. If they did work, he would not have needed to sell them off. "Chicken vs egg, which came first.?"
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Why it didn't work for him?

Here was the reality of the situation.

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 27 2019, 08:56 AM)

Modern(= since the 1960s) liberal Western culture of sexual immorality and fierce feminism ain't much better than Chinese culture, eg fierce feminist wives and high divorce rates, rebellious kids, rampant LGBTQism and AIDS/HIV/STD.
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You do realize that in fiercely feminist Scandinavia you have less a chance to contract HIV/AIDS than you do in any Chinese majority countries?

If I could turn back time, I would pick that Swedish friend of hers' that I wanted to shag that nite when I met her. Oh well... things do happen for a reason I suppose?
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post Nov 28 2019, 03:02 AM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Nov 27 2019, 08:50 PM)
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Why your wife no SPM.? Shouldn't she have known that SPM was required for all government sanctioned jobs in Malaysia, eg doctors.? If she had passed the English IELTS, would ahe have become a lawyer in England or in Malaysia.?

Seems, your wife's badly-planned studies and sulking had something to do with your FIL losing his good FS house.

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How did she badly plan her studies? Just about everything about her education was decided by her father including the decision not to take the SPM and to just concentrate on the UEC. Oh well, it was never really in his intention that she'd work outside of the family business anyway so paper qualifications meant very little to him. Come to think of it there wasn't much aspects of her life that he did not try to plan for her including who she was supposed to have as her husband laugh.gif

If she had passed the Bar exam in England, she would have qualified to be a lawyer in both Britain and Malaysia though most likely not in Britain as I doubt any barrister would have given her pupillage.

He did not lose the good FS house because of her, he lost the house because of his greed for easy money.
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post Nov 28 2019, 12:21 PM

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If everything about your wife's education was decided by your FIL and he intended your wife(= his daughter) to work in the family business, he would not have needed to mortgage his good FS house to sent her to Britain for further studies because he did not need her to be a real practising lawyer.  Likely, your wife wanted to be a real practising lawyer, eg to show off to her friends/peers, hence her sulking and cold war towards her father to get what she wanted. I believe your FIL had also spoiled his eldest daughter by submitting to her desires/tantrums = he had to mortgage the house due to lack of cash.

Your wife should have been more considerate of her father, ie not caused her father to have to mortgage his good FS house for her further education. Unfortunately, spoiled brats are mostly inconsiderate and selfish.
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He did not mortgage the house for her alone and that wasn’t the only house he mortgaged to prop up his easy and quick money businesses. He and his brothers lost more than just that 1 property their father gave to them.

I say good thing she sulked and fought for an education as either way the money would be down the drain. Good thing she had a career outside of her father’s businesses else the situation with her won’t be too different from many of her cousins who worked for the family businesses and mostly can’t make it in the outside world.

He never spoiled or pampered her , he preferred pampering the women that would open their legs for him.
Actually the one that does spoil and pamper her is none other than me. Even the old man believes so.




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post Nov 29 2019, 02:25 AM

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The 2 statements above by your FS master seem contradictory. The former house was owned and lived in by your FIL's father and the latter house was bought by the old man for your FIL to live in. The former FS was transferable to you but the latter FS was not transferable to you. ???
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It is 2 different houses at 2 different locations.

Some good FS houses will transfer to whoever that owns it and or lives in it. The 1st house falls into this category.

Some good FS houses will only give good FS to the ones that live in it.

Some good FS houses will only give good FS if a certain person is living in it. The current house I live in is one of those, it was bought because the FS Master said it had the perfect FS for my wife.

Some good FS houses are only good for some persons and owning it doesn't make any difference. The 2nd house I bought off my FIL is in this category...... alas demolishing it was a bad move according to the FS Master.

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In the case of TS's FIL who got paralyzed by a premature brain stroke at age 60+, it's more a matter of "karma is a bitch" or "he reaped what he had sowed". In comparison, many good and law-abiding old-aged folks remain healthy and then suddenly die peacefully in their sleep at age 90+, ie without giving trouble to their sons, grandsons and other young ones.
....... So, TS and wife should not go out of his way to be his FIL's primary caregiver = can be a very stressful and thankless job. TS can give other forms of humane assistance to his FIL, eg moral support,  legal, logistics and financial assistance. Worse come to worse, let FIL be sent to an old folk's/nursing home, either private(= about RM4k per month) or charity.
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He is 76. MIL is 58.

He will be sent to a nursing home in Rawang that cost RM2,400 per month. MIL's decision.

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