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 Arsenal Street Talk | Season 2019/20, ARS v. BOU | EPL | Arteta 1st Match!

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post Nov 25 2019, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(Thumpy Ick @ Nov 25 2019, 09:14 AM)
hahaha, ahhhh now i get it. it's probably because of my devil's advocate post before the game about "what should emery do if he wants to stay".

fair enough, i think i did hint on my opinion on emery, but i probably shouldve made it loud and clear. i'm pretty firmly in the #emeryout camp, but my anger has evolved from towards Emery, to the management. I've long since accepted Emery is a limited manager and he's not the level that we need. just imagine letting your drunk friend drive the car, then getting angry at your friend for causing an accident. you're the idiot for not taking charge and driving the car yourself. similarly, getting angry at Emery who's not a top level manager will lead us nowhere. he's not going to voluntarily leave is he? the board needs to sack him.

for me, emery out is not negotiable. no arsenal fan that actually watches games are going to argue. but since the board are not making any moves to sack him, i was wondering what would need to happen in the next 5 games in order for Emery to at least say, he deserves to stay. essentially, the core of the question was asking what is the main thing that needs to improve for us, and in my opinion it's the defensive stability. because we cant create attacks if we keep getting dispossessed playing out the back etc. i dont think attack is the main problem, because we just have guys that can score. defending, it's a team effort.
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Anyway. I apologize if this is really your opinion because I am pretty sick of flip flops. And you can pretty much see that in AFTV and also the other blogs. If those people really have a brain, they would have probably demanded that Emery leaves after Baku. But the fact that only most of them started seeing what Emery is like for the past few weeks goes to tell me that they are flip floppers and dun really have a brain. And it was a mistake that I accepted "emery" after what seems to be a ok transfer window and the fact that he did managed to get some results after that. Of course I was still Emery Out but then I was thinking maybe he could just leave after the end of the season because forcing him out would be damaging to the club since the club was still doing ok at that time and that they could probably still qualify for the champions league at that time because the players were still pretty good and I dun think you need to be a genius to lead those group of players to champions league spots.

The funny thing is people are still feeling sorry for him and say that he is a nice guy despite him getting paid 6 million pounds per year. And that for me is mind control at it's finest. I am "sorry" but most people just really cannot think. The people who we should feel sorry are those who are not earning much and yet are still fired from their jobs because of some political backstabbing. And if he is really a nice guy he should have left right now on his own because the thing is, he will not be getting much compensation anyway since he is already 18 months in a 24 months contract. Of course, I am now starting to realize that those people do not really mean what they say anyway and this is probably their avenue of making money.

The thing is, anyone who hires Emery after this round is really an idiot unless you are a semi pro side that do not play professionally. Funnily, the longer he stays, the more he is actually shooting himself in his foot. For just 3 million, he wants to damage his reputation further and tells the whole world that he is a club destroyer.

My other point is, from my observation, most people are just interested in doing their job and are not really interested in solving problems unless they really need to. Just by looking at banks, you kind of know. They could have made life very much easily by opening on say Sundays and then maybe closing their branches on a weekday. But then they dun. Ever wondered why account openings still have to be manually done at their physical bank when it can be easily done online? Even my betting account. For some reason that website is being maintained every Friday at between 2:00pm and 5:00pm. The funny thing is, this is the period of time where activity is supposed to be pretty heavy for obvious reason because most asian sporting competition are at this period of time. I can give many other examples. I would think people are not so stupid to realize all those things but then most people do not want disruptions. Of course I am deflecting from Arsenal matters but then what I am trying to imply is, it's obvious Raul does not really care for the club but rather his own interest. There is no benefit from his side to sack Emery. He probably is thinking that there ist too much trouble sacking Emery because he now have to replace Emery and there is no suitable candidates for that at the moment that is going to be cheap. Of course, the idea that replacing Emery with an interim manager does not come into his head.

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post Nov 25 2019, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(ohhisee @ Nov 25 2019, 12:54 PM)
very small chances to sign stars..they will come if we replace punai with better manager..
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Guess thats what uncle scrooge Levy had in mind when he employed Mou

Telling the stars at Totts that trying to flee to bigger club that they are a big club now by employing one of the most high profile manager around.

Probably easier to recruit transfer target too using mou as a bait
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post Nov 25 2019, 05:53 PM

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we maybe have more scoring chances with this lineup under wonga..more attacks but less or without goal hahaha

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post Nov 25 2019, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(ohhisee @ Nov 25 2019, 05:53 PM)
we maybe have more scoring chances with this lineup under wonga..more attacks but less or without goal hahaha

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Might actually beat our current squad fairly easily lul

Should throw Silvestre in as well
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post Nov 26 2019, 05:26 AM

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Good ebening. That's why strategy and planning is important. Tbh Unai's strategy is just terrible. Personally I don't know how he can't see the squads problem. He watched footages of the squads game and what not. Yet he still ask the players to play from the back where we are at our weakest instead of just lobbing the ball or whatever forward and etc.

Dude used to be very good tbh when he started his job. Despite the first two loses at the beginning of his job, we could see the squad playing really well. Think after the winning streak we had, all just fall to pieces. This season is another level of shitiness as well. We played worse, not even playing football, bad passes everywhere, allow others to shoot more than us and etc despite having control of the ball mostly. Things will just get worse at this point, I can't even see the light at the end of the tunnel.

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post Nov 26 2019, 07:38 AM

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News said board are considering punai position.
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post Nov 26 2019, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(TheRant @ Nov 25 2019, 03:16 PM)
The thing is, anyone who hires Emery after this round is really an idiot unless you are a semi pro side that do not play professionally. Funnily, the longer he stays, the more he is actually shooting himself in his foot. For just 3 million, he wants to damage his reputation further and tells the whole world that he is a club destroyer.
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no problem, it's a simple misunderstanding, pretty common on the internet. but yeah, i agree with this too, he's just damaging his own reputation. his implosion at PSG and now at Arsenal, dont really think he'll get another shot at top level management.

QUOTE(sawanishi @ Nov 26 2019, 07:38 AM)
News said board are considering punai position.
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been hearing news on Arteta too, with Pep talking about wanting Arteta by his side but wont stand in his way if he wants to go, "at the end of the season".
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Not much choices if we sack emery now:

Allegri - proven only in italian league and most experience in winning silverwares. But he had an easy job as he inherited a dominating team from conte. Now even sarri can easily win the serie A with juventus. So, not sure if he can bring Arsenal forward in the most difficult league. And he is also another gd ebening coach who cant speak english, will have communication problem with players and fans

Arteta - inexperience, i’d prefer ljungberg to takeover than get arteta as head coach

Poch - great choice but he is more likely to join bayern or man utd than arsenal

Benitez - currently struggling in chinese league, i’d prefer to give chance to ljungberg/arteta than this guy

Ljungberg - if we cant get any top class coach, then we should give him chance as interim manager and see how he perform. And hope he doesnt do a solsk.

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post Nov 26 2019, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Walaoeh! @ Nov 26 2019, 10:30 AM)
Not much choices if we sack emery now:

Allegri - proven only in italian league and most experience in winning silverwares. But he had an easy job as he inherited a dominating team from conte. Now even sarri can easily win the serie A with juventus. So, not sure if he can bring Arsenal forward in the most difficult league. And he is also another gd ebening coach who cant speak english, will have communication problem with players and fans

Arteta - inexperience, i’d prefer ljungberg to takeover than get arteta as head coach

Poch - great choice but he is more likely to join bayern or man utd than arsenal

Benitez - currently struggling in chinese league, i’d prefer to give chance to ljungberg/arteta than this guy

Ljungberg - if we cant get any top class coach, then we should give him chance as interim manager and see how he perform. And hope he doesnt do a solsk.
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Why not benitez. If he is really struggling in Chinese league, then it's a good opportunity to get him on the cheap.

Maybe china is not suitable for him but he has proven himself in England
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post Nov 26 2019, 01:42 PM

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Arteta in please

He has learn alot from Guardiola making him the best choice in the market.

If we can play the mancity way will be great
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Why Arteta is being put in such high regards, he has no experience except of working under Pep.


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QUOTE(s|dE @ Nov 26 2019, 03:29 PM)
Why Arteta is being put in such high regards, he has no experience except of working under Pep.
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Agreed. I'm not even sure if Pep himself can improve Arsenal without big spending like Barca/Bayern/Man City.


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post Nov 26 2019, 04:38 PM

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I'd bring an Arsenal man in, someone who actually knows how the club used to run. Either Arteta or Ljungberg would be a great choice. At least I think I'd watch the match again with them managing laugh.gif

Wouldn't mind Allegri but his style of play not really our style. So unless the board and fans doesn't mind that, then we could go for him
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guys how about Ancelotti? do u guys fancy him?
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post Nov 26 2019, 09:48 PM

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punai still survive tangkal apa ko pakai daaa
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post Nov 26 2019, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Jekferos @ Nov 26 2019, 09:35 PM)
guys how about Ancelotti? do u guys fancy him?
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I'd say no. He is atm in the same situation like Unai with his current club.
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post Nov 26 2019, 10:28 PM

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If can't get poch take ex player first..bring players and fans bck together as our priority.
we can always find a new coach in the summer.
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Nov 26 2019, 09:56 PM)
I'd say no. He is atm in the same situation like Unai with his current club.
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I feel like he will be good for interim manager but definitely not for a long term plan. we need someone who knows our playstyle/philosophy
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QUOTE(WhyYouSoSerious @ Nov 26 2019, 10:28 PM)
If can't get poch take ex player first..bring players and fans bck together as our priority.
we can always find a new coach in the summer.
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I second this. just let freddie take the helm for the rest of the season. couldnt be any worse than we already are
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Instead of focusing on manager why not focus on January transfer?

Defence and Midfield badly need quality signing. And whoever that mastermind the Pepe deal to waste AFC money should be sacked.

AFC do spend the money but when many of the big money signing flop like Zhaka, Mustafi, Pepe, it drags the club down as well...

It seems buying iutside the EPL represent huge risk. Might as well buying proven EPL player.

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