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post Apr 11 2022, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Apr 11 2022, 06:02 PM)
Hi Sifu TOS  notworthy.gif ,

Would like to ask you why you like MSFT , AAPL and don't like GOOG business model? How do you dissect them in detail? Need to learn more from you.
Appreciate your kind sharing.
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No lah, I am just an intermediary who transfers information from newspapers to this forum. Not really anywhere near dwRK or Ramjade's level. They are the real gurus.

As for why I like MSFT and AAPL but not GOOG. It's just my own view. You can come up with yours after studying the companies' financial statements (10-K, 10-Q etc. ) and read some newspapers too.

MSFT has a monopoly in the OS world and office suites/productivity tools and they can keep acquiring competitors or smaller firm to retain their positions. Their next breakthrough would be gaming (Xbox pass, hailed as the "Netflix" of gaming for its subscription model). (I would like to see them take down Sony and Tencent.) MSFT also has a fast growing cloud computing business, which is also highly profitable. Another thing that sets MSFT apart from other Big Tech is it's mainly a software firm, so the overhead cost is very low and they have little issues with say WFH. They can also pay very little tax by booking their profits in tax heavens (artificially inflating their prices there while lowering the prices in major markets) and/or play around with intangible capital allowance tax incentives.

For AAPL, the software side is the same as MSFT, with their iOS, App Store, iTunes, Apple TV etc. For hardware side I value their chip designers. AAPL has some of the best chip designers in the world, a key asset. Its closed i-ecosystem can keep the preying eyes of competitors out of it for as long as it likes, as long as people buy into its products' design and philosophy. AAPL used to be a high-end product, but has expanded its ecosystem to the mid-class smartphone segment in recent years to capture market share, and hence profit.

GOOG mainly relies on ads to survive. More than 90% of GOOG revenue/profit comes from advertisement, so they essentially rely on a monopoly in platform to sustain themselves. But platform, unless it's closed like AAPL's, is subject to competition with people immitating your model. This is what happened to FB with TikTok coming in and take away users' screen time. Advertisers are realistic animals. Once no one use your platform, they shift and move away. Cut-throat business to maintain a platform. GOOG made its ad money out of google search results, Youtube and Play Store apps. Youtube can see potential challenges from TikTok if they extend their video length. GOOG search engine ads and Play store ads revenue are rather stable for now, but to grab user's attention you need to pay for it. GOOG pays a lot to maintain Google as the default search engine on AAPL's devices, as you can read here:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-apple-goog...share_permalink

Just Google (no pun intended) "Google-Apple search deal" and you can find infos online. These costs are known as "traffic-acquisition cost" and are the subject of antitrust regulations back in 2020.

AAPL and MSFT don't rely on ads (and hence less need to maintain their platform) as their main revenue stream, and many of their incomes are recurrent in nature especially for MSFT, like Xbox pass and Office 365 for MSFT and iTunes/Apple TV subscription for AAPL. I personally favour these types of businesses, but it's just me.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 11 2022, 07:41 PM)
Come I answer you.
I am not a fan of apple and don't intend to even buy their stock.
If you do fundamental analysis, they are too concentrated on iPhone Vs Microsoft.

I am a big fan of both Microsoft and Google. I am invested in Google (only 1 share and I want to increase it to 5 shares before the split so that I can do covered call on it).

Later I update back here. Now busy.
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Indeed. Would be better if they can diversify their revenue stream to other software and hardware products. Was told not along ago they are planning to start offerring subscription service for iPhone itself.
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post Apr 12 2022, 12:52 PM

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Now I know where AAPL offices are in SG. smile.gif

If I understand correctly Apple books its Asia Pacific sales, revenue, and profits via SG to save on taxes.

FT 120422: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_B6G2Q4GNa...iew?usp=sharing

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post Apr 12 2022, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 12 2022, 06:52 AM)
cannot deviate too much from core strength... otherwise gg

timing is important too... remember Newton? there's also digital camera, TV, console... diversified n failled...
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lol which Newton? Never heard of such a company before. I know Nikon and Kodak...
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post Apr 12 2022, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 12 2022, 01:01 PM)
these were all apple products... lol... I so want to buy the newton last time...

go search failed apple products...
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Ah this one. Ok

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post Apr 13 2022, 12:50 PM

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post Apr 13 2022, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Apr 11 2022, 06:02 PM)
Hi Sifu TOS  notworthy.gif ,

Would like to ask you why you like MSFT , AAPL and don't like GOOG business model? How do you dissect them in detail? Need to learn more from you.
Appreciate your kind sharing.
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New arrivals in my library today (published in 2021), very relevant to your question:

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I have the PDF softcopy (you can find it online too), can't share here due to copyrights reason. (PM if you need it for self-reading.)

Written by a former Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley investment-banker-turn-professor at Columbia Business School, the book introduces "platform economics" and dissect the business models of FAANG and Microsoft (light touch).

Hope you find it interesting.

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post Apr 14 2022, 12:49 PM

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post Apr 19 2022, 02:06 PM

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FT Last Weekend (16-170422): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1acIJYYYhDn...iew?usp=sharing

FT Yesterday (180422): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YoaMvbfL4y...iew?usp=sharing

FT Today (190422): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MCIQdostrv...iew?usp=sharing

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post Apr 19 2022, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 19 2022, 02:57 PM)
Appreciate the sharing but perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to hide the image behind a spoiler tag or just link them so people who are just scrolling by get hit by a few massive file size images forcefully.
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Thanks. Will do.
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post Apr 20 2022, 10:04 AM

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I am in the midst of voting for the election of JPM's board of directors. One person that stands out is Linda B. Bammann. She worked at JPM previously and retired in 2005, then elected as director for JPM since 2013.

The proxy statement says all directors other than the CEO is independent, but it's hard to convince me that a former JPM employee is "independent". Moreover, she is the chair of the risk committee.

For some reasons (you can read in the proxy statement PDF page 24 https://www.jpmorganchase.com/content/dam/j...atement2022.pdf ), JPM says she passed NYSE's listing standards and JPM's own independence standards and she has "immaterial relationships" with JPM.

To say that a former employee has "immaterial relationships" with the firm sounds like a joke to me. Letting a former employee to chair a supposedly-independent risk committee might also present significant conflict of interest.

I wonder if the rules are too lax at NYSE/JPM? Planning to vote against her appointment to JPM board but need some opinions from others here.
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post Apr 20 2022, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 20 2022, 12:39 PM)
so she worked hard in jpm, rise up the rank until retired, later jpm invited her back as director, and continued there for past 9 years... you bought 1 share this year and thinks she is problem?...  hmm.gif  biggrin.gif

immaterial relationship just means she doesn't have a big enough vested interest that would cloud her decisions regarding the company... eg such as big chunk of jpm or competitor stocks, family members working in jpm, etc... it is obvious she is friend with jpm, nothing wrong with it... also you can excuse yourself from voting or sitting in committees that has potential for conflict of interest... this doesn't prevent a person from doing a good job elsewhere... the board has many people that can provide check n balance as well...
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Fine you got some fair points. Maybe I am too suspicious. Looking at the board consituents, some of them are clients of JPM too.

I don't doubt her professionalism as director, but still feels the labelling of "independent" doesn't quite make sense. The same can be said about Todd Combs from BRK too.

I mean you can be director, but dropping the "independent" label sounds more reasonable.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 20 2022, 01:30 PM)
independent director is a term used for directors that meet certain criteria... go read up on the types of board of directors... as opposed to non-independent directors what works for jpm or has big shares in jpm, etc....

so you are either an insider non-independent or outsider independent...
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Nestle 1Q sales results published.

https://www.nestle.com/media/mediaeventscal...ree-month-sales

Press release: https://www.nestle.com/media/pressreleases/...onth-sales-2022

(PDF version): https://www.nestle.com/sites/default/files/...-release-en.pdf

Presentation slides: https://www.nestle.com/sites/default/files/...month-sales.pdf

Conference call to begin at 2pm CEST (8 pm GMT+8): https://edge.media-server.com/mmc/go/Nestle...ThreeMonthSales

Roche and Novartis will report results next Monday and Tuesday, respectively.

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post Apr 21 2022, 08:50 PM

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Heard on the Street:

Nestlé Escapes Netflix’s Fate for Now

Strong sales show that shoppers aren’t cutting back on food, unlike more discretionary purchases such as streaming subscriptions and fashion

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nestle-escapes...share_permalink
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 22 2022, 08:54 AM)
they got lots of indulgence food... these will gets hit in a down turn... but still better than Google lah... laugh.gif
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You guys must have consumed lots of Nescafe and Maggi noodles in the past 3 months laugh.gif

In yesterday's conference call, CFO of Nestle says coffee and other products sold quite well in Malaysia, but the opposite in Phillipines.

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Yeah. And Jeremy, just to complement. So in Southeast Asia, we had low-single digit growth with robust demand, for example, for some products like Maggi and Nescafe. We have some countries that did very well and were key contributors to growth, like Malaysia and Thailand, where with a strong demand for coffee and culinary and even we launched new products like Milo Soy that resonated very strongly with consumers.

And then we have countries with totally different behaviors, the Philippines and Vietnam. We had a slight sales decrease with negative category dynamics in some categories. So it's very difficult to draw a conclusion. As you know, many of these countries are also very dependent on tourism, and they have been suffering quite a lot over the last two years as a consequence. And so we see diverse behaviors and fortune there.

We remain very positive on the outlook for these countries, and they should come back to growth as we progress over time.


You can read the full transcipt of yesterday's call here: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4502689-ne...call-transcript

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post Apr 22 2022, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Apr 22 2022, 11:38 AM)
Yes I know they have quite a bit of staple food brands... wink.gif

quite OK counter to hold during a recession imho...

Johnson n Johnson... soap n toilet paper
Nestle... food
Walmart... place to buy them

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JNJ makes medicine and medical products, not soap and toilet paper leh laugh.gif

You mean Proctor and Gamble...

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