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post Sep 17 2023, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 17 2023, 10:57 PM)
Oh wow. I tested recurring investment for USD 20 trade for LSE ETF (IUAG). The commission is only USD 0.18.
That's almost like free...
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0.18 USD / 20 USD * 100% = 0.9%

That's quite high...
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post Sep 26 2023, 01:16 PM

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Interesting article:

FT The Big Read : US Treasury bonds

The debt-fuelled bet on US Treasuries that’s scaring regulators
Policymakers are concerned about the huge leverage that hedge funds are employing as part of the so-called basis trade

by Kate Duguid, Costas Mourselas and Ortenca Aliaj (AN HOUR AGO)

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Source (with paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/a8348e2a-a90f-47...a6-8c2eb0e263c2

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post Sep 27 2023, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(labtec @ Sep 27 2023, 11:00 AM)
Good sharing now that have to move from Ameritrade SG to IBKR
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I do have to let you know that IBKR is doing "limited prop trading", which is unlike most other brokers (including TD Ameritrade).

TD Ameritrade (which promises you 0 commission etc.) route your orders to market makers like Citadel, Virtu etc. Citadel/Virtu and others are taking position against you, not TD Ameritrade.

But this is not the case with IBKR. IBKR may match your orders with other IBKR clients (which is still reasonable), or they may simply take positions against you (e.g., you submit buy order, IBKR sell to you...)

So, IBKR is no longer purely a broker, it's a prop trader, and it's trading against you.

Cheap things come at a price. There is no free lunch in the world of finance.

Just for your info.
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post Sep 27 2023, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 27 2023, 12:12 PM)
At least better than local maalaysian and local Singaporean brokerage which is not even competitive.
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Competitive as in? Yes, it's cheap, judging by fees. But you cannot just look at pricing alone. Again, no free lunch. It's cheap because they make money from you in another way: the fact that they can trade against you.

You gain on one hand, you lose on the other.

QUOTE(labtec @ Sep 27 2023, 02:36 PM)
hmm.... but as long as the trade transaction go smoothly and fast, then should be fine i think  hmm.gif
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Of course, to answer Ramjade as well, for long-term investors, the fact that they trade against you won't affect your long-term returns if you are a buy-and-hold investors. But prop trading introduces unnecessary risks. IBKR is not just facilitating the game, it's playing it. Your "broker" could have just charged a fixed commission and earn from both buyer/seller in a typical stock/options trade.

But now, because of greed, they venture further. If they make money by fronting your trade, for instance, the broker will survive, but if they take opposite bets against you and the market sentiment turns yet they have positions which they could not unwind in a short period of time, they will fail. (Then of course, you will claim SIPC can step in... ok this moral hazard part... I cannot argue...)

In short, prop trading destabilizes the broker's finances. You make money in a bull market, like everyone does. When tail risk sets in, it's whole another story. (Citadel, Virtu etc., being market makers, are a different beast.)

I am not saying that there are serious problems with IBKR, but as its users, you gotta know what's going on behind the scene.

It's good to have a second brokerage account to standby, just in case. E.g., I have DBS Vickers + FSM SG, both linked to my CDP account in Spore. Those who can't open a CDP account can have open other brokerage accounts to standby.

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post Sep 27 2023, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 27 2023, 05:54 PM)
Access to so many markets. Wholesale exchange rate and only usd2.00 per conversion of foreign currency Tell me one broker that offer the above.

All kind of fees. Look at how much they local brokerage charge Vs western brokerage. Let's not forget markup foreign exchange fees quarterly platform fees, dividend fees. If you like paying fees to your brokerage by all means go ahead. Make your broker and they thank you for it. My sg brokerage all empty and transfer over to interactive broker. I don't hold any reits any more especially no dividend growth but rather dividend cuts.

If you know how ibkr operate you will feel really safe with them. Especially if you how kiasu they are. Almost Chinaman like.
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You may not know how much effort they spent on lobbying Washington DC politicians to relax regulations to protect retail investors otherwise...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Peterf...political_views

Anyway, I think my points are well conveyed above. It's up to the readers to make their own judgement and interpretations.

As a matter of fact, I am counting on SIPC as well... so... all my Spore brokerage accounts are empty. laugh.gif
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post Sep 27 2023, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(labtec @ Sep 27 2023, 06:24 PM)
Ah, so this is the risk the customer would have, worst case gg like hedge fund shorting GameStop
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Yea, worst case. The lucky thing is so far it's "limited" prop trading. (My HKUST finance prof told me CICC HK is doing it as well, and regulators "close one eye").

To quote Charles Prince of Citi... https://www.reuters.com/article/financial-c...819810820100408

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As long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance,” he said. “We’re still dancing.


How much positions are IBKR taking against you, and how much risk are they bearing, that's not publicly disclosed. Not sure if you can guestimate the numbers from their financial statements though... this one need to consult... ikanbilis laugh.gif
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post Sep 27 2023, 10:02 PM

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TDA's withdrawal is good business for IBKR... anyway...

FT UK financial regulation

UK regulator to launch review of private market valuations
Financial Conduct Authority will examine ‘disciplines and governance’ as concerns over potential blow-ups increase

by Laura Noonan in Dublin (4 HOURS AGO)

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Source (with paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/ee008ac7-2f0f-4b...16-0e2ec00e8c26

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FT Opinion | Lex

Private equity: financial engineering prevents valuation check
The sector finds continuous ways to bypass the issue of true price discovery and keep their fee stream running

SEPTEMBER 21 2023

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Source (with paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/d6891146-f8ff-4c...e3-739e7793d0e4

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post Sep 28 2023, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(james.6831 @ Sep 28 2023, 10:52 AM)
do any of you guys buy short term treasury etf? how does it work ah? the chart confuses me tbh (using sgov as an example...)
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Yes, I do. BIL ETF is the preferred one due to its high liquidity, though cost-wise it's not the best.

It works like this:

1. ETF buy US T-bills/T-notes/T-bonds with your money (either from primary market or secondary market).
2. US Treasury will refund the ETF the "discount".
3. Upon maturity 1-3 months later, the principal is returned to you as well.
4. The ETF will rollover the money by reinvesting the "discount" and principal into future/other issuance of T-bills/T-notes/T-bonds with maturities of 1-3 months.

The chart is confusing because the ETF makes a monthly distribution/"dividends" to ETF holders, so on ex-date, the new ETF holders are not entitled to the said distributions, and so the unit price will decline accordingly. But cash-flow wise, you get a return close to what a risk-free 1-3 month T-bill offers you.

It's the IRR which matters to you eventually.

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post Sep 28 2023, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(james.6831 @ Sep 28 2023, 02:48 PM)
Ahhh ok that makes sense. So if i were to buy, buying now or waiting for oct wouldn’t make much of a difference then? Do we still get taxed 30% on the dividend?
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Yes, buy now you earn more interest due to time value of money. Of course, this assumes interest rate remains the same, if it goes up further, then you benefit more; if it goes down in the future, your return will reduce accordingly.

As far as I know, 30% WHT is not applicable to US Treasury ETFs. You will be taxed 30% WHT first by your broker (e.g. IBKR), and the IRS will refund you the money next year. (Previous member mentioned it's early next year, though I have not experienced that as I only started buying US T-bill ETF this year. Will update you guys here when the money is in...)

Not all brokers qualify for the 30% WHT refund though. Stashaway have to switch to the UCITS version of their original US T-bill ETF due to IRS ruling that they are not qualified for a refund.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 28 2023, 07:20 PM)
ibkr should not have to apply wht on qualifying interest/dividend income in the first place...

i doubt they pay irs first and then claim it back next year to refund y'all...

anyways...
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As far as I know, the WHT deductions appear on my IBKR activity statement:

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And previous info from our friend Gwynbleidd confirms this. You can read the posts from here onwards: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=107454178
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post Sep 28 2023, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Sep 28 2023, 10:48 PM)
yes i know what they are doing... but why?

they don't pay irs... because its not required...

so essentially, they took 30% of your money for their own use, until next year...
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Woah this I don't know. Upon further reading looks like no withholding is necessary in the first place.

https://www.ssga.com/library-content/produc...us-en-ssiit.pdf

Not sure if they apply the withholding due to ease of administration. You think can complain?

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post Sep 29 2023, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 29 2023, 05:21 PM)
I think this is for US Bond ETF, doesn't happen to Irish Domiciled US Bond ETF right?
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I think so, but better check with dwRK. StashAway switched over to Irish domiciled ones due to the 30% WHT issue too: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=107976337
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post Oct 2 2023, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ Sep 29 2023, 10:13 PM)
For Irish domiciled US bond ETF, it should be 0% right?
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dwRK US Treasury UCITS is 0% right?
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post Oct 3 2023, 11:14 PM

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One moderator from HWZ says that IB01 allows you to bypass all the withholding and estate taxes.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/...#post-149574191
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post Oct 4 2023, 05:20 PM

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FT Opinion: Inside Business

The Yeezy standard for accounting
The debacle over the abortive tie up between Adidas and Kanye West points to a broader need for disclosure

by Olaf Storbeck (2 HOURS AGO)


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Source (with paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/8b094370-f7e7-49...6d-6c0096be7784

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post Oct 6 2023, 02:34 PM

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FT Undercover Economist

Netflix and bill - the high price of a subscription lifestyle
Businesses have cashed in on our carelessness

by Tim Harford (3 HOURS AGO)

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One of the modern classics of economics is an article from 2006 with the self-explanatory title “Paying Not to Go to the Gym”, in which researchers Stefano DellaVigna and Ulrike Malmendier studied the behaviour of nearly 8,000 gym members and found it “difficult to reconcile with standard preferences and beliefs”.

By that, they meant that gym members seemed to be delusional, weak-willed or both. People on a monthly contract paid more per visit than those who simply showed up and paid at the door, suggesting they either had a very basic problem with arithmetic or, more likely, optimistic expectations about how often they would exercise. People on the rolling monthly contract also tended to let more than two months elapse between the last visit and the moment they got round to cancelling their membership.

For nerds like me, the article has an important message about the field of behavioural economics. We’ll get to that. There’s also a broader question. The subscription business model has expanded from traditional products, such as newspapers and gym memberships to software, streaming media, vegetable boxes, shaving kits, makeup, clothes and support for creative types via Patreon or Substack. We should all be asking ourselves, if so many people are paying not to go to the gym, what else are we paying not to do?

A new working paper from economists Liran Einav, Benjamin Klopack and Neale Mahoney attempts an answer. Using data from a credit and debit card provider, they examine what happens to subscriptions for 10 popular services when the card that is paying for them is replaced. At this moment, the service provider suddenly stops getting paid and must contact the customer to ask for updated payment details.

You can guess what happens next: for many people, this request reminds them of a subscription they had stopped thinking about and immediately prompts them to cancel it. Relative to a typical month, cancellation rates soar in months when a payment card is replaced — from 2 per cent to at least 8 per cent. Einav and his colleagues use this data to estimate how easily many people let stale subscriptions continue. Relative to a benchmark in which infallible subscribers instantly cancel once they decide they are no longer getting enough value, the researchers predict that subscribers will take many extra months — on average 20 — to get around to cancelling.

Don’t take the precise numbers too seriously — as with most social science, this is not a rigorously controlled experiment but an attempt to tease meaning out of noisy real-world data. What you should take seriously is the likelihood that you are swimming in barely noticed subscriptions, some of which you would choose to cancel if you were forced to pay attention to them for a few minutes. Perhaps you should. Come to think of it, perhaps I should.

But I promised a geeky lesson about behavioural economics too. Loyal readers will have noted some recent scandals in behavioural science: experiments conducted separately by two well-known researchers, Dan Ariely and Francesca Gino, have been found (in the opinion of independent experts) to contain manipulated or fraudulent data. Both deny wrongdoing.

In the light of this dismaying situation, it would be understandable if people lost a bit of confidence in the field of behavioural economics. So it is worth reminding ourselves of what behavioural economics is trying to achieve. The field has long aimed to bring some psychological realism to economics, whose traditional textbook model has no room for people who take out a gym membership, fail to go to the gym and then neglect to cancel the gym subscription.

Its founding member is the co-author of Nudge, Nobel memorial prize winner Richard Thaler. Thaler’s project has always been not to argue that the textbook model is contradicted by laboratory experiments, but that it is contradicted by the way that important markets work in the real world.

It is certainly reasonable to ask how many experiments in social psychology may have been fraudulently manipulated. Less outrageous, but of more practical significance, is the possibility that many experiments in social psychology are poorly reported and analysed. As I’ve argued recently, we need to strengthen the foundations of scientific practice to prevent this.

Economists can certainly learn from experiments, but contact with reality should be an important part of economics, which is — or should be — a practical subject.

Whether we are sticking closely to the old textbook model or embracing the latest ideas from behavioural science, our concepts should be taken more seriously when they explain what we see around us every day.

If people really are lazy, short-sighted and inattentive, as behavioural economics suggests, then subscriptions are a hugely attractive business model. The subscriptification of everything suggests that businesses have noticed this.

There are some whimsical ideas in behavioural science, and some of them will not stand the test of time. But the central proposition of Nudge is not whimsical: it’s that the default position matters far more than you’d think, not in a laboratory experiment but in markets where billions or trillions are at stake.

People delegate life-changingly huge decisions — for example, about contributions to their pensions — to the path of least resistance. If behavioural public policy means anything, it means shaping those default positions for the public good. It’s an idea to which I still subscribe.

Tim Harford’s new book for children, “The Truth Detective” (Wren & Rook), is now available
Source (with paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/b2622d99-4eaf-44...e2-4b61c716a06b

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post Oct 6 2023, 10:29 PM

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Poor Nestle...

https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-con...out-2023-10-06/

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post Oct 10 2023, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 10 2023, 01:50 PM)
But i wont be withdrawing often. I only plan to do it in maybe 10 years but wanted to test it out now to see how it works. Thats why need someone who is familiar with IBKR to Maybank transfers.
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Call Maybank's HQ in Kuala Lumpur, not just the branch. They may be able to tell you who are their correspondent bank.
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post Oct 11 2023, 09:29 AM

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Novo Nordisk is running wild...

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare...rly-2023-10-10/

Should have bought more...
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LVMH tumbles 6% after weak results.

(with paywall) https://www.ft.com/content/ce43b24e-89ab-44...80-2b21fa14a8ad

LVMH official results documents: https://www.lvmh.com/shareholders/agenda/2023-q3-revenue/

Waiting for it to slide towards 540 EUR...

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