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post Sep 27 2019, 07:13 AM

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Maybe the display of kindness and hospitality isn't exactly the what we should be looking at, but rather love one another, as the Lord loves us.

What I can affirmed is that when a deed is done in love & with love, it is far more effective than all the words I can even think of and best of all, a real Christian, even a pagan literally, would immediately know and feel God's love.
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post Sep 27 2019, 10:46 AM

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Yes Unknown Warrior you are right, that is what is peppered throughout Scriptures about angels and I do understand. Just that I prefer the other route that is more direct and simpler that's all. 😊

It is really crazy sometimes, my love for others can be so strong that I only want the best for them. The strangest thing is, I find that generally the pagans are more receptive than compared to even my own brethren. Scripture is proven to be right, a prophet is never welcome in his own home.
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post Oct 2 2019, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Sep 30 2019, 05:59 PM)
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JOHN. 13:34-35 (NKJV)  = 34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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The Lord/God Jesus Christ commanded His apostles and disciples to love one another, not just love any stranger or Tom, Dikk and Harry.

Being kind and helpful to non-disciples/non-Christians or others is different from the above commandment to love one another.

Seems, there are many foolish Christians/disciples who go around supporting and helping strangers or every Tom, Dikk and Harry and really loving their enemies. .......

GALATIANS. 6:10 =. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.
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I would be an idiot to label any fellow brethren foolish for the works that brethren has been entrusted to do by our Lord.

Yes, without a doubt we must love our Christian brethren first but Scriptures also says a prophet is never welcomed in his own home. How I wish to love all of my brethren but since this is not allowed within my own church, now I have found that loving non-Christians is far more easier and the non-Christians are much more receptive compared to those from my own community. Thus scripture is proven to be right, the first shall be last and the last shall be first.

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post Oct 2 2019, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 2 2019, 01:59 PM)
I want this place to be a place of Christian fellowship regardless of different denomination.
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Yup I desire the same thing within my own Catholic community too, just like what you've written.

When I see observe the Muslim community how they look out for one another irregardlesss whether they are right or wrong, its their bonding as a community, that I find lacking in my own community. 😔 I am not referring to members in this forum. 😊

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post Oct 2 2019, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 2 2019, 02:59 PM)
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The problem is, some Christians may have a wrong understanding of the works that they have been entrusted to do by our Lord/God Jesus Christ, eg are the Christian brethren to truly love their enemies like the ISIS terrorists and US liberals.? (cf: ROMANS.12:40 & 9:13)

Prophets, by historical biblical definition, hear audibly and directly from God, eg Moses, Samuel, Nathan, John, Peter and Paul. I do not think there are any such prophets today, even though a few may claim to be(= false prophets.?).. So, your problem about a God's prophet (yourself.?) is never welcomed in his own home Church is spurious.
....... In the Bible, God's prophets were not welcomed by the sinning/evil-doing/law-breaking Jewish Temple and Kings. That was why God sent the Jewish nation of Judah and Israel into foreign captivity in 800BC. It's misinterpretation of the Bible to apply this historical event to today's Church.
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HEBREWS.8:10-13 (NKJV) = . 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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I had to look up for the meaning of spurious.

Ok tell me when Scripture says about being born again is that spurious too ?

I think the real question in our lifetime that we have to ask of ourselves is that, do we want to be perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect or how does one even fulfill the Greatest Commandment first.

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post Oct 2 2019, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 2 2019, 04:04 PM)
Every community have their own sets of problem, regardless, don't get swayed by that.

you do your part and be loving to your neighbors or strangers. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Very true every community has their own set of problems and you are right, that will not stop me from doing what I must do or rather all of us, as Christians must do. It is not that we need nor seek praises for such works from anyone, if ever there were such praises, then such praises must be for our heavenly Father only, for those are truly His Works. Scriptures is proven to be true, how happy are those who believes. Praise be to God.
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post Oct 3 2019, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 2 2019, 11:21 PM)
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MATTHEW.5: (NKJV) =

Adultery in the Heart

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. .......
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Love Your Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
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[i]Notice that the gist of the above 2 passages are the same. So, if Christians were commanded by Jesus/God to love their enemies, they were also commanded to pluck out their eyes and cut off their limbs, so as to save themselves from hell. Does this jive or sound
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The 2 passages are the SAME ? Oh my goodness, seriously ? You are no Christian aren't you ?

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post Oct 3 2019, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 3 2019, 09:24 PM)
I did not say the 2 passages are the same.  I said the gist of the 2 passages are the same. You are misquoting my words. Are you falsely accusing me of not being a Christian.?
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Not just 2 passages but the
gist of 6 passages are the same. .......
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MATTHEW.5:21-48 (NKJV) =

Murder Begins in the Heart

21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. ...
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Adultery in the Heart

27 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. ...
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Marriage Is Sacred and Binding

31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
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Jesus Forbids Oaths

33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. ...
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Go the Second Mile

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. ...
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Love Your Enemies

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
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So, can Christians be without any anger with his brother or neighbor.? Shall they pluck out their eyes and cut off their limbs.? Shall Christians not divorce for any reason except for sexual immorality.? Can Christians not swear any oath at all.? Shall they turn the other cheek, go the extra mile and lend to all who ask when dealing with evil persons.? Shall Christians love their enemies.?

All these perfect works of self-effort cannot save the person from hell. Only faith/belief in Jesus Christ can save the person from hell = Christians are saved from hell = they do not have to do these perfect works to be saved from hell. Only those who reject Jesus Christ have to do them, in order to be saved from hell by their own works of self-effort.

Also, all these perfect works are quite impossible to do. Can you pluck out your eyes and cut off your limbs.? If you can, you will be without any immoral sexual lust since you can no longer see a sexually desirable woman and  no longer be able to carry out an illicit sexual affair. If you can, the Lord/God Jesus Christ may just grant you a favored position in heaven seated next to Him, a much sought after position and reward(= MARK.10:35-45).

Once saved by faith, the mostly formerly lawless Gentile Christians should go learn the non-burdensome or essential parts of the Law, in order to be empowered by the Holy Spirit of God to do the easy and light works of God, ie keep His commandments/laws. .......


REV.14:12 =12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
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P S - It is inherited Adam's Original Sin that will be sending everyone to hell when they die = they are all born as original sinners and need a Saviour/Christ/Messiah(ROMANS.5:12). This Sin causes everyone to occasionally have involuntary  immoral/sinful thoughts and desires in their hearts like immoral sexual lust, greed, selfishness, hate, anger, jealousy, fears/worries, doubts, etc. The spiritual source of this Sin-in-thoughts is Satan. If they are not careful this Sin-in-thought may develop into voluntary sins-in-deeds like murder, adultery, stealing, cheating/lying, etc = such sinners/law-breakers will be cursed by God with a sad and short life on earth.
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post Oct 4 2019, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 4 2019, 01:27 PM)
Take a guess.

1 month.? = instant spiritual maturity like McD's unhealthy  fast food or Maggi Mee's unhealthy instant noodles - cf; 1COR.3:1-3.
1 year.? 5 years.? 10 years.? 20 years.? 30 years.? 40 years.? Or even longer.?
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About MATTHEW.5:21-48, at that time, the Jews and Pharisees were thinking that they were going to heaven(= saved from hell) by being perfect keepers of the Law, ie did not commit murder, insulting, adultery, vain swearing, stealing, cheating/lying, etc. They were only half-right. ...

... Before the Advent of Jesus Christ from heaven to earth in 30-33AD, only Jews who have perfectly kept Moses Law qualified to go to heaven when they die, as per LUKE.16:19-31, 1PETER.3:19 & 4:6, MATTHEW.17:3, eg beggar Lazarus, Moses and Elijah. The rich young Jew of LUKE.16 died early and ended up in Hades/hell for willfully/intentionally breaking the Law at DEUT.15:11, ie he refused to provide charity to the poor(= Lazarus) every Sabbath or 7th year.
....... After the 1st Advent and death of Jesus Christ on the Cross in 33AD, perfect-keepers of the Law no longer qualified to be saved from hell when they die, whether Jews or Gentiles, because the gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ has already arrived on earth. Only those who believed in Jesus Christ would be saved from hell or inherit eternal life in the kingdom of God in heaven - JOHN.3:14-18, MATTHEW.4:17.

Today, US and other Jews still falsely believe that they are going to heaven(=saved from hell) by just believing in God and keeping Moses Law, as many laws as possible = no need Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah/Christ/Saviour. Similarly for the Muslims, ie they  falsely believe that they are going to heaven by just believing in Allah and keeping Muhammad/Sharia Law.

At MATTHEW.5:21-48, the Lord/God Jesus Christ was trying to correct the Jews' and Pharisees' misconception about still being saved  from hell by just keeping the Law = the Old Covenant of Law was going to be replaced by a New Covenant of Faith.
....... Bear in mind that the New Covenant of Faith did not destroy the Old Law, ie anyone who breaks the Old Law will still be cursed by God(= a sad and short life on earth) and anyone who keeps the Old Law/commandments will still be blessed by God(= a good and long life on earth), whether Jews, Gentiles, Christians or non-Christians - ROMANS.2, 1COR.5:5 & 11:30, 1JOHN.5:16-17, DEUT.28, PROVERBS.1.

Unfortunately, there are misguided Christians who falsely believe that their New Hyper-Grace doctrine gave them the license-to-sin without any repercussions from God, as if they got a "Get Out of Jail Free" card by just believing in Jesus Christ. In truth, such willful sinning Christians will often end up with curses/calamities(eg cancer) from God and gravely risk losing their faith and salvation while suffering for their sins/lawlessness - HEBREWS.10:26-31 & 6:1-8, JOB.2:9, 1TIMOTHY.4:1, 2THESS.2:1-12, 1JOHN.3:1-10, MATTHEW.7:15-23.
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post Oct 8 2019, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 8 2019, 10:46 AM)
I have a question to ask.

What if a person has Alzheimer or has some kind of disability in the mind, how can that person be saved?
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That is a very good question Unknown Warrior.

I reckon one can be saved under such circumstances, provided one is baptised first and with our prayers together with the prayers of our brethren, whom are already in the Kingdom of Heaven interceeding on the person's behalf.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 8 2019, 12:47 PM)
Perhaps that is the Catholic's doctrine but I'm wondering where the Bible says something about the confession of the mouth.
Romans 10:10 (KJV) - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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I am definately not an expert in Catholic doctrine but intercession is clearly found in scriptures. However the initial question was related to a sickness of an unsound mind, right ? Confession from an unsound mind, now that I've never experienced before.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 8 2019, 01:08 PM)
Perhaps you can imagine....if one has parents or grand parents or any relative who are not saved but has this mind disability.

How lah? I've been praying on this.
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It is possible bro., for everything is possible for the one who believes.

I remember fighting the evil spirit before with our Lord's Prayer and verses in the Holy Bible only and that took a solid 3/4 of a hour to finish. However the subsequent exorcisms was completed on a shorter time frame as I called upon everyone I could think of in heaven. Thank goodness everyone replied. 😊

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QUOTE(azriqii @ Oct 8 2019, 01:24 PM)
Like who? Paul, Peter etc? I thought call on Jesus is enough?
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Calling on our Lord Jesus Christ would suffice definately but battling with such forces is very very taxing & tiring. I was completely drained after the 1st round.

Might as well call in the calvary, I thought. Definately the Archangels was called upon and every holy brethren whom I personally know of, that has gone ahead of us. Oooppps I am sure I missed out St. Peter & St. Paul.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 8 2019, 01:21 PM)
???  but that is exorcism. Different scenario.
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The scenario is different but the principles are the same. 😊
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QUOTE(azriqii @ Oct 8 2019, 12:55 PM)
Infant baptism is not biblical.
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It is ok, Unknown Warrior.

Yup you are right azriqii, that is in not biblical in that, it was not expressed explicitly. However it can be implied, can it not ? 😊

I do not know about your experiences with other faiths, but lets look at other communities of different faiths. Can you see the differences between our baptised young ones and their young ones ?

I am forever grateful to our Lord Jesus Christ for He Himself promises and gives us every Christian His Spirit, His Holy Spirit who will guide us into all truths, so that we can "see" while to others outside, they may look and look but never see. King Solomon desire for wisdom is what we, as Christians, must try to emulate.

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QUOTE(azriqii @ Oct 8 2019, 02:11 PM)
Baptism is the act of public confession or proclamation. When you baptise baby you sure in the future he or she is a Christian?
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Well azriqii you are correct baptism is act of public confession repentance from turning from our sins and turning towards God. This is strictly should be for matured adults.

Ok here in simple words if I recall the writings in old Catechism books correctly, Infant Baptism is so important that it protects our young ones from the Evil One. That was what I was trying to imply.

Oh my goodness bro., when this was written "When a baby is baptized, how sure are you that that child will continue to be a Christian ?" I am sorry but reading that line alone is setting off Alarm Bells in my head, bro ! If our Lord Jesus Christ is really so important to us, do you not think that it even more important to teach to our young ones why our Lord is so important to us, that they should never leave home without Him ?

I read somewhere that our Jewish brethren takes their faith so seriously that by the time their children reaches a certain age, they would have memorized the Torah and all other customary rules & regulations by heart !

I thank God everyday for a lovely God-daughter, though she's not of my own flesh and blood and I pray to God on how to guide her so that when the time comes she too will form a relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ. She has no other choice.

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 8 2019, 03:37 PM)
Which in itself is a problem because of different people having different intepretations.
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Bro., while it may seem to be a problem, but I see it as a blessing, that is, if every Christian relied on the Spirit of God, Whom will guide us into all truths and understanding, there wouldn't be much differences in the interpretations since it is always the same Spirit. 😊
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Oct 8 2019, 06:13 PM)
But you wouldn't be sure it would be the same Spirit guiding every person doing the interpretation now would you?
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You are right bro., that is why Scripture teaches us further to test the spirit. The good thing is, as sheep we can only recognize the voice of our Good Shepherd and any other teaching that is contrary to the teaching of our Master's teaching, will warn us immediately that somethin ain't right. Therefore further investigation is required if one is to proceed.
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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Oct 9 2019, 05:42 PM)
Have you ever wondered why did God make the Bible in such difficult to understand and ambiguous?
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Its difficult and ambiguous only to those who does not love Him. However those who truly loves Him, the Holy Bible is no longer difficult nor ambiguous. If I should be brave to add, not only the Holy Bible but anything one sets ones heart unto. 😊

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QUOTE(NicoRobinz @ Oct 9 2019, 06:24 PM)
But even in Christianity has different sects, and which sect loves God the most?  sweat.gif

To be honest, I find some books in Bible is very hard to understand especially when it comes to Leviticus.
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God loves everyone to be honest and even the different Christian sects, the real question we have to ask ourselves is, do we really love God ? Do we really understand what loving God is truly all about or is it loving God only limited according to our human understanding of what love is.

Being able to fulfill the Greatest Commandment is the first step every Christian must learn. The human heart is capable of such profound love, when God changes ones heart of stone to a heart of flesh.

As for the query, fret not, for everything will fall into place when the time comes especially with the Spirit of God. 😊

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