QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 10 2019, 10:59 AM)
2CHRONICLES.16:7-13 (NKJV) = Hanani’s Message to Asa
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Illness and Death of Asa
11 Note that the acts of Asa, first and last, are indeed written in the book of the kings of Judah and Israel. 12 And in the thirty-ninth year of his reign, Asa became diseased in his feet, and his malady was severe; yet in his disease he did not seek the Lord, but the physicians.
13 So Asa rested with his fathers; he died in the forty-first year of his reign.
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MARK.5:25-34 = 25 Now a certain woman had a flow of blood for twelve years, 26 and
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As per MATTHEW.9:10-13, [COLOR=red]all Jews and Gentiles are born sinners and need the Great Physician to save them from hell when they die because of their inherited Adam's Original Sin - ROMANS.5:12 = believers become Christians.
But for such new Christians' remaining lives on earth before death and salvation actually occurs, Word/Law-abiding Christians who do not commit sins leading to death, especially Jewish Christians, do not need doctors or physicians for hospital treatment of serious illnesses/diseases, as per the 1st 2 Bible quotes above, because God will bless them with a good and long life on earth.
No one is perfect = even law-abiding Christians may occasionally commit unintentional or negligent sins not leading to death = may occasionally need to see a General Practioner doctor for treatment of a non-serious illness. IOW, they are not habitual sinners/law-breakers.
....... There is something very Spirit'ually wrong with a Christian wrt trust/faith in God and His Word/Law, when he/she has to see GP doctors very often or see hospitalization doctors for treatment of serious illnesses a few times, eg spiritual-baby Gentile Christians who never grew up or refused to grow up, eg because they are ignorant of God's laws/words.. ....... 1COR.11:30-32 = 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.
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DEUT.28: = Curses on Disobedience
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LoL are you serious??!!
i know a few faithful Christians that have died early. In their 30's, early 50's, etc. Their testimonies are/were outstanding. I know a young lady in her early 30's, who's suffering from a relapse. She clings on to Jesus so closely. She grew up in Sunday school. All the above people are cancer victims.
Your sect of Christianity is certainly a very strange one. You a 7th-day Adventist or something?
Also, do not misuse Romans 5:12. Where does the Bible say we inherited Adam's ORIGINAL SIN? Ape mende ORIGINAL SIN tu hah?
Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin. - Deut 24:16
Yet you may ask, ‘Why shouldn’t the son bear the iniquity of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right, carefully observing all My statutes, he will surely live. 20The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him. - Ezekiel 18:20
Everybody is responsible for their own sinfulness. We don't go to hell because of Adam's sin. We go to hell because WE choose to sin individually.
If i may add, i do not believe babies who die in infancy go to hell. Toddlers and the like.
The doctrine of ORIGINAL SIN is a sacred cow for people like you, but it's just a "theological construct".
QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Oct 10 2019, 12:41 PM)
That is not right wrt God creating Man in His image with moral consciousness built-in. .......GENESIS.2:16-17 = .
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”The moral consciousness of Man only came into him when Adam broke God's 1st-ever commandment/law by eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
On top of that, this Original Sin caused Man to experience spiritual death(= bound for hell)and to be further cursed by God at GENESIS.3:14-19, eg Man has to suffer spiritual enmity with Satan = Satan can occasionally plant sinful/evil thoughts in his heart and mind, eg immoral sexual lust, hate, anger, greed, selfishness, jealousy, fears/worries, doubts, etc, ... in order to get him to voluntarily commit sins, especially for him to commit grave sins and die young so that Satan/demons can eat his decaying body as it returns to dust.you are..............borderline mad!
ROMANS.7: =
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”
12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. In general, people without God's Law, even though they have moral consciousness or the knowledge of good and evil, are carnal and will often fall into Satan's testing and temptations, go and commit sins or lawlessness willfully = hence we have a mostly rotten world since GENESIS.4. For Christians, the right antidote or medicine for this spiritual problem is as per MATTHEW.4:1-11 = Jesus Christ, filled with the Holy Spirit of God, overcame Satan's testing and temptations with the Word of God quoted from the Old Testament, and not with moral consciousness = Word/Law-abiding Christians walking in the Spirit who do not wallow in the mud of sins/law-breaking like pigs.
Should the Church be without any laws/rules and regulations/order of service, and just rely on the Christian members' moral consciousness to do what is good.?
Should a country be without any laws and just rely on her citizens' moral consciousness to do what is good.?.
1COR.6:9-11 =
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.The apostle Paul stated that many new Gentile Christian adults(= Corinthian Christians) were formerly serious law-breakers/sinners when they were carnal and lawless Gentiles. .He warned them not to return to their former sins/law-breaking and continue in the sins. If they did, they would have lost their inheritance in the kingdom of God, eg if a Gentile Christian today willfully return to the sin of homosexual-sex and sodomy unrepentantly, he will likely get HIV+, and then lose faith and salvation while dying horribly from AIDS and/or other STDs. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God - HEB.10:26-31. Ok, sorry you are not just borderline, you are a complete nut case!
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