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post Apr 2 2020, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 2 2020, 01:20 PM)
Here’s how I manage my AirBnB - initially wanted to install digital lock. Luckily I did not. Instead I went with this:

https://s.lazada.com.my/s.0fSZV

A simple combination lock that I put at my letter box. In it I drop my house and lift key for my tenant. This is so much better - no need to worry about Wifi, Bluetooth, battery, finger print, etc. Cheap and effective

Just change the combination lock PIN every few weeks
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You are still on manual lock. First your combination lock can be cracked easily since only 3 digits. It is a cheap solution that may serve the purpose but unless you are arguing manual lock is better than smart lock it is not relevant here.

If you want most secured may be manual lock is still the best. But smart lock offers you convenient that you can't beat. In g&g environment it is just great without worrying too much about security beaches
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post Apr 2 2020, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Apr 2 2020, 04:55 PM)
You are still on manual lock. First your combination lock can be cracked easily since only 3 digits. It is a cheap solution that may serve the purpose but unless you are arguing manual lock is better than smart lock it is not relevant here.

If you want most secured may be manual lock is still the best. But smart lock offers you convenient that you can't beat. In g&g environment it is just great without worrying too much about security beaches
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Beg to differ. I see more downside in using digital lock:

1. Super expensive
2. Need to worry about power supply (battery)
3. Some model need internet connectivity
4. Need to educate tenant how to use the lock (waste of time)
5. Follow up from no. 1 - poor ROI

The thread starter asked for digital lock that's good to use for AirBnB so my argument is based on this alone. If you are debating on the merit for personal use, then you can justify with any personal reason I won't argue at all - to some cost is not an issue

There's no 100% foolproof in using locks. I'm a fan of LockPickingLawyer videos in Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ

You'll find that lock picker nowadays are smart, they have graduate to cyber-thief. Digital locks also can be easily tamper with

This post has been edited by knwong: Apr 2 2020, 05:54 PM
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post Apr 2 2020, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 2 2020, 05:49 PM)
Beg to differ. I see more downside in using digital lock:

1. Super expensive
2. Need to worry about power supply (battery)
3. Some model need internet connectivity
4. Need to educate tenant how to use the lock (waste of time)
5. Follow up from no. 1 - poor ROI

The thread starter asked for digital lock that's good to use for AirBnB so my argument is based on this alone. If you are debating on the merit for personal use, then you can justify with any personal reason I won't argue at all - to some cost is not an issue

There's no 100% foolproof in using locks. I'm a fan of LockPickingLawyer videos in Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm9K6rby98W8JigLoZOh6FQ

You'll find that lock picker nowadays are smart, they have graduate to cyber-thief. Digital locks also can be easily tamper with
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What is super expensive? You can get those with simpler number pin code smart Lock for under 1k. Of course manual key is still cheapest if that's what you meant.

Power supply? Most can last 8000-10000 open/close. That's one year at least under normal usage. As far as internet goes you would think most ab&b will have internet service. Oh well if it is cheap ab&b then it will be basic and you won't need smart Lock anyway.

On educating tenant how to use don't you think people that travel around know how to use basic numerical key pad which is basic for smart lock?

There is no definite solution. It may work for you but if I were to do abnb for mid range to higher range offer, smart lock will work just fine
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post Apr 2 2020, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Apr 2 2020, 10:39 PM)
What is super expensive? You can get those with simpler number pin code smart Lock for under 1k. Of course manual key is still cheapest if that's what you meant.

Power supply? Most can last 8000-10000 open/close. That's one year at least under normal usage. As far as internet goes you would think most ab&b will have internet service. Oh well if it is cheap ab&b then it will be basic and you won't need smart Lock anyway.

On educating tenant how to use don't you think people that travel around know how to use basic numerical key pad which is basic for smart lock?

There is no definite solution. It may work for you but if I were to do abnb for mid range to higher range offer, smart lock will work just fine
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Let me share the perils of running homestay:

High end market is rare. I do get those Middle East, Datuk, politician tenant but no one will leave feedback that using manual lock is deal-breaker. If tenant lost a key I deduct RM50 from their deposit which is small income

When there’s power or network connectivity outage, you won’t want to come rescue your tenant in the middle of the night

When running a homestay business, keep the operation as lean as possible. Don’t go with fancy digital lock, 60 inch Flat screen, inverter A/C. Those are overkill

Take these serious advise for someone who has run homestay



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post Apr 3 2020, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(knwong @ Apr 2 2020, 11:09 PM)
Let me share the perils of running homestay:

High end market is rare. I do get those Middle East, Datuk, politician tenant but no one will leave feedback that using manual lock is deal-breaker. If tenant lost a key I deduct RM50 from their deposit which is small income

When there’s power or network connectivity outage, you won’t want to come rescue your tenant in the middle of the night

When running a homestay business, keep the operation as lean as possible. Don’t go with fancy digital lock, 60 inch Flat screen, inverter A/C. Those are overkill

Take these serious advise for someone who has run homestay
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My preference is outsource to "professional" that will run this thing for you. I would not want to do this on my own but that's a different topic. We used to get this guy that renovate the apartment and manage this for us. But luckily I decided to cash out before the market collapse and now the virus
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QUOTE(wailing81 @ Apr 2 2020, 01:11 PM)
aihome have the aqara n100 for rm1099 including installation today
https://www.aihome.com.my/product/aqara-smart-doorlock-n100/
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Thanks for sharing sir, better to contribute with this than others who’s going to debate over nothing..

Btw have u use it? I’m thinking of installing n100 as well since most of my house & lights is pre-install with mi products already.
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QUOTE(sicklad77 @ Apr 3 2020, 02:09 PM)
Thanks for sharing sir, better to contribute with this than others who’s going to debate over nothing..

Btw have u use it? I’m thinking of installing n100 as well since most of my house & lights is pre-install with mi products already.
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not yet, tempting to get this or if they import N200 even better.
it's a flash sales that day, don't think can get back that price now.
or maybe you can contact them and ask.

my house just started renovation, then MOC kicked in... stopped and don't know when can finish.
I also just bought those smart wall switch from taobao, especially the new one with 3 gang.
Plan to make smart house.

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Thanks all for sharing. Very useful information in this thread to help me decide on how to ensure a secure and smart home.
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I personally have installed deadbolt and mortise types of digital locks that don't use the internet. Here are the pros and cons of using digital locks I've used.

Pro:
1. Keyless.. No loss of keys, no keys locked inside, no visitors waiting outside because of no keys
2. Can generate the passcode without internet and without physically being there
3. Auto lock timer
4. Multiple passcodes - Permanent, One-Time, Timed, Recurring

Con:
1. If tenant is smart enough, he/she can factory reset the digital lock
2. Run out of battery

How to solve con:
1. There's a master key to open the lock
2. Can standby spare battery at premise
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QUOTE(scsoo @ Mar 26 2020, 03:09 PM)
Jumping in with a Personal review for own stay and not for AB&B type of Digital Lock approach...

Move over to Digital Lock and as usual did the normal research and whatever and to be honest nothing much there around to guide...

Mine was on a Fire-Rated Security Front Door and I opted for a Push Pull type. One thing I noted that so far there isn't any waterproof type of Digital Lock. The front mostly water-resistant while the rear mostly wont. As such I decided not to Digital Lock my Grill Door as water can be a major enemy to electronics. So be careful if wanna go digital if water is an issue. The Lock front can stand splashes of rain but the rear is questionable.

Secondly, there is so many type out there... so it can be confusing. Handle with latch, deadbolt only, Push pull.. This part you can read up and understand. The Lock will unlock digitally but you still have to unlatch it if its a Latch lock. Push Pull also a Fancy Latch Lock Combo. Then see what you want and budget.

If possible try to get it from a friendly Locksmith that is easily Contactable. Lot of people are on the DIY way nowadays but do note Digital Lock is not that easy to DIY or look up in youtube due to security reason. So better to have someone contactable if you run into problem. As there is so many type and brand with each to its own set of setting its better to have someone there to provide support if possible.

Securitywise, I opt for fingerprint and PIN only. Its just like keyless car. you carry everything on you. I opt not to use contact card and such as fingerprint and PIN cannot be stolen. This is up to you.... I prefer the way that things cannot be stolen from you. Fingerprint and PIN are the hardest to steal from you... hahaha

Batterylife, just keep a spare set of AA Battery at home. Most lock operate with AA Battery. If indeed dead battery there is the 9V battery way and override Key. Most people wont use the 9V battery way if you carry the override key with you. Just override the lock, go into the house and change the dead battery with the spare. Most of the time this wont happen as battery don't die suddenly. There is battery low indicator unless you so stupid to ignore.

Then the choice is yours, so many brand and type out there... then its your wallet to decide. Nothing if foolproof but main thing is Digital lock will save you the need to carry 1 key per lock. Still need to carry.. but no need to fumble with it.. carry as its for emergency use only... like the keyless entry car.. you still have a key that you carry for emergency.

Its something nice to have and its for you to consider. Just sharing my opinion and thinking.
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May I know the lock you opt for ?
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QUOTE(Hagendaz @ Feb 19 2021, 04:03 PM)
May I know the lock you opt for ?
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Using Yale Push Pull Digital Lock...
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post Feb 28 2021, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(scsoo @ Feb 19 2021, 04:38 PM)
Using Yale Push Pull Digital Lock...
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which model ?
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post Mar 1 2021, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(Hagendaz @ Feb 28 2021, 11:04 AM)
which model ?
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Now using the latest model, was using its predecessor... Yale only have one series of Push Pull Digital Lock if I am not wrong.
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post Jan 24 2022, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(scsoo @ Mar 1 2021, 09:03 AM)
Now using the latest model, was using its predecessor... Yale only have one series of Push Pull Digital Lock if I am not wrong.
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Do you know if there are any physical stores to compare and check out these locks?
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post Jan 28 2022, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Jan 24 2022, 02:25 PM)
Do you know if there are any physical stores to compare and check out these locks?
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Yale ada kat 1Utama new wing. Infront of sushi Zanmai.

I'm leaning towards SAMSUNG DH537
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Isn't a lock only as strong as the door/door frame itself?

With that said, how much does it cost for a reasonably priced secure door with good hinges/strike plate ?
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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Jan 28 2022, 08:57 AM)
Yale ada kat 1Utama new wing. Infront of sushi Zanmai.

I'm leaning towards SAMSUNG DH537
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Been informed by a lock seller that Samsung is dropping this segment of business, means the after sales support might also be phased out slowly.

Suggested me to not opt for samsung but can go with other brand such as philips or schlage.

but i'm eyeing to buy it online from overseas, so much cheaper compared to local price.

installation fee i found is 250 bucks.
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QUOTE(tehoice @ Mar 24 2022, 02:45 PM)
Been informed by a lock seller that Samsung is dropping this segment of business, means the after sales support might also be phased out slowly.

Suggested me to not opt for samsung but can go with other brand such as philips or schlage.

but i'm eyeing to buy it online from overseas, so much cheaper compared to local price.

installation fee i found is 250 bucks.
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Do remember ordering from oversea incur tax for parcel >500

Also I find Philips and Kaadas has stronger lockset

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post Mar 30 2022, 06:18 PM

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anyone used https://abrain.com.my/ before?
any reviews?

saw that they have grill smart lock
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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Mar 30 2022, 06:18 PM)
anyone used https://abrain.com.my/ before?
any reviews?

saw that they have grill smart lock
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I was researching on this and found a lot ppl give good review / thumbs up on their FB Page. Probably incentivised, but seems okay so far.

Only issue I had with them is their showroom in Penang so got nothing physical to check and “test” build quality. But they got installer in KL so no worries on that.

I end up going with Avant smart/digital door lock instead since got showroom in KL (Mt Kiara) and overall combo pricing is cheaper than Abrain.

I got the main door + grill door combo for RM2299. There’s a member referral for Avant, discount RM50. Can pm me if you keen then I can pass you my name for the referral.

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