Those houses in Klang Valley should enjoy free water as long as not reaching a certain usage. But how come those condo in KV under the management needs to pay? Because of higher water usage like maintaining the swimming pool?

This post has been edited by SomaCruz89: Jul 27 2019, 10:54 AM

Yes.

But I have few friends staying in apartment with swimming pool but the water bill usually 0

Yes, no, maybe.

Individual meter under syabas got that free water.

Meter under building management, no...

whats your Q?

Is that a bitcoin symbol in your coffee?

yes

free 20m3 water for residential in SG only

Those under building management, can this be converted to syabas meter by the condo JMB? Since condo charges a minimum amount monthly, even if not used.

Electric under commercial title, can that be changed too by the condo JMB?

When come back MY?

My cheapo apartment min water bill is rm6

One person usage or more that one?

The residents in unison need to apply and pay for all these : -

1. Individual meter Syabas - after application account owners oni pay to syabas
2. Separate bulk Meter to common facilities. Management to pay syabas, expect increase in management expenditure, I.e. increase in maintenance fee.

Electricity, the rates are determined by the Land type in the land title. Most Apartments sits in a Commercial type land title... in short the answer is no. TNB not gonna entertain

This post has been edited by jonn zee: Jul 27 2019, 11:10 AM

Everything after the bulk syabas meter outside building needs to be maintained by maintenance
Of course must charge u kaokao

For electricity bill in Commercial land title condo, the developer can convert to follow residential rate. This is usually the case

Bro, you think the water magically go up to your floor without help? Of coz it needs a huge pump to go up and a giant water tank to store, who is maintaining these equipment? Management corporation la.

sila baca
https://www.syabas.com.my/highlight/migration

Kan dah told u comercial title, residential tittle still pay 0 cost the 20rm thing

Individual meter.
Never need to pay unless u exceed the free quota

Cannot.
Electric yes. Can change if it's apartment. Even if land title is commercial.

Bro that is what the Maintenance Fee are for... not water bill.

Pump facility to pump the water up to your house. Top tank. Who gonna pay for electric and maintenance?

Doesnt that fall under maintenance fees?

Maybe can propose to the management to have individual meter

Alot of time the expensive water bill is also due to the commercial title. They unable to change to residential rate , so tarak individual meter for this.

Commercial or residential if the water is under management instead of Syabas/Air Selangor, the water bill usually higher because you cannot enjoy the free RM20 water usage...

Syabas for new ruling.

Apartments must apply for individual meter this year. If not kena compound.

Apartment Management's hated this since they'll lose control over tenants to force them pay maintenance fees

Got source bro?

There a reason why theres maintenance fee for apartments... Definitely not for songlap

Whether the bill is from management body or syabas, the charge is based on monthly usage... so each unit has its own water meter.

It is mostly technical issues that syabas don't take over the monthly readings... for example, diameter of pipes or type of pipes or height of installing the meters not complying with syabas regulations. Developer failed to rectify the issues, but still able to get c.f. from town council.

After owners taken keys to the units, and under management bodies... nobody want to bear the costs in rectifying the issues.

Anyway, unit owners don't really want to resolve the matter since it is to their advantage... no bill from syabas, no bill from indah water too.

Management body pays bulk billing to both syabas and indah water. Unit owners pay only one bill to management body and in most cases, it is cheaper than paying separately to syabas and indah water.

This is about water tariffs and the differences between residential tariffs and commercial tariffs (Selangor or areas served by Air Selangor (also known as SYABAS):

As far as I know,

1. Water meter migration mandatory in Selangor:
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/community/2...ory-in-selangor
http://bayuvillaapartment.blogspot.com/201...-migration.html

2. In the past and present, there has been problems with the technical aspects of migration:
https://www.hba.org.my/news/2007/807/meter.htm
https://dcoapj.blogspot.com/
http://www.gmssolutions.com.my/blog/how-to...nd-condominium/

3. However, if you're a serviced residence built on commercial titled land, you're out of luck:
You will be charged commercial water rates/tariff. Even migration is not provided for under the "mandatory" migration exercise
Basically, service apartments are classified under the commercial category and they fall under Tariff Code 11. Tariff Code 11 excludes you from residential rates or the migration program
https://www.starproperty.my/news/water-bill-dilemma/75775

4. If you're a condominium or residential property on residential titled land, you're in luck, as the law in Selangor provides for you. Then your issue and hurdles will be with your JMB (refer points to 1 and 2)
https://www.airselangor.com/residential/manage-account/
https://www.airselangor.com/uploads/2020/11...-MIGRATION.docx

5. Latest water tariff codes..... sakit hati if you're a resident of a serviced apartments charged under Tariff Code 11
https://www2.airselangor.com/my-water-smart...iff-information

Is it fair? definitely not, especially if you are using your residential unit (serviced apartments) for residential purposes.

The swimming pool hypothesis is moot , since residential titled condominiums have swimming pools too. And water bill for the swimming pool at these condominiums are charged to the meter for that, and the JMB (management) pays for it using the management fees contributed to by residents

The cost of pumping water is moot , since residential titled condominiums have water pumps too. And ... reference the above

Currently some serviced apartments (older) comes as a bulk water meter (one meter for the whole apartment building), most newer serviced apartments should have bulk water meter as well as individual water meter to each unit. For almost all cases, the bills for the bulk meter is under the purview of the JMB (building management). Air Selangor will be billing the JMB. And in most cases, the JMB in turn have to bill the residents.

How the JMB bills the residents is the most messy part of the whole arrangement. You can even see this issue for the older condominiums (reference point 1 and 2) above with bulk meters. Some could even argue it is arbitrary.

So it is untrue to claimed serviced apartments residents water bills being equal in all cases, as it is up to JMB (building management).

a. Somewhat lucky resident would have a fairer arrangement where the JMB calculates your bill based on actual water use, and apportion the bulk bill accordingly among all residents and the running of amenities like pools and public toilets. BUT YOU STILL PAY EXPENSIVE Tariff Code 11 rates

b. Worst hit are the residents who have to pay RM36 minimum each month. Charged by the JMB. Because ostensibly, the Air Selangor Tariff Code 11 charges RM36 minimum each month. But what residents don't know is, based on the info from Air Selangor, this RM36 should be the charge of the one bulk meter. In cases like this, I think the JMB is running a scam

c. The most messy are the serviced apartments with a bulk water meter but no individual meters..... in such cases, I can guess its will be like hell breaks loose during the JMB residents meeting. How else do you measure how much each resident use? And who pays more?

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Mar 11 2022, 04:06 PM