Hi All,

Need some help here. I bought a proc from Godek from this forumer, and the problem is the warranty is over and i wanna get some refund becoz i feel cheated from the first place. From the first day, i get the proc i tested and found very slow, i feedback to Godek and he said maybe bcoz my mobo problem, and i trusted him and he also suggest to me to open thread ask other forumer, so i did it. some said BIOS, mobo, reinstall, reformat,...... all i did it. in the end i thought bcoz really my mobo problem then wont hav refund so i didnt ask.
After that i sell to other forumer, and after the buyer check all found that the proc actually got problem, after discussion & i think back, i feel cheated by Godek. Coz from the begining the proc alr got problem i think, only i didnt know how to test it out. For the buyer from me, dont worry, i will give back ur money and I'm very sorry for giving you trouble coz i also dunno at the first place.

any suggestion from others?

Thanks

Ok... now both me and kokjin99 want to settel this problem in win-win situation because i already stated that i will only refund on warranty period only...but problem now it already over and if he said it b4 or on the warranty period... I will refund him...

i give him 2 week warranty bcos he asked me so said that worries he might had not enough time if i give him 1 week warranty...so i said ok...wat the heck...that proc had no problem so why i need to worry about rite ?

he already pm me said that the proc got problem after he install it...i said it maybe he mobo and i ask him to ask other member (open thread)...after that he not pm asked for refund or what so ever...so i think there is no problem...

I want to stated here...if he want to refund on the warranty period...i willing to refund him but now warranty already over (give him 2 week warranty)...so i did not know how to help him and me...and i want to get win-win situation

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=463402&hl=

Agree with Godek that we should all try to seek a win win situation as there is not point trying to con fellow forummers. I'm actually the guy who bought the proc from kokjin99. I dont think kokjin99 is too technical as he just bought the idea that its his mobo that didnt support HTT.

I had the same problem as kokjin99, I reinstall my WinXP 3 time, patches to SP2 which took almost 1 hour to patch, changed my mobo and the proc is still slow. Below are some screenies of the benchmarks I took. The performance is way below par (heck its even slower than my P3) and its got nothing to do with mobo not supporting HTT.

The proc performance is very suspect.

I think its true what godek mentioned about the warrenty period of 2 weeks which has lapsed, but kokjin99 did highlight the problem to you earlier and not after the warranty peiod. only problem was that the problem was misdiagnosed and he didnt actively followup on the problem.

Lets hope we can all come to a good resolution here guys...




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highlighted was one thing but no confirmation of problem. no request to refund within the stated period. it's too bad la.

2 weeks period is a long time. you have 14 long days to test out the problem. if no time to test out then you can just voice out the disatisfaction and request a refund.

remember, as buyers you HAVE full rights to use the agreed terms / condition to your advantage.

ok i admit that i didnt ask for refund during warranty period is my stupid thing to do. Wat i wanna highlight is from the begining the proc itself alr got problem but the seller still sell it, do u think this is the rite act to do? I did highlight from the time i received the proc, it got problem and the seller ask me ask other forumer about the problem, and i was so stupid to trust the seller until i end up like this. anyway i get a lesson and i think it's worth the money. hope it can be a lesson to all that not so technical ppl. :-(

of course is not right if got problem but say no problem.

the thing is we all have no proof that it was problematic from his place to begin with.

so now you sold off the processor to BurgerRI?

yes and refund alr. coz at first i thought my mobo problem then just sell out to others and lost a bit of money.

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Added on July 1, 2007, 11:42 pmSo Godek, may i know how can we have a win-win situation?

This post has been edited by kokjin99: Jul 1 2007, 11:42 PM

I also did not know what the best win-win solution..that why i asked u open this thread and asked other member and mod...to give best solution to us...may they become our judges

so how about partial refund?

come on, dun always said this kind of things. when u sell things, why not open a thread and let other member decide your prices?
I just wan to settle this things fastly and pls dun waste any time, i suggest i get a half refund and i sent u back the proc deal? if not agree, pls made ur suggestion, thanks a lot

thinking bout it 2...but what the best refund must give...should he return the item...

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Added on July 2, 2007, 10:47 pmif i want to not paid u refund u i can because u already ask me to refund after warranty period...but i still want to give u some hope because u already said that got problem during the warranty period but u never ask for refund...

so i hope we can settle it in best way...thanks

This post has been edited by Godek: Jul 2 2007, 10:47 PM

ok thanks. I already made a suggestion and i think is reasonable, if u dun agree pls suggest urs. thanks again

This post has been edited by kokjin99: Jul 2 2007, 10:51 PM

actually partial refund would b the best way for current situation...
in my point of view ..actually do u think the proc problem occured during the delivering process?i mean the mis-handling by pos laju fellas.. it might possbile too rite? mayb its the seller's fault that he did not check properly b4 he sell it..but the thread hav caused him some sort of damage on his reputation...plus buyer hav to think twice b4 making any purchasing decision...so if u both can bear the lost together i mean seller refund part of it for buyer to cover the loss..and buyer gain ur experience on dealing wif other forumer...i think everything should b fine my 2 cents

godek it not at fault..normally seller would only give 1week warranty period..you considered lucky..i dont think its godek fault

U know since its a prescott u should check the cpu temp, if it's in its high 70s then the cpu is gonna declock itself. If the cpu is declocking itself am not mistaken u can see the multiplier or fsb ratign should be very low. Another prob is that Prescotts like clean, strong power... so using a chap lang psu may deteoriate the performance.

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Added on July 3, 2007, 9:24 amAs to the refund issue... kokjin99 u should always research a product before buying it... in case it has underlaying problems with it so when u do buy it from someone n u encounter problems u would know if the problem is a design flaw or an actually consummer created fault.

In this case a partial refund would be a win-win situation... somewhere around 50% of cost n postage.

This post has been edited by RangerRed: Jul 3 2007, 09:24 AM

Yeah I have to agree that definitely a partial refund would be a win win for both parties.

A few points which I think should be highlighted;

- Most importantly, buyer should always check the goodsthat they buy to determine if its in good working condition.
- Since LYN is a community, i think we should all be more helpful towards each other. In this case, seller should have tried to help the buyer determine if the goods he sold was indeed functioning properly.
- Sellers should always test the equipment that they are selling before shipping out, if its suspected faulty state so, if it good condition then even better but just mention the state its in, at least that way the buyer can be aware. I bought the dud proc from kokjin99, and I have to admit he was nice enough to refund me almost immediately (kudos to you) but I still incurred a loss of rm20 for courier charges.

My 0.2 cents

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Added on July 3, 2007, 10:00 amThe proc temps were in the region of 40C, I tested it using aftermarket cooler, so dont think its the temp issue. I was also running rmclock in the background to monitor if the proc speed changes during idle and laod but it remind constant at 2.8Ghz. And I was using a coolermaster true power 550w, it was powering the proc, a 6800 GC, one 40GB IDE hdd. Well i tested this all out coz i was the 2nd buyer for the dodgy proc....

This post has been edited by BurgerRI: Jul 3 2007, 10:01 AM

sorry for your lost, next time when i go KL, i treat u meal la ok?

This post has been edited by kokjin99: Jul 3 2007, 10:39 PM

while i see partial refund being the satisfactory way to achieve win-win situation, i do not see that it should even go that way.

the seller was kind enough to allow 2 weeks PW period in which buyer did only highlight the matter but did not pursue further nor insist on full refund as allowed by seller.

if i was the seller, i would assume that the buyer who does not come back to me has either solved the problem or come to acceptance of the living with the problem.

i personally doubt the processor had any problem in the first place, if it had problem then the seller wouldn't be so confident to even extend the PW to 2 weeks which is way way way more generous that what most of us would give (3 - 7 days).

look at the case involving espionage, even worse. 7 days PW but the item must reach him before the 7 days over.