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 Ubb CASH TRUST 3 years nett 6-8% pa anyone?, UBB Amanah Bhd

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TSguy3288
post Jul 2 2019, 06:32 PM, updated 4y ago

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Hello frens,

An ex bankers recommended this Ubb Trust to me
Its new to me as i never had any trust account.

This particular product is called Cash Trust.

www.cashtrust.my
www.ubbamanah.com


Their fee is 3.5% pa , seems quite high
yet it says NETT return assured 6-8%pa for 3 year tenure product,
min RM60k capital guaranteed,

She said it has benefits that FD do not provide in
death claims, bancrupty etc..

Any of you guys have Trust account with Ubb,
are they reliable?

I am tempted to try as FD rate is getting lower..
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post Jul 6 2019, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(Ysabel @ Jul 3 2019, 12:21 PM)
Hi,

My fren intro this cash trust to me as well.
UBB is a trust company which established more than 30years in market. This Cash trust launched since 2014, 3 years tenure, with bankruptcy proof, creditor proof and tax free benefits as normal trust. So far every year the trust giving 7% return per year. The return will be direct transfer to our bank account. Now they having promo for the fee reduce to 1%, i dont know whether your banker got inform u.

For me, it more worth than FD since the return rate is higher, it can be my another savings option. The only thing is if u premature withdrawal will have penalty. If u looking for mid-long term savings plan, it can be your choice.  smile.gif

Just my own sharing, hope it helps. biggrin.gif
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high risk product, i give it a miss
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post Jul 16 2020, 12:16 AM

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post Jul 17 2020, 02:22 PM

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agents are actively recruiting people to join
now that FD rate so low.

Just wonder what kind of investment they do,
so brave can tell people it is capital protected,(investment safeguarded by equal value asset mean the same??)

And can get NETT 7.5% first year and 8.0% 2nd year

Like that might as well go take loan put all in themselves, why need to sell..


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post Jul 17 2020, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Jul 17 2020, 02:20 PM)
If I may offer my interpretation.

You put your money in a trust, not solely for investment, but to ' protect' it against events/circumstances that are provided in relevant Acts.

The Act also provides/mandates that the money is to be invested as per the trust deed. That gives the company leeway how it wants to invest provided you sign the trust deed with all the relevant provisions.
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Yes i also feel the same
trustees have more leeway compared to licensed investment managers.
if their investment got cheated, and they need lawyers etc to get back your capital,
all those expenses will be billed to investor,

i hate the word Donors used in agreement
Donors and expect to make big 7-8% profit.........?

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post Aug 21 2021, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(ASF1984 @ Aug 20 2021, 01:11 PM)
From my understanding, UBB Amanah is a lender to most of the MOF approved factoring companies. 

The majority of these factoring companies only support invoices that are guaranteed by either the government, or by large listed corporations like TM, meaning that the risk of a NPL is minimal (albeit, there is still a risk).

Many (I dont know a %) of companies awarded government cleaning and security contracts rely on factoring for cashflow, and there are literally thousands of these contracts.

The factoring companies can return between 18-36% p.a, so would likely borrow from UBB at between 12-14% p.a.
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QUOTE(ASF1984 @ Aug 21 2021, 07:43 AM)
Planworth and Ikhitar generally charge a 2% upfront fee for lending, plus around 1% per month until the invoice has been settled.
They lend between 80-90% of invoice value.  The invoice is "sold" by the contractor to the factoring company, meaning that the government pays directly to the factoring company.
They take out what they are owed, and remit the balance to the contractor.

Contractors use these factoring companies due to their fast approval times to enable them to pay immediate obligations such as payroll and minimal collateral requirements.
 
Contractors have very few options, as these factoring companies can provide capital within 4 working days where as commercial banks may take 1-6 months for approval as well as requiring heavy collateral.

The products offered by commercial banks are far less suited to these objectives when compared to those companies that focus solely on providing cashflow to companies with government related contracts. 

I do not know much about Kenaga Factoring, but do note that they make an effort to avoid mentioning rates on their website.

Hence, I don't see UBB being a scam, but rather they have found a niche in a particular market that can absorb a lot of capital.
I don't know who else is filling this void?

That said, an investment in UBB is not risk free.

There are potential collection issues is a contractor is bankrupted or wound up or any other situation where their accounts are frozen.

Contractors can be terminated or heavily penalized by the government for poor performance.  It would be possible for a factoring company to lend more to a contractor than what they are paid (say a contractor invoices for RM100,000.  Factoring company will lend 85% or RM85,000.  Government imposes a poor performance penalty of 30%.  Factoring company gets paid RM70,000 but has already lent RM85,000).  Though this can be mitigated by having a minimum duration of factored invoices (say if it for a cleaning contract that has a monthly invoice, the factotring company can have a minimum of 12 invoice factored concurrently.

There is a potential for the government to tighten up their procurement process and only award contracts to companies with substantial cash reserves, essentially eliminating the need for factoring, and trapping UBB with excess funds that they are unable to loan.

Do your home work and know your risks.
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your postings are very informative..... thumbsup.gif vour area of work? or you researched specifically on them?
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post Jul 16 2022, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jul 15 2022, 01:55 PM)
👍👌 Thanks for that link,...
But not good, not good for forummers on lyn.
That articles uses snap shorts of our comments/postings and images attached in lyn,.... For part of the content of the article to support his argument to justify the topic of his article.
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would that infringe copy right of Lowyat ?? quite a brave fellow doing that in the open, he must have big grudge against the UBB.....

 

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