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Ultimate Discussions of ASNB Fixed Price UT, Magical UT only in Malaysia
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vanitas
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Aug 30 2019, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(o0o0 @ Aug 30 2019, 05:39 PM) so can stop everyday capcha d. next year will drop to 4.XX%, same rate as Bank Rakyat FD, might as well dump money into Bank Rakyat, no need waste time capcha Waiting you to dump all first.
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vanitas
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Aug 30 2019, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Aug 30 2019, 06:35 PM) Asm2 next year sure lower as pool bigger and they just print the digit like Ponzi scheme into your account. If ask to withdraw, sure not enough cash. Sure lower = you got a crystal ball, should short klse. Not enough cash = yes, even for epf and bank.
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vanitas
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Aug 30 2019, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(Orchid beauty @ Aug 30 2019, 09:24 PM) Next year 4.5% FD 2.8%. Worse yet to come Maybe 1.25% only like Tabung Haji. Anything can happen. It can declare 0% according to its rule.
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vanitas
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Aug 31 2019, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Aug 31 2019, 09:03 AM) Suggest u all also blast email to pnb to flood them. Else they will think 5% is acceptable then other funds will follow suit . They like to test water to feel people sentiment. Don’t wait u do or I do ... we all unite and do. Waiting you to write email first, then we copy paste.
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vanitas
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Aug 31 2019, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(Bora Prisoner @ Aug 31 2019, 09:15 AM) 5% damn bad!!!! Time to sell everyone !! Yes, very bad. Please sell all.
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vanitas
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Aug 31 2019, 10:35 PM
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It was funny the expert claims based on calculation it should be x%. Then ask people to email complain/feedback asnb because it really pay x%.
I got no idea what these people really want.
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vanitas
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Sep 1 2019, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Sep 1 2019, 12:15 AM) amount receive below my calculation. either it does not include transaction on the first day of the month or calculation until purchase on Jul 1. Someone does report before, (top up at) first day of the month doesn't count towards dividend for that month. This post has been edited by vanitas: Sep 1 2019, 12:27 AM
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vanitas
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Sep 2 2019, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(veera77 @ Sep 2 2019, 10:49 AM) No bro..im putting in my own EPF account...and done my nomination. i-Saraan scheme link https://www.kwsp.gov.my/ms/member/contribution/i-saraanYes, have to do some calculation..lets wait ASM3 dividend first..if 5 or below...EPF here I’m incoming to you  https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...ola-suggestionsNot sure will it affect EPF withdrawal age at the future.
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vanitas
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Sep 21 2019, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 21 2019, 05:38 PM) To be honest, are these kind of out-of-the-system transactions legal? QUOTE(neverfap @ Sep 21 2019, 05:49 PM) I doubt its legal. That's why we can't have nice thing  Introduced transfer system, the ppl will abuse it. QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 21 2019, 06:01 PM) willing buyer willing seller. don't think terms and conditions mention anything about that. btw, even at 5% people still buying from PM. 1.5% for FP is peanuts. The term involved is AUTHORIZED seller. Agent banks are, but you are not. Think about was it legal to setup a business (assume you got 100m in FP) to sell FP fund at 5% commission? It is the same at individual scale and lower commission.
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vanitas
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Sep 21 2019, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 21 2019, 10:40 PM) if sell off the available units at 5% profits....will it be sort of killed the gold egg laying goose? 1 time profits of 5% but lose the opportunity to have risk free and yearly get 6% ROI, while searching high and low for no risk and 6% pa ROI investment vehicle :thumbsup: I think that transfer form also did not stated the "unrelated" person criteria. You got 5m profits to hire a lot of people keep spam for more units as a BUSINESS.
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vanitas
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Sep 21 2019, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 21 2019, 11:05 PM) employing people for that 5% profits? getting 1K is already not easy, the UNITS you sold are actually transferred, thus not on sale in the market Then setup a platform for buyer and seller to do the tranfer transaction, take 0.5% commission as platform fee + seller commission for himself set by seller. The point is it wasn't legal.
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vanitas
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Sep 21 2019, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Sep 21 2019, 11:10 PM) selling and reselling is not authorised....thus not legal transferring is not legal? Transferring is legal. But no one will sell to public without taking profit i.e. selling which is illegal (or unauthorized is a better word).
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vanitas
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Sep 21 2019, 11:16 PM
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Also for anyone claimed willing buyer and willing seller, the same applies to illegal 4D betting. When you are not authorized, it is illegal, as simple as that.
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vanitas
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Sep 21 2019, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 21 2019, 11:20 PM) diff ppl may have diff views. doesn't mean that if you don't take profit it's legal, and if you take profit then it's illegal. in fact, why do you think transferring is allowed between unrelated persons? The question isn't why you can but why not? You can transfer your house/money/organ to unrelated person too if you want. Transfer organ isn't illegal, selling is. This is the law, the rule. And the rule is only authorised agent can sell for asnb case. This post has been edited by vanitas: Sep 21 2019, 11:29 PM
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vanitas
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Sep 21 2019, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Sep 21 2019, 11:32 PM) exactly. personally, do you think asnb has in mind that unrelated people will transfer their units for free? in fact, anybody will do so? put it this way, can any action be taken against people who sells their units to another person? is it in the terms and conditions of the transfer? but personally, i won't do such thing. it may be unethical, but illegal wise - grey area imo. They can't set the rule transfer only for related people as this is not seen even on EPF, house etc. This is your freedom. Anyway, I would agree it is grey area. For example, I can take your 4d betting personally, and no one will ever bother. A lot of people selling organ under the table for the rich, and very less get caught. In Malaysia I would call it grey, but in first world countries where implementation of rules and law are strict, I think it will be clearly defined as legal or illegal just like crypto for example. This post has been edited by vanitas: Sep 22 2019, 12:00 AM
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vanitas
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Sep 22 2019, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(gedebe @ Sep 22 2019, 02:18 PM) meaning I can still sell, even there is no buyer? To add on, it is as with any unit trusts, they are liquid, can sell anytime, not only ASNB functions this way.
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vanitas
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Sep 23 2019, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Sep 23 2019, 11:14 AM) i think he wrongly reply to you. i also find it weird last nite I think he literally means don't blame anyone who did direct deal if you can't get units by spamming captcha. Not wrongly reply, but could phrase it better. This post has been edited by vanitas: Sep 23 2019, 11:39 AM
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vanitas
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Sep 23 2019, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(ziniowong @ Sep 23 2019, 12:14 PM) Those ppl from FB groups keep encourage friends to buy... Sure more competitive la....mau share for more virtual likes then complain no units. Apa lagi u org mau If I understand correctly, actually they complain couldn't get big units e.g. 30k per shot, not complain no unit at all. Usually I ignore those comments, but some will feed the comments and make it like everyone complain no unit.
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vanitas
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Sep 23 2019, 04:16 PM
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Seriously, this thread will soon belongs to kopitiam again. Keep on argue, keep on emotional.
If you want to prove it is legal to do so, just email asnb and get an official reply. I am just sharing my own opinion to those who doubt the legality. I am not the official from asnb, nor what I claimed is 100% correct. You can don't believe, ignore but not personal attack. I don't even pin point the seller or buyer. And digging one's old post is nothing personal?
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vanitas
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Sep 23 2019, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Sep 23 2019, 04:20 PM) ok bro you win, illegal it is. hope those who try to profit from this get prosecuted by the according to the act (maybe you can help me with this, which act is it ah?) anyways, let's go back to the main topic of "Ultimate Discussions of ASNB Fixed Price UT" ok? today consider no fish, only few k harvest. how is your catching today? got units ka? Did I force you to believe it is illegal, or did I claimed someone need to be jailed for that? The rule is only authorised person can sell. And when you are not authorized, but sell it via creative way, we can call it as illegal. As for asking for which act, ask those who sit for unit trust consultant exam, why they need to get the license at all.
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