paul have just post this.....

the front part looks like gen 2 ma....
the rear so ugly.....

looks interesting, hve to wait and see the actual "product"...

the rear bonnet is from Waja?

im the 1st to post there....

the back looks awful..

front bonnet look like gen 2, rear like savvy and middle look like saga... the whole look like rojak

personal opinion, tak cantik pun..

if that car comes with 4 disc brakes with abs and airbags, say bye bye to myvi or viva

i complaint from paultan

"the back looks very flat leh?"

same wit every ppl..bad back design.

Can't really see the front part. The back looks weird. The body is badly proportioned. Not really sporty looks. Not exactly luxurious looking too..

Well, I'll have to see the actual product to comment more about it..

to be frank the car don't seem to be very aerodynamic.. quite boxy shape..

cut the back.. awful..

This post has been edited by zhixin: Jun 28 2007, 03:53 PM

'luxurious' IS'NT SUPPOSE TO BE THERE.....cheap car maa....

a stretched savvy, that is..

The backlights look more like the Arena ... Proton's MPV???
The car is kinda retro in design since not many curves and lots of sharp edges on the body. Maybe the interior will be amazing ... let keep out fingers crossed for proton and VW's sake ...

it is a BLM after all, what do you want from it? sporty? luxurious? it's like asking that from a City or Vios.

honestly, people have unrealistic expectations. wanna be cheapskate, but want everything...

it doesn't look like a MPV at all..

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Added on June 28, 2007, 4:15 pmppl are just commenting on the design.. that's wat ppl do best.. comment..

This post has been edited by zhixin: Jun 28 2007, 04:15 PM

somehow got honda city look

the car still cover with plastic.. can't comment about the look yet but for sure it will looking better than current Saga... just worry it will look as ugly as Sawi..

wat engine they going 2 put inside?? Campro? Renault??

rumors said they're going to put in 1.3 campro (maybe with VIM)

but i thought campro engine is more expensive right?? if compare to savvy dont think tis car will below 40k imo..

BLM stands for what?

wat is BLM?

they keep building cheaps cars... cant they do something else, why always come out with something dumb... sien

not sure though.. i heard it from one of my relative's friend few days ago, hes working under RnD dept of proton

BLM = baseline model

With current situation, no need for them to make expensive car.
Malaysian wont buy it. Who gonna buy Proton when they can afford an Accord?

dude, they can't even get cheap cars right, you want them to venture to luxury expensive cars?

one by one lah. take it slow. they suffered under the previous management. now new management is giving it a new lease of life.

BLM is gonna be fitted with Campro 1.3...

the cheaper BLM will be plain campro and the higher version BLM will be campro 1.3 with CPS....

campro 1.3 (94HP)
campro 1.3 CPS (97-98HP)

easily one of the more powerful 1.3 engines around.....

naah.. i guess he wanna this BLM to have features like LED lights or 90 degrees door open that is not dumb right..

why 90 degrees door opening when the boot is obviously much bigger then the car that can open door 90 degrees....

360 degrees boot opening maybe can attract buyers

360 degree itu pintu sudah rosak la

Why not. People really impress when a door can open at 90 degrees?

btw, i really sure that the boot have a lip spoiler.

as usual, the higher spec of BLM will have the goodies


edit: quite reliable source did mentioned airbags and abs for the higher spec BLM...

This post has been edited by kcng: Jun 28 2007, 05:41 PM

Normal version should have airbags and abs too.
Higher spec with more safety features. That can kill any low end model.

any of u guys heard that there is any van that look like SUZUKI APV coming out?..only manage to get the c back, is tall as APV and as skinny as APV and the rear light is something like kenari style...coz this morning saw one on federal highway, didn't have enuff time to take out camera..

just wait and see ler... july is just a few days away...


dont think normal version will have airbags and abs...

fyi, those are not plastic.. those are duct-tapes..

Lol, i actually hate the 90 degree door opening. Higher chance of your car of getting hit/scratch when a Viva is parking next to you.

higher chance let me tear the door oso if someone open the door big big..

what 4 open door so big..wan scratch ppl car ah

BLM -baseline model?
meaning new model starting from scratch..sort of..

why the rear lights look so small? front one still look ok. hope the end product will be what most of us wanna see. not another juara i hope.

how much how much Rm40? wira pun lebih cantik

The front and middle do look like Gen2 + Savvy...
Looks ok...except the back design is out of place...looks weird!

another fugly car from proton

Can't they just hired some artistic designer >.>


This post has been edited by Morpheusyeng: Jun 28 2007, 08:45 PM

our malaysian style
rojak mixer
lol
that y i like rojak

Sometimes really wonder who design Protons...
If u see those prototypes they produce, they look damn nice!
But when come to production cars, CRAP!!!

hahaha, crap cars..

prolly no money to hire proper designers lol .

Have to wait until launch to see what it really looks like. It's not going to be a great since it is a low cost car. If the price is below 30K for manual standard then people will definately buy this.

When launched most people said Honda City is an ugly stunted car.
Same goes to Nissan Latio sedan.

Now the car is heavily disguised. We could only imagine hwo the back looks like. all those black tapes are there so ppl wont know how the car looks like.

How we say the car is ugly when the end result is not even shown yet. We could only wait and see when they launch it.

This post has been edited by haze: Jun 28 2007, 09:16 PM

Actually, base-line-model doesn't has to be very nice, nor too ugly. Most important thing is to make sure it is pleasing to our eyes. Yea, it's just a BLM, but it can be a pleasant looking BLM. Just hope it gets better when they launch it..

This post has been edited by Aquanox28: Jun 28 2007, 09:19 PM

Well, the ovarall shape at the back already is fugly. Dont even need to see how's the car outlook is going to be in the final production stages....

unless they do some big modifications on the back there.. if not.. it's another savvy ..

Within 3 pages of comments, i think half talks about the rear...
I would like to see it without the duct tapes on, with those tapes on seriously we're not getting sny clear picture on how the rear is gonna look like, what we can see is that it's just squarish...

Hmm, many tends to forget this is the BLM, which means the Baseline Model. Since when are baseline models fitted with all those luxury and have Pininfarina styling?

Seriously, if this car comes with the Campro 1.3 with CPS, Dual Airbags, ABS and EBD and is price within the current Savvy's range, i'd give it a serious consideration.

I have a thought that the rear will look like Waja

It will be quite decent if the rear were to look like the Waja.
Btw, i was quite impressed by the Artist Impresion on the BLM in PaulTan. That design doesn't look bad at all eventhough it's just an extended Savvy.

Any price estimation????

There goes another model. 90 degree doors? better scissor doors la. jimny can open up to 140 degrees.

1.3 is still under power. put 5 fat man and load of luggages, and you'll take 1 day to travel from ipoh to KL

1.3 Campro with CPS should be able to pull out >95bhp, for a small car i do not see it being so bad considering the current LMST doesn't even have this amount of horsepower, so as the Iswaras. 5 fat man and load of luggages, then you gotta find a big fat car with loadsa trunk space...

wah.. so fast give this car "hukuman mati" liao meh?

well dont u know that the campro 1.3 has 94hp@6krpm and 120nm@4krpm. Now we know that campro has problem with its low end torque, but with the implemention of CPS it will fix that torque problem and also raise its hp by 2-3hp.

This practically makes the campro 1.3 the more powerful 1.3l engine out there. I guess the closest rival for this car is the myvi which outputs 85hp@6krpm and 116nm@3200rpm

To say this car is underpowered then others 1.3l cars are definitely not true. Well just wait for cps to come out and see the result

This post has been edited by haze: Jun 28 2007, 10:33 PM

wait and see............i bet the proton guys put black tapes on it to cover the lines....so with this pics...it looks flat..lineless...

Chyan, u have a nice looking sig there. U DIY?
Btw, why don't u take the photos, photoshop them and make some lines appear so that we can all get a less flat lineless look...

yeah i agree with u chyan. The car is heavily masked using the black tape even the rear lights also could barely be seen. IF u see clearly also the boot is also unnaturally flat becoz of the masking tape. Proton sure did a good job hiding the true look of the car.

And here ppl have given the axe to that car even without seeing it firsthand.

yeah..the bootlid suppose to place the number plate but they decided to position it on the bumper so that we wont see the perfect pic.....

BTW, no DIY to my sig...got it somewhere...

i'll TRY to reder and photoshop it.....

dun look as attractive... but since it's a basline model den i think de look is okla considering it's de replacement for de current proton saga (saga in de current baseline model)... it's definitely much better den de current saga as in terms of look (as can be seen de shape and de doors design) and more powerful 1.3 CAMPRO (94bhp as mentioned in de forum)... if properly made it could be a threat to perodua cars in de market... looking 4ward 2 it

Agreed, the Boot was taped into disguise on purpose. Chyan, u noticed that too that the plate should be positioned on the bootlid. If you look closer you'd realise that.

I'm waiting for your photoshopped pics...Hopefully less axes will be in this time...LOL

Hahaha...look at this guys.





http://renault-logan.eastrolog.com/renault...an-interior.php

This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jun 28 2007, 11:27 PM

wah, where u got these? the real pic of the car?

really look like that renault..

This post has been edited by zhixin: Jun 28 2007, 11:42 PM

the whole butt has been covered by hard board ... or some hard material .
be happy abit , it is not so flat .

it's a renault la... Dacia Logan is a cheaper version of cars sold under different name in Europe for buyers that prefer economical cars... really cheap and bare cars in Europe

What i mean is, maybe we can imagine the rear design. U can tell that by looking at the rear light, boot and bumper design. Maybe not same 100% but still identical to Logan.

i got a feeling that it going to look ugly...

1.3 campro with cps is rated at 98-99 BHP...

myvi WITH DVVT on wheel is just a puny 55HP, that with KNN drop in and lightened crank pulley...

campro 1.3 WITHOUT cps stock on wheel is able to get you close to 88HP.....

so go figure....

pics of chart will be posted when i get my hands on it....

This post has been edited by kcng: Jun 29 2007, 01:21 AM

Azuma-Kun, nice one there.
Looks like it's gonna be based on the Logan platform after all.
And the 1.3 Campro with CPS will be able to pull out more horsies than the standard 1.6 Logan engine.
And it doesn't look that bad after all.

Btw kcng, thanx for the facts.

With light mod, 1.3 CPS campro can get more than 100hp

This post has been edited by Azuma-kun: Jun 29 2007, 12:49 AM

Although the campro 1.3 has more HP than typical 1.3 engines, i still doubt on why there underpower issues esp on the gen2 1.3. Could it be the mismatch of the gearbox? I know proton auto gearbox is a poor product frm mitsubishi.

oh gosh they really look a like especially the rear part before the butt and after the rear door... UGLY! yucks..,urgghh

Hmm, considering the Logan is a pretty small car, i wonder will it be too much to actually have the Campro with CPS powering it. I mean, 98/99BHP for such a small car, won't it be a little, errr...dangerous?

I dont think so. Many small cars with big hp out there.

no problem dude...


100HP for a 1.3 CPS campro is indeed a posibility but to convert it all to the wheel is another issue


the gen2 1.3 is because of the gearbox mismatch......
u try out the neo 1.3 manual and see


nope, its the driver that will make the car dangerous....

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Added on June 29, 2007, 1:06 amAs promised,

campro 1.3 dyno chart



i will get the myvi chart up tomorrow cuz my fren is asleep now....


call him, he din pick up


This post has been edited by kcng: Jun 29 2007, 01:06 AM

-Edited: double post-

Screw TMnut Scremyx

This post has been edited by @meno: Jun 29 2007, 01:39 AM

lol
double post


anyway, suzuki swift is quite small too but its 1.5 VVT engine is able to push out 100++ HP.....

so, no it wont be dangerous but again the driver will make it dangerous

Ok, screw TMNut Screamyx...Will edit the double post...

Hmm, i agree too that it depends on driver's driving style.

how about kancil turbo with 83hp? i try to ask my fren post the dyno chart..
but my fren drive his car +-80km/h, so slow~~~

we are talking about stock car here ler....

and this topic is about the new baseline model (BLM) from proton

looking at the 1st photo, i have an impression that the rear seats legroom are going to be quite tight...

The doors are definitely carry-overs from the Savvy but I don't see any other similarities... Hope it looks good...

ehh..sorry2..i juz came back from other planet..is BLM new product by PROTON?? never heard pun

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Added on June 29, 2007, 11:02 amaduii..with this look,even wif 4 disc break with price 50-60 rather to buy myvi..

This post has been edited by bravobronzo: Jun 29 2007, 11:02 AM

lets compare the diffs........

where is the dyno chart for the myvi. i cant wait to see the 'powerfulness' of DVVT.

Anyway the campro is really a powerful engine. Even with a normal no valve variable mechanism its able to output so much power with the CPS i think that campro could be the one of the best engine out there. And also the torque problem will be fixed