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kuchaikway
post Dec 28 2019, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Cosentino Malaysia @ Dec 27 2019, 07:55 PM)
Hi there,
It is great to have a 4G glass panel for door, but have it ever cross your mind to use sintered stone to furnished your door? We have homeowner who opted for stone for their counter top but not the entire cabinet as to have a uniform look as there is not much of an option in the past till now. 
We have sintered stone that comes with a thickness of 4mm, designed to clad on your aluminium door frame or even a full size door so to speak! 
<a href='https://pictr.com/images/2019/12/27/5oq5NQ.md.jpg' target='_blank'>https://pictr.com/images/2019/12/27/5oq5NQ.md.jpg </a>
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looks nice. Just curious these are under Silestone brand or other brands under you? Approx pricing for budgetary purpose?
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post Feb 6 2020, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(ianlti @ Feb 6 2020, 11:13 AM)
I am building my own cabinet after surveying those offered locally if they make according to my design and specification it will cost me nearly 30-40k. I did consider IKEA but their standard size unable to fit in my cabinet area without looking odd.

The reason is their Subcon charged mobilizing cost+ management cost, which also added up the total cost. those who supply and install solid tops already expected those requests will have the capability to fulfill it with minimum cost, so is not apple to apple comparison.

Not everyone will know how to value IKEA product, they think all are made equally compared to those local vendors. if IKEA's product is so bad in value why can they keep opening stores worldwide, why do we see any cabinetmakers able to achieve what IKEA had.

Ikea uses 18mm E1 or E0 grade particleboard. most cabinet makers only offered 16mm e2 grade unless specified. their doors are all vacuum PVC MDF boards which why those doors cost a lot more compared to standard melamine edge banding doors.

Vacuum PVC door will have minimal joints between edging will create fine looking finishing.
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When is IKEA the benchmark furniture? They are everywhere because they are cheap elsewhere except third world countries. Go to US and see what people think of IKEA furniture. Only people here think it is God send.

Melamine is melamine. Granted IKEA's melamine is better melamine but it is still melamine. Wont last long time vs solid wood for example. IKEA furniture in Malaysia is not really cheap. I go to IKEA to see and get decoration ideas and bought some items but I would hardly call it as benchmark or reference.


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post Feb 6 2020, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(ianlti @ Feb 6 2020, 11:13 AM)
well, I always tell my friends who are renovating, Ikea cabinet system is a world standard system you can always use them as a benchmark to compare(they provide 25years warranty too which brand can do that?).


Not everyone will know how to value IKEA product, they think all are made equally compared to those local vendors. if IKEA's product is so bad in value why can they keep opening stores worldwide, why do we see any cabinetmakers able to achieve what IKEA had.

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QUOTE(ianlti @ Feb 6 2020, 12:18 PM)
No offense but I think you misunderstand my statement, maybe you should re-read my statement.

Anyway, how many people can afford solid wood furniture in Malaysia do you have the same buying power compared to us?

Melamine is mechanically more stable than solid wood the issue is that if the finishing of melamine is bad it will tend to have exposure to moisture and cause it to swollen.

IKEA furniture has different grades too(wardrobe 10years, kitchen 25 years), it depends on what you are comparing to. What is most important to the majority of people is the value of the product.
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I read your statements all right. It is fine if you think IKEA is good. They do have some items on sale that are good value. It has big sophisticated machines that can make even cut of materials and decent looking. But I would not say it is "world standard" system. Even IKEA itself never claim themselves to be high end but functional Scandinavian design.

IKEA's melamine furniture is as expensive as plywood furniture made from local cabinet makers. I guess for u you will choose IKEA's melamine since it is world standard? I would say some others would go for stronger and better moisture resistance plywood.

I merely addressing your assumption that IKEA keep opening stores world wide then their products must not be bad. I can give you many more examples of so so products that are popular vs equivalent competitors: Bose, Starbucks, McDonald, etc. Being popular does not equate to being best or reference.


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post Mar 13 2021, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(apalexar @ Mar 13 2021, 11:37 AM)
As long you always put down tableware gently then should be ok, also daily cleaning to maintain it smile.gif
But for quality about the brand then I'm not sure about it
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You don't know what you are talking about. SS sinks require more care and wipe down than granite sinks. SS will be probed to scratch too. Maintenance wise a granite sink is far easier to maintain than SS sink. I never have to clean my granite sink ever.

The advantages and disadvantages of these two type of sinks are discussed many times in many threads previously. It is down to individual preference.


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post Mar 13 2021, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(mista_amin @ Mar 13 2021, 10:29 AM)
Interesting. My wife is interested with Blanco granite Silgranit sink. Should we avoid this?  Anyone has any experience with Blanco Silgranit sink? Thanks in advance
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There are so many Blanco users in this forum. Whether SS or granite sink is down to individual preference. There are pros and cons of each of them.

You are asking if you should avoid Blanco but without saying the concerns. All I can say is if you are careless type that tend to bang delicate china or glass against the sink then SS sink is a better option. Then it is a matter of if one likes industrial SS look vs Stone look. Both fit any home or kitchen design usually but some kitchen designs may favor one over the other.
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post Mar 13 2021, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(apalexar @ Mar 13 2021, 05:51 PM)
Perhaps you have a cheap/bad quality SS sink previously, my current SS sink has better scratch resistant.
Sorry if I said anything wrong about the maintenance of a granite sink, but pretty sure you will have your glassware break easily if you don't handle it well smile.gif
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If you call Kohler a bad quality SS sink. Regardless of how better scratch resistant it will be scratched unless you put a protective mesh wire protector. I also have to use 3M SS cleaner to keep it from getting water marks and stains as I am lazy to do the wipe down every time after use.

I did say that granite sinks are essentially artificial stone. Thus any glassware hitting it hard will break. That is the con of the granite sink. However, granite sink is literally maintenance free.

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post Mar 13 2021, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(apalexar @ Mar 13 2021, 07:48 PM)
I'm having Itto handmade SS sink with nano tech, seems better than the Kohler SS sink you had. Btw perhaps you could recommend the brand/model of granite sink you're using since not every brands of granite sink will be the same.
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With due respect, your Itto is no way better than Kohler the same way a myvi is better than a BMW. May be you should provide your Itto's superior specs??

I happened to also installed Blanco sink for my wet kitchen so I know what I am talking about. I wouldn't say Blanco is the best but it is a solidly built sink that it is actually offering life time warranty for the product under normal use.
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post Mar 13 2021, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(apalexar @ Mar 13 2021, 08:53 PM)
Hmm I think you don't understand about nano tech SS sink, may refer to video above for explanation.

Yeah you might correct about the pricing which your Kohler is expensive than Itto or any other nano tech sink, but, at least it won't have those issues you mentioned on your Kohler sink, remember that a engine modified car can be much faster than a BMW wink.gif
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Nano tech application in sink is just adding another protecting layer to the ss. It is not a cure all solution. What you obviously do not understand is you can't mofify your sink the way you modify your kancil. Moreover you can turbo charge your car but whether you can make it stop in time is another issue.
The bottom line is you don't have a granite sink and you are making wrong assumptions about the sink. You have a cheap nano sink and you assume that it is better than a Kohler. You really need to learn more. I am still waiting for your greatest Itto specs.

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post Mar 13 2021, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(apalexar @ Mar 13 2021, 09:21 PM)
You're making wrong assumptions about SS sink as well, since you don't have a SS sink with nano tech.
Anyway let's just stop it here, conclusion is as long you're satisfied with your product and doesn't give you any trouble, then it's a great product; if it cause you trouble, it's a bad one regardless of its price.
Btw you can search the specs online if you want to know, it's not that difficult after all.

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Your ITTO product has no review, no published technical specs. No information on the company. No information on the nano technology used. If such information is readily available please publish it here.

 

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