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low yat 82
post Dec 29 2007, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 29 2007, 06:44 PM)
I was talking 'Extra' 3K-4K, if you put in FD 3.7% while Reit yield is 7.7%, you get the differential extra of 4K (not yet deducted the 15% witholding tax.
The risk is a bit higher than bond. Take it this way, basically you are owning the property and get the yield/return through the rental income.

No charges, only commission charges as same as buying/selling like normal shares.

Price fluctuation is minimal mostly. As if the Reit price goes lower, the higher the yield is which will be more attractive for investors.

The primary risk are :
1. Property value goes down (if this is the case then Reit market price will go down to reflect the valuation)
2. Rental rate goes down means lower yield for Reit holder
3. Can't get tenants, no return.
4. Sincerity of the property needs to be good to keep the property in good shape and attract tenants.

Take it this way, basically you are owning the property and get the yield/return through the rental income.
Yes, there are only a few Reit in Malaysia,still in infancy period.
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ic... wat ab d thingy u said ab 15% tax?

does it means d dividend that we get need to tax 15%?

so if d yield for a certain REIT is 7.7%, means d actual devidend shud b 7.7% x 85%?
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post Dec 30 2007, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Dec 29 2007, 08:59 PM)
ic... wat ab d thingy u said ab 15% tax?

does it means d dividend that we get need to tax 15%?

so if d yield for a certain REIT is 7.7%, means d actual devidend shud b 7.7% x 85%?
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It is withholding tax. Current system is 15% for local and 20% for foreginers.

Sorry to say, yes. 7.7% x 0.85 = Net yield 6.55% (still higher than normal FD)

There is a rumour back before budget that this industry is persuading gov to abolish the withholding tax or reduce it to promote Reit among investors but gov said nothing about it so most of the Reit price go down (mostly 3-5%, not that much also as previous rising due to potential cut in witholding tax) after the anticipated good news didn't materialise.

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post Dec 31 2007, 04:44 PM

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i bought 4 lot of AXIS @ 1.85 today
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post Dec 31 2007, 05:00 PM

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out of 170 lots traded, u got 4 smile.gif
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post Dec 31 2007, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Dec 31 2007, 05:00 PM)
out of 170 lots traded, u got 4 smile.gif
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ante,

how do u c that statistic? i know i got partially this morning, and another half more in the afternoon session
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post Dec 31 2007, 05:13 PM

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I'm going for REIT next year smile.gif Happy new year everyone.

how do u c that statistic? > no lar, i see total volume traded is 170 lot

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Dec 31 2007, 05:10 PM)
ante,

how do u c that statistic? i know i got partially this morning, and another half more in the afternoon session
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There are only 2 transaction done today both at 1.85 for Axis, Morning session traded 10 lots, afternoon another traded at 160 lots.
Axis is expected to give arounf 6-7 cents (half year distribution) around Feb when it discloses the lastest Q result of 31 Dec 2007.

After my lastest bought of 1.78, I queue again at 1.75, too bad didn't go down, it goes up straight away afterwards, may be need to wait next time liao.

For those interested in Reit, remember, Reit is sensitive to interest rate environment one especially the FD interest rate. Reit price has invert proportion with the direction of interest rate, generally or most of the time.

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post Jan 1 2008, 03:59 AM

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Most Malaysian REITs are in their infancy, so therefore there should be good upside potential. The lack of solid reit worthy properties is also another good thing. Me thinks industrial reits should be worth looking at as it shows potential within the next couple of years.
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Industrial REIT = ATRIUM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 31 2007, 05:18 PM)
There are only 2 transaction done today both at 1.85 for Axis, Morning session traded 10 lots, afternoon another traded at 160 lots.
Axis is expected to give arounf 6-7 cents (half year distribution) around Feb when it discloses the lastest Q result of 31 Dec 2007.

After my lastest bought of 1.78, I queue again at 1.75, too bad didn't go down, it goes up straight away afterwards, may be need to wait next time liao.

For those interested in Reit, remember, Reit is sensitive to interest rate environment one especially the FD interest rate. Reit price has invert proportion with the direction of interest rate, generally or most of the time.
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Hi Cherroy,

Kindly if you could explain why the FD rate can affect the price of REIT ? I understand above the rules of relationship between Bond & FD .. but this REIT is totally new to me.

Thanks
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QUOTE(WinDs @ Jan 1 2008, 02:47 PM)
Hi Cherroy,

Kindly if you could explain why the FD rate can affect the price of REIT ? I understand above the rules of relationship between Bond & FD .. but this REIT is totally new to me.

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In investment world all are highly affected by interest rate. That's why when you see Fed or central banks cutting interest rate time, stock goes up while if interest goes up time, stock and bonds are tumbling.

Easy example when FD interest is at 7% while Reit yield is 7%, do you want to buy reit? why put your money into more risk while getting the same return rate? make no sense.
But if FD interest rate is 3% while reit yield is 7% then reit become attractive in this scenario. At least you get the double return rate with some little extra risk exposure.
It applied to stocks market, bonds as well all other investment tool as FD interest rate is the benchmark for all. As if FD interest rate is high, why hassle and put more risk on you money, better put all in FD already.
The primary reason for people invest in stocks, bonds, reit, properties or whatever investment product is to get higher return than FD rate, that's one of the ultimate goal of investment. That's why market come out with the term of PE, yield calculation to make a risk reward comparison with the interest rate environment.


Added on January 8, 2008, 3:04 pmAxreit is going to distribute 7.53 cents of second half period. Not bad. Price shoot up a bit liao to 1.91 after the distribution announcement.

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post Jan 9 2008, 11:15 AM

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AXIS reit is really cheonging la
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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jan 9 2008, 11:15 AM)
AXIS reit is really cheonging la
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Final distribution of income of 7.53 sen per unit each (of which 7.49 sen per
unit is taxable and 0.04 sen per unit which has been subject to tax at REIT
level is tax exempt in the hands of unitholders) in respect of the six-month
period ended from 1 July 2007 to 31 December 2007.

Ex-Date : 21 Jan 2008

thats the reason why.. brows.gif
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post Jan 9 2008, 12:12 PM

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may i know when is ATRIUM going to announce their quarterly result?
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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jan 9 2008, 12:12 PM)
may i know when is ATRIUM going to announce their quarterly result?
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Should be this month end based on its past record. Reit company generally is quite fast in reporting their financial result due to more straigh forward and relatively simple accouting compared to those manufacuring, services or multi-national company.
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ok la, i think it's time to add on more ATRIUM REIT


Added on January 9, 2008, 5:02 pmOMG, Axis is now only 1.8!!! time to buy!!!

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jan 9 2008, 02:50 PM)
ok la, i think it's time to add on more ATRIUM REIT


Added on January 9, 2008, 5:02 pmOMG, Axis is now only 1.8!!! time to buy!!!
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Yup, suddenly shoot down so much, morning high is 2.00, close at 1.80 with massive selling. Below 1.80, I, personally would add more on it.
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post Jan 10 2008, 03:55 PM

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ya, i'm queing to buy 7 lot @1.80!!!!
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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Jan 10 2008, 03:55 PM)
ya, i'm queing to buy 7 lot @1.80!!!!
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For Axis,
cuurently, here is 2 distribution, 7.53 cents final, 0.75 cents for 2008, ex on 21 Jan.
After the revaluation of its 3 properties, NTA stood at 1.625.
If the it can repeat the 4th Q of 3.9 cents and performs better in the future, yield will be around at 7.5-8.0%.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 10 2008, 04:51 PM)
For Axis,
cuurently, here is 2 distribution, 7.53 cents final, 0.75 cents for 2008, ex on 21 Jan.
After the revaluation of its 3 properties, NTA stood at 1.625.
If the it can repeat the 4th Q of 3.9 cents and performs better in the future, yield will be around at 7.5-8.0%.
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is that 0.75 cents per unit?..if got 10000 shares how much ahh? RM0.75 X 10000 = RM7500 ahh? rclxub.gif
that chun ahh? unsure.gif

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