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Jordy
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Dec 5 2009, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 5 2009, 10:30 PM) I would rather pick UOA. But price still so stubborn and the yield is around 8% only. But the properties are better diversified compare with atrium. darkknight81, You got your answer why I'm not mentioning about UOA now right? It's not that I am saying ATRIUM is better than UOA, but at current situation, ATRIUM is better than UOA for me.
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Jordy
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Dec 6 2009, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 6 2009, 06:33 PM) But atrium give me a lot of headache on its tenants renewal. Its more volatile. Put it this way, it will be the first Reits to close shop if there are another financial crisis. Everything happened for a reason, i believe thats the reason why atrium yield is higher compare with other reits. Not because it is undervalued. darkknight81, ATRIUM is indeed undervalued. The NAV is 1.04, at current price it is at 12% discount. If ATRIUM reaches its NAV, the yield will be back to around 8% (the average for REITs). I am sure the price will raise back to its NAV if given time. I am pumping another round into ATRIUM in a few more days.
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Jordy
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Dec 7 2009, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 6 2009, 11:04 PM) Market holds up on Atrium because risk of too little diversification, relied on 4 tenants on its 4 warehouses. (Can't blame them as well, 1 warehouse only can have 1 tenants, as compared to offices), as well as its fund size is too small by reit market standard. It is the first reit suffer DPU severe drop due to non-renewal of tenants, so people are wary on it, market is always like that, once bad performance, take significant time for it to recover or build up the confidence. While if not mistaken, there is another its warehouses reach the lease period in near term (can't verfiy as no update, or I have not came across on this issue, may be I missed something etc), so market wary about its DPU dropping risk, so discount on the reit price. If it turns out there is no renewal issue/problem, it is a rewarding at 10+% yield. I would say it is about risk reward ratio that market somehow quite right at current situation, as market is always concern on yield as primary factor, NAV is secondary. cherroy, Yes, your investment style is right. My investment style however, is to wait for the counter to reach its NAV. As market confidence would rise in ATRIUM's case (if nothing unfortunate happen again), then we could see the price get back to its NAV. The only problem is how long? The longer it takes, the more it will benefit me
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Jordy
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Dec 7 2009, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 7 2009, 08:08 AM) Jordy, Cherroy has answered what i meant  In term of risk atrium risk is the highest among the reits. I still prefer UOA. I am thinking of buying UOA soon. I can average it out every quarters. There are no right or wrong though. The most important part is we hold our own believe  We have our own path on investment darkknight81, Lets just assume that I could take up more risk, and I believe my decision will be rewarded
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Jordy
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Dec 9 2009, 02:48 PM
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Dec 9 2009, 10:11 AM) [attachmentid=1346125] Based on the image , at what price the company buy atrium share at? RM1 or RM0. jasonkwk, The shares were transacted in a different way, not the common buying/selling. So in other words, it's more like a 'free' transaction (transfer). Perhaps as a bonus? We'll just wait for their announcement.
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Jordy
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Dec 15 2009, 12:21 AM
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Dec 14 2009, 12:30 PM) axreit going to 1.93, anyone queueing?  It's so expensive leh. You want to queue at a price higher than its NAV? QUOTE(smartly @ Dec 14 2009, 01:24 PM) Atrium up 2sen.  smartly, And it will continue to creep up more, slowly. I have already mentioned in a few posts back that this is a chance not to be missed. I've bought all my units in 3 tranches below 0.80, so I have already made all my money. I am confident that it will reach its NAV.
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Jordy
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Dec 15 2009, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Dec 15 2009, 10:20 AM) I am hoping it will not rise so fast, so that i can accumulate more. Up again today. It will come down again in 1-2 days more, so that's the chance to accumulate. What I am worried is AXREIT now, it's been down 0.07 today.
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Jordy
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Dec 16 2009, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 15 2009, 02:27 PM) Someone need to 'clear stock'. Big gap between buyer and seller. cherroy, you mean AXREIT? QUOTE(IEE @ Dec 15 2009, 03:59 PM) AXREIT shot back up to 1.93 now. That is good news indeed. At least my networth now maintains
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Jordy
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Dec 16 2009, 02:45 PM
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Well, at current prices, I think I should stop buying REITs. I believe I have accumulated enough for the moment. Going into some undervalued property stocks instead.
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Jordy
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Dec 17 2009, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Dec 17 2009, 09:28 AM) AXREIT open at 1.9 is it overvalued? Is it useful to use Technical Analysis on REIT? Waiting for it to go down I still think AXREIT is at fair value at the moment. If it has positive revaluation on its properties this FY, then the NAV will increase. So lets see the latest revaluation.
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Jordy
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Dec 22 2009, 08:42 PM
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QUOTE(Grimm @ Dec 22 2009, 09:54 AM) Could use some clarification on the terminologies used frequently here. NAV = Net Asset Value right? How do you value the REITs? How do you ascertain the NAV? Are there any calculation methods? Yield = ? And how do you compare them or what do you compare them with, to see if they're not correctly valued at its true value?Thanks in advance. Grimm, There are 2 ways you can compare the yield for REITs:- 1. Direct comparison with FD rates (should be 2x - 3x better) 2. Compare with property rental rates (market is going at between 6% - 8% on average)
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Jordy
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Dec 22 2009, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE(Zack Styler @ Dec 22 2009, 10:39 PM) Is STAREIT a good buy at 0.8x cents? Zack Styler, At 8% yield, I would rather invest in other counters with the similar yield (i.e. HEKTAR, UOAREIT and AXREIT). You get better value and security than STAREIT.
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Jordy
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Dec 23 2009, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(RJdio @ Dec 23 2009, 08:32 AM) Probably not directly related - but whats the outlook on KLCCP ? Not a REIT per se but a property management company. Its been rather flatish for some time now. RJdio, Property developers have different business model. KLCCP (property developer) proposes and constructs buildings and then sell loose units or en bloc to earn the profit. REITs in the other hand, buy properties, hold and rent them out for long-term income. QUOTE(smartly @ Dec 23 2009, 11:08 AM) Atrium up 1 sen to 90sen.  Hope it break 90sen. QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Dec 23 2009, 11:25 AM) time to stop accumulating Atrium, looking at other REIT at more attractive price. ATRIUM will definitely break 90 cents once they have appointed the right candidate for the CEO post. At the moment, I don't think ATRIUM would go up any further. As I have mentioned before, I have stopped accumulating REITs and have shifted my attention to property sector. None of the REIT counters is trading at the valuation which attracts me.
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Jordy
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Dec 28 2009, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Dec 28 2009, 09:17 PM) Jordy, ATRIUM had break 90 sen today, closed at 92 sen. UOAREIT today got lots of activity, quite unusual. jasonkwk, That is what I'm afraid. ARM bought 2,000 units of ATRIUM. I hope it's not the force pushing the price higher. Furthermore, they were only buying small amount of ATRIUM shares, meaning no good news would be expected. QUOTE(smartly @ Dec 28 2009, 09:20 PM) That is usual as the economy picks up. Property is the reflection of the economic condition. As property is more sought after, REITs will be benefiting as they have the power to revise rentals upwards.
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Jordy
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Dec 29 2009, 06:24 AM
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Dec 28 2009, 11:48 PM) i just check through axis loss of opportunity income from nestle..... around 4 million per year. 7% income reduction if no tenants for 1 year. ante5k, Yes, that is correct. But AXREIT being the most diversified REIT at the moment, it can weather through this loss. I mean, what is this RM4mil compared to its earnings of RM60mil+? It can simply cover the loss of RM4mil through other properties. That is the beauty and benefit of diversification
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Jordy
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Jan 15 2010, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Jan 15 2010, 04:30 PM) Selling volume on Axreit.... i think this quarter result wont be that good. ante5k, People selling to lock in profit, it is completely normal as AXREIT has risen quite substantially and made a lot of people quick fortunes. It does not mean that this quarter's result will not be good. QUOTE(ante5k @ Jan 15 2010, 04:40 PM) addition of new shares , dilution for eps for this quarter. nestle house empty pending renovation works. There has been previous placements by AXREIT already, but has any of the placements diluted the EPS in a significant way? In fact, the more properties they accumulate, the better the economy, the higher the appreciation of its properties, the higher the NAV goes, the better it will be for long-term investors.
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Jordy
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Jan 16 2010, 07:43 AM
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QUOTE(kbandito @ Jan 16 2010, 12:00 AM) What is the reason for TowerReit and StarReit to trade at >25% off from their respective NAV? Probably a good news for ALAQAR's shareholders. The medical center they recently bought in Klang has been transacted successfully and the project is now starting to be revived. Construction will begin very soon.
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Jordy
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Jan 20 2010, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Jan 20 2010, 07:16 PM) Final distribution of income of 4.98 sen per unit (of which 4.62 sen per unit is taxable and 0.36 sen per unit is non-taxable in the hands of unitholders) in respect of the period from 29 August 2009 to 31 December 2009. Less than 5 cents. earning dilution by new shares + nestle gone. If not mistaken 4th quarter distribution is 99% of earning. the first 3 quarter is 95%. The dilution effect wasn't that great though. I am happy to see the gross income received this quarter increased by another RM2mil. A good sign is showing up that the next quarter will see another distribution of more than 4 sen. QUOTE(BrendaChee @ Jan 20 2010, 08:19 PM) so how much we will recevied from axreit? I mean the dividend after tax....and when? The witholding tax is at 10%.
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Jordy
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Jan 21 2010, 08:31 PM
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ATRIUM did it again, declaring better than expected distribution for this quarter. Its share price should maintain above 0.90, if nothing unfortunate happens again.
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Jordy
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Jan 22 2010, 04:10 AM
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QUOTE(BrendaChee @ Jan 21 2010, 10:52 PM) i do really like REIT rather than those goreng stocks. Planning to apply for Sunway REIT and also the capital land REIT. What do you think for this two coming ipo? Any opinion? We will have no comments on any upcoming REITs until their prospectus is launched. Until now they have not confirmed their listings and launched their prospectus if I'm not mistaken. So it is very hard to tell, not knowing the details of their portfolio.
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