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darkknight81
post Nov 21 2009, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 21 2009, 01:25 PM)
I bet YTL Power gives you enough headache hmm.gif
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nod.gif I am an engineer but studying those financing terms lol

Should take up ACCA instead of Engineering degree doh.gif

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post Nov 21 2009, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Nov 21 2009, 01:51 PM)
Lols. Let use figure to illustrate.
REIT company Level
Scenario 1
Let say REIT earn RM 10k from its business rental.  If the REIT declare all RM 10k from it earned as distribution in dividend, then this REIT company wont  have any chargeable income.meaning this REIT deemed to earn ZERO income for the year assessment.

Scenario 2
REIT earn RM 10k. But declare 8k only as dsitribution for dividend. RM10k-8k = RM 2k .THis RM 2k is taxable @ 26%, as per the normal coporate tax rate. Meaning 2k *0.26 =RM 520, to be paid to government.
Unit Holder Level

Assume, REIT has enough cashflow to declare dividend. Say this REIT has 10 shareholders with each shareholders holding 1 share only.

So as usual there are many type of shareholders. Say here, we have 5 share holders are individual investor and 5 more are coporate investor. So upon franking the RM 10k dividend:

Individual investor: They will share out the 5k/5 meaning each getting RM 1k. But REIT will deduce 10% from each of them acting on behalf IRB to collect the tax due to single tax div tier. Meaning each shareholder here will get RM1k* 0.9= RM 900 each.

Corporate Investor: Each will pocket RM 1k too. But REIT deduct 25% of from each of the corporate investor.
Meaning, RM 1k * 0.75 =RM 750 each will be pocketed by corporate investor.
And, the list goes on for other type of investor as stipulated.
Hope you guys understand=))
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We understand this lol . What we meant is there are still a lot of thing to learn if we really want to find out more laugh.gif
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post Nov 21 2009, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 21 2009, 05:40 PM)
It is a long term lease (15 years), 90+ million cost of acqusition with 8 million annual rental income.
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Wow then is good what about 9% yield and will be contributing more than 10% in future thumbup.gif
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post Dec 4 2009, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Dec 4 2009, 04:14 PM)
http://www.horizon.my/investor/reits.php
Compilation of all the REITs in Malaysia together with dividend yield, dps, gearing, market cap. properties portfolio and real time info biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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post Dec 4 2009, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Dec 4 2009, 11:09 PM)
Lols..nola..a website which I found it useful as it compiles all the real time data which includes all the DPS, D yield, Gearing,Ebit, Market Cap and etc etc. It reduce a lot of hassle for those investors that wanna know more in depth smile.gif  brows.gif
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But that is for general reference only. But anyway is a good link notworthy.gif at least we have a brief guideline
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post Dec 5 2009, 10:30 PM

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I would rather pick UOA. But price still so stubborn and the yield is around 8% only. But the properties are better diversified compare with atrium.

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post Dec 6 2009, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Dec 5 2009, 11:38 PM)
darkknight81,

You got your answer why I'm not mentioning about UOA now right? It's not that I am saying ATRIUM is better than UOA, but at current situation, ATRIUM is better than UOA for me.
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But atrium give me a lot of headache on its tenants renewal. Its more volatile. Put it this way, it will be the first Reits to close shop if there are another financial crisis. Everything happened for a reason, i believe thats the reason why atrium yield is higher compare with other reits. Not because it is undervalued.

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post Dec 7 2009, 08:08 AM

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Jordy,

Cherroy has answered what i meant nod.gif In term of risk atrium risk is the highest among the reits.

I still prefer UOA. I am thinking of buying UOA soon. I can average it out every quarters. There are no right or wrong though.

The most important part is we hold our own believe wink.gif We have our own path on investment

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post Dec 16 2009, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 16 2009, 11:16 AM)
Yup. and due to big cap between buyer and seller, you will see seller want to clear the stock, even discount few cents also never mind.

Stareit is under some selling pressure as well, may be due to the disposal news, as until now there is no new development on the acquisition part, as selling 2 of its main properties will means Stareit will have 1 billion of cash (or + preffered as published) while they only have 180 million of borrowing only.

Without new properties being injected back, yield might be temporarily being affected. Below 80 cents could be a bargain.
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80 cents??!!! ohmy.gif
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post Dec 30 2009, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(exia5733 @ Dec 30 2009, 05:47 PM)
As many have mentioned, low volume can be both a curse AND blessing. Not necessarily bad...
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If you plan to hold for long term and you are not going to use those money anytime soon then why care so much about the volume?
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post Jan 7 2010, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(lousai @ Jan 7 2010, 04:31 PM)
All sifu, i am having issue to buy any REIT as queeing to get 1000 shares seem cannot deal!

Any dvice..? as i am seeing the boat sailing away...again... cry.gif
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What so difficult?? If you really keen on it just buy it directly from the sell queue
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post Jan 18 2010, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 18 2010, 05:51 PM)
Not actually big, a couple of hundred to thousand lot transaction is not considered big. As ordinary fund manager when shifting their portfolio time, this kind of transaction is norm or sometimes classified as minor only.

Qcapital is having much more volume than Stareit today.
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Our moderator is giving tips already. Noted biggrin.gif
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post Jan 19 2010, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(espree @ Jan 18 2010, 08:18 PM)
Company Name : UOA REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT TRUST 
Stock Name : UOAREIT

Date Announced :15/01/2010 
EX-date        :29/01/2010
Entitlement date :03/02/2010

Entitlement in Currency :RM0.0568
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Wow almost 5% dividend ... no wonder the price going up yesterday.....

One of my favourite but so far haven't enter any yet doh.gif
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post Jan 23 2010, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(BrendaChee @ Jan 23 2010, 02:31 AM)
i am waiting for sunway REIT, i think if i can get the ipo, sure can gain....any idea how much the price will be?
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If there are sure things in investment do you think you still have the chance to get it ? laugh.gif

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post Feb 1 2010, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 1 2010, 03:32 PM)
Primary factor is always location.

If really want to choose between the option above, my view, health-care, as it is more customed made generally. But still location overwrite all the factors, as land is the most precious value of the asset, not the building.
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But not necessarily healthcare. As what i know KPJ REITS is owned by kpj hospital. Unless KPJ really close shop else KPJREITS don have worry for tenants issue. Correct me if wrong.
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post Feb 3 2010, 08:11 AM

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SIFU Cherroy,

I plan to enter some UOAREIT this week. Been eyeing this counter for quite sometimes. Any comment for this counter? You are holding some UOAREITS right?

1. OPR will probably goes up during march 2010 i am afraid this will affect UOA net profit as more $$ will be going into servicing interest hence will affect the reits pricing i believe. Other concern is when interest rates go up normally means cool down inflation which may leads to properties price come down. All these factors will have impact on reits pricing. Correct me if wrong.

2. Where can i get the latest debts to equity ratio among the reits ?

As i only manage to check on the latest yield and NAV of each reit.

http://m-reit.blogspot.com/

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post Feb 3 2010, 04:32 PM

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Enter 4,000 unit of UOA REITS biggrin.gif
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post Feb 3 2010, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Feb 3 2010, 05:51 PM)
bought some UOA yesterday, today 0.79% return  biggrin.gif
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What price you enter ? RM 1.25?

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post Feb 3 2010, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Feb 3 2010, 05:54 PM)
1.26 smile.gif
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Me 1.27 sad.gif
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post Feb 3 2010, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Feb 3 2010, 05:59 PM)
tongue.gif YTLP dividend can cover , I though it will go down today , but go up.now wait and see this 6 month, whether want to go in or not, because this REIT is not too liquid compared to other REIT.
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This type of counter can buy but don buy too many as if you dispose it in big amount you may not find enough buyers unlike ytlpower which has high liquidity. But UOA reits have better DY compare with YTLP.



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