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post Dec 12 2008, 11:03 AM

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If nothing goes wrong for the near term for Axreit, and its DPU for 2-3 years to come. At 15 cents, and price 1.00, a net 13.5% yield.

No doubt property sector will enter some cold winter period ahead, so don't expect any appreciation in price or capital, just hope for the sustainability of DPU is already very good enough to own.
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post Dec 12 2008, 11:18 AM

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It should be sustainability of DPU ahead which is the most important factor whether it is worth to buy/hold.

If can sustain, for the years ahead, don't need to care about the stock/reit market price.

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post Dec 12 2008, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 12 2008, 11:34 AM)
cherroy, in between REITS (AXREIT, to be precise) and plantation (considering KLK/BKAWAN), which one is worth getting?

for REITS = DPU is higher, around 10% or more, however, may expect a slow down in properties for the coming years due to economy downturn.

for Plantation = Rebounding of crude oil, however, DPU is around 6-7%. Price appreciation faster than REITS.

sorry for bringing plantation topic into reits thread.
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Share would be my choice because it has greater upside potential, (or sky is the limit should say) but still will dip a bit in reit, no harm getting some as well as long as DPU is good and sustainable.

Reit has not much upside potential, the most they can go is up to their NAV or slight above only, more than that, it is considered over-valued already. As the properties price (or reit NAV) is worth let say 100 millions, then why or it is no logic to buy the reit price that beyond its worth.

Reit = buy a property then rent it out, rental income is known and won't have surprise increase in rental. So income is stagnant.

Share = participating in business and profit can grow with no limit. But business can result in losses, unlike reit, as long as having tenants and rental which offset the management fee then it will make some profit already.
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post Dec 12 2008, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 12 2008, 11:40 AM)
I am from east malaysia though. How is the properties situation at west malaysia? It is over supply like US? tHAT is my major concern
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It depends what sector, for comercial, there are a lot of office building and spaces will be ready in near term or in this 1-2 years time. Some some over-supply can be expected and put pressure on office space rental, as well as economy slowdown which reduce the demand for it.

But property sector for residential still ok except for those high-end like a million and above one, will see some over-supply probably.
Residential sector particular on middle to low end one, won't be suffer too badly. Demand is always there, just may be having some minor hiccup here and there. In fact, for those strategic location, not much impact at all.

Just my opinion and in my area around.
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post Dec 12 2008, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Dec 12 2008, 04:25 PM)
already at 1 .. hmm will this counter has a support level?
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For those low volume stock, there is no such thing of support level. Support level is drawn from chart through technical analysis whereby you can spot the price level that lot of people willing to buy.

But this kind of stock is not popular and seldom being traded, so don't bother to look for those kind of analytical issue.

Now 1.00, so revised buying to 0.90 again? Haha, joking only.

Q'ing and wait for being thrown at.
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post Dec 12 2008, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Dec 12 2008, 04:40 PM)
i'm praying that it stay at this level till next year smile.gif
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I had a lower wish that it will able to pay 15 cents annually is enough already.
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post Dec 15 2008, 11:15 AM

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Wait till afternoon session, probaly you will get it. cool2.gif

It always tumble in the afternoon session, as sellers want to 'clear stock'.
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post Dec 16 2008, 10:12 AM

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Today, most probably can get Axreit at 1.00.
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 16 2008, 11:10 AM)
I think I understand about REITS... more or less...

Just a noob question. In current market, why REITS instead of good dividend stocks with possibility of higher capital appreciation?  hmm.gif
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No, stock has more room for capital appreciation. Reit is more about getting the distribution only.
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post Dec 16 2008, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 16 2008, 11:38 AM)
I understand. That's why I asked the question. If a stock has more room for capital appreciation and projected to give good dividends, why not go for those stocks rather than REITS? Of course, good dividend stocks are usually defensive and doesn't appreciate much, right?

As I understand it, REITS will give good distribution but like stocks, the dividends might not be that high, looking at current markets.

I just want to understand this part. If REITS has it's extra advantages, I want to get some too!  thumbup.gif

Just an example:
UCHITEC - current price 0.97. Target price RM2.00. Projected dividend FY09 - around 15%!  drool.gif (Tomato sauce : BNPP securities - market trends (Dec 2008))
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For normal stock, business needs to make a profit to pay you the dividend, so no profit, no dividend or can't sustain the dividend.
For reit, as long as there is tenant and rental, then you know the distribution is there.

For normal stock, company can go burst and become zero.
For reit, whatever, you still have the property left.

Actually can't compare directly between both as risk involved and nature of business/company is totally different.
It is more like compared apple and orange.
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post Dec 16 2008, 04:39 PM

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1.00 matched.


Added on December 16, 2008, 4:40 pmYou can see everytime, seller withdraw his/her Q to sell on buyer side.

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post Dec 17 2008, 09:43 AM

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Reits are under pressure lately especially Axreit as private placement high probably will be deferred which is not a good news.

Properties price will be softening, that's no doubt about it, so reit valuation will be cut as well.

Don't expect it can go up for near term as properties price need to have economy recovery to have some appreciation in value as well as rental.
Also commercial particularly office rental place will be over-supplied as some newer building will be into the market in near term.

So any interest in buying reit, be prepared to hold very long term before can see any fruit of it, provided bought at a cheap price and right stock/reit.
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post Dec 17 2008, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 17 2008, 11:24 AM)
But i can guarantee it is not the lowest.  sweat.gif
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Have the same feeling. icon_rolleyes.gif

It is long and painful journey ahead.
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post Dec 18 2008, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(vergil90 @ Dec 18 2008, 11:37 AM)
Yes, agree with that.  Ai ya don't notice this tread and going at 1.02 last week, suppose to queue at RM 1.00. The quarter ending 30 Sept stated that DPU is 3.81 cents. If the last quarter maintain we may get 7.6 cents. Hopefully can get 7.6*0.85 = 6.46cents (about 6.3% for my buying price + transaction cost), which is not bad.
I assume the 10% tax will only start 01/01/2009, correct me if i am wrong!
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Yes, 10% will only effective next year. This year still 15%.


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post Dec 18 2008, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Dec 18 2008, 02:05 PM)
Dear Cherroy,

AXREIT will announce result 3rd week of January, distribution pay out is end FEB. Will this be 10% tax deduction?

I'm confused, because AXREIT is annoucing 2008 financial report. but pay in 2009

so which is correct?
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As far as I know, no, it is treated on the financial calendar basis, not when they pay. They are paying the distribution that generated from 2008, then need to follow 2008 ruling. Unless they stated the payment/distribution date, then yes, which I don't think so, as haven't seen the proper wording of it the new rules, can't 100% sure of it.
Please bare with me.
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post Dec 19 2008, 03:55 PM

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LOL, buying too little at 1.00. laugh.gif
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post Dec 19 2008, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 19 2008, 08:54 PM)
Yup.... doh.gif at 4.30 thinking of grabbing some at RM 1.00 but only know that it shoot up to RM 1.06 already..... sweat.gif


Added on December 19, 2008, 8:56 pm

Don think so as this is not goreng type of counter. My view is the go up must be supported by some reason one...
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Today got some substantial buying force coming out to buy, intend to get the 7 cents DPU on Feb as well? brows.gif

Volume is pretty high today, more than 1 millions share changing hand.
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post Dec 22 2008, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Dec 20 2008, 10:31 PM)
I wanna ask, if i have 10000unit of AXREIT in CIMB I-trade and i would like to transfer these unit to my Public Sharelink Acc, without selling it, will i be able to do so?

please advise, thank u
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Cannot, as for nominee account, the share is not direct owned by you.

If for between direct account with CDS, then yes, possible, but cannot to third party, that's for sure. Within the same name or family members, last time when I updated.
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post Dec 22 2008, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Dec 22 2008, 10:44 AM)
so the shares cant be transfered to the family members unless the share holder pass away?
sorry for being OT tongue.gif
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If not mistaken, still can, you must provide the reason, and prove the family relationship and approved by the KLSE (CDS account authority), not only for the reason of pass away. sweat.gif

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post Dec 22 2008, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Dec 22 2008, 02:19 PM)
Dear Cherroy,

I just got back from PB Sharelink office in puchong. I told them about transfering some of the share from my CIMB itrade to PB SHARELINK.

Apparently they say can. They only took RM10 per counter (depending the nubmer of counter u want to transfer).

Therefore, i paid them RM70 because i'm transfering 7 counter to PB Sharelink. They say transfer can be done hopeully by end of this week.

I will up date you if this is done

TQ
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This is new to me. Thanks for sharing/update. notworthy.gif

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