For me, I definitely support the teacher!!! Apa char siew gen is this?!?!

update : While I don't support the student and the mother but don't la ruin her life!

This post has been edited by IamAHuman: Jun 26 2019, 05:21 PM


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If face like dinox I'll rotan her face..

Tabuli ini maciam

Tq tuhan for Msia masih waras

Kalau western cikgu will not rotan but allow kena verbally abuse by student and try to find middle ground instead

There should be more option. The student should be disciplined for her utter lack of respect, but the teacher losing his cool and abused his authority is a mucb serious offense.


Imagine a police shooting you for insulting.
He is a teacher not a holligan.

there is a limit to physical punishment, also need a proper procedure/sop for it. only qualified personnel should be the one to give out the punishment

Must rotan.. But not left right center la

Rotan is discipline ma... Duwan discipline then drop school lo. Its that simple

Canning ? You mean teacher cut student up and masuk aluminum can ?

White man said, spare the rod & spoil the child. White man oso said, don cane the child.

Teacher should be given warning letter and sent to reeducation camp. Seems he training in his perguruan days rusted. As for the student, the guru besar just anounce she no longer suitable in the school and request permindahan, since she lost trust from all guru and kekok if still in school. Donno if it serve the student good like this. If her mom rich go enrol in private school la.

back in my days, during my primary school years, if you are sweating (due to plying hide and seek or polis and thief during your lunch break before afternoon class), the teacher will ask you to to take off your shirt for the whole period, and no police case were ever made, heck not even went viral to whole Malaysia that such abuse existed, even my mother supported this method for god knows why. And here is the kicker, when a girl sweats, there were given of with a warning only, tell me how is this fair. I know because I was one of the stripped victim during class, lucky for me, self ego were not present when I was in primary school, so no huge issue were made.

Instead of caning teacher can use body can. If student not behave after parent teacher consult. Go viral and destroy parents and students reputation

I support the teacher...the mom has the right to confront the teacher but that should be to resolvr issues. No need to viral snd male police report gila....sendiri dotter salah di sommore want to shame ppl and get the kind looking teacher in trouble. Totally unnecessary

good teacher. i wish the teacher who let other students to bully me did the same to my bullies. Instead, the teacher just say softly "hey, u cannot do that ya" and the bullies still did what they did to me

Your poll is skewed and biased towards the real point of the issue.

1. Student rude.
2. Teacher rotan to discipline.

Most of course will vote for the teacher!

The real point is the teacher abuse his power with excessive beating the student into submission.

Thats the crime fall under Akta Kanun Keseksaan seksyen 323.
Well maybe seksyen 335 might be more suitable.

Thats a crime under the LAW.

You put that into the poll, the teacher can close shop de.

last time i think one day >100 canes from teachers also no complain.

lol the student have very fair skin, u squeeze her arm with a little bit of force also can cause that.
wayang lebih, that student. but the more important issue is student and mother both kurang ajar.

Kurang ajar doenst mean you can hurt them.

IF according to what you said, many rempit would have the license to hurt you already. Because rempit will definitely say his victim kurang ajar. So are they free from the LAW?

nobodys stoppping you from viralling the rempit and making police reports against them

Student, teacher and parent also sohai. They deserved each other.

Why stop at canning? Survival of the fittest

What the teacher did was with the right intention, but not with the right process or procedure. The teacher could have just reprimand the student in a more stern action like suspending the student or bring in the parents to apologize in front of the class.

Once you start hitting people then the whole argument is totally not on your side especially when the law says you are not suppose to.

Some may argue that the snowflake gen is too weak to be canned compare to the older gen. But that's another discussion because it's like comparing who is better in tennis, Federer or Sampras? Of in badminton, LCW or Rashid.

Yup which is why the teacher now has a case to answer. Worth it? Probably NO.
Thats why dont punish student if it only meant to balas dendam.

Every job have sop....
Can't follow sop then better quit....

Yes. But then that would be saying the Ministry endorses corporal punishment.

All strawberry parents rage nanti.

ramai yg tidak waras

If u are girl, its pity u have a pedo teacher. Too bad malaysian donno their rights at that generation. What if guys there made fun of the scene till adult abd will haunt some others forever....

How you want to can the student ?

Like a sardine or luncheon meat?

I will just give them a one tight slap.

Guaranteed they will become good boy good girl after that.

How do you define EXCESSIVE? To me, if you are in a super rage and you are of an adult, the cane marks would have been even worst! Trust me, I’ve seen cane marks that are even much worst than this.

What the teacher did was discipline IMHO!

Sardine would be nice!

I'm more worried about pandan teacher's waifu (kalau ada). Confirm everyday kena abuse.

do you remember penis inspection day?

Poll result quite disappointed indeed. Bolehland 70% failed liao. Hahaha

poll result show strong support

Which means we're still an asian confucian society.

Those who don't like may want to migrate to western spaces for their idea of "freedom and liberty"

SJW wont be amused with the result


They will says it is tyranny of majority

school have canning sop. did she follow it? Yes or no?
Does not look like he/she follow so teacher is wrong.

I suppork the student. Just to see her rot and fail in life.

kalau fight, cikgu kalah & salah sebab rotan sampai lebam macam tu

Why you support the student ar?

Time has changed, Technology has changed.
Caring old method not applicable to Gen Z

in this case, teacher is too much to cane the student's body instead of palm.

I say both are sohai, teacher is to educate but not use excessive caning, student profession is to study but no study.

Both should kena buang sekolah.

if the ministry don't want to endorse, make sure release clear instruction no corporal punishment allowed.

Like I said, don't think this is called excessive caning la. If excessive, the skin would be even much worst than this.

I really sick with the comments like "Masa kecik-kecik kena rotan dengan cikgu, elok je jadi manusia".

It is not about whether the skin is torn = excessive. This is excessive force.

Canning anywhere besides the palm of the hand and buttocks, as per rules set out by MOE for canning discipline, is already excessive and illegal, exceeded the legal boundaries. If teacher don't follow rules, then what kind of message the teacher is sending to the students?

Why the palm of the hand? Have you seen those stings from jellyfish, the skin on the palm of a hand or sole of a foot is always under wear and regenerate, so the scar will go away sooner. For the rest of the skin on the body, the scar will remains for a very long time.

Why the buttocks? Because it is a part where it is covered all the time in public. So if there is a scar there, it won't affect the image/looks of a person. Also, there are cloth to "protect" the skin, so it will not be torn under excessive force. Canning the buttocks naked is also illegal.

If you daughter got permanent scars all around her because of a teacher's excessive canning, are you happy?

This post has been edited by RicoT: Jun 26 2019, 02:18 PM

basically the average quality of national citizens we got, they cant view the matter rationally, but emotionally

worst is relating the saying of "last time we all also kena caned la, now ok je"

the teacher has obviously lost it when he chose to cane at places other than palm n butt

y so many dont see the seriousness of this

Student is a person who is studying, doing something incorrect is normal.

I salute teachers who understood their profession well and be very patience in guiding students when they did something wrong, or be caring enough to understand why the student act in this manner, but I despise teacher who think violence is the only way to teach. Canning is usually reserved to discipline master, in my secondary school, teachers don't bring rotan into class anymore like primary school.

Those who think last time they were caned and it is normal, they are stuck in the past and never thought to improve the situation. So if they are born into a poor family, they should forever be poor since it is normal to them.

kids nowadays strawberry. Kena rotan sikit, make viral whole malaysia.

canning ok, but dera tak ok.
disrespect teacher, not ok...

this is not a yes or no situation.

after i see the photo, tak macam rotan sikit. so i wondering what is the teacher thinking when rotan her.

exactly, isn't this alarming and saddening

no wonder most of our people still play with R&R everyday coz they cant think n evaluate things logically n rationally, easily manipulated with uncontrollable emotions

Legit counselling is very important

Looking at the number and location of caning scar, it doesn't looks like the teacher is caning to teach a lesson. It looks more like a revenge caning.

I totally agree that the caning should be carried out, but should be done properly. This looks like wild swinging caning. The scar is in 3 distinct different places. Imagine you taking a wild swing.

If i were the parent, i will go to school amd thank the teacher to help me teach kids some manners.

This generation nowadays is all about entitlement and how the society or world owes you ...bla bla bla

obviously it is not rotan sikit

the teacher has obviously lost his shit in order to cane student like this

it is like expressing his outrage by abusing his power

That’s right, I agree with you.

TS too emotional and bias towards teacher from the get-go. TS useless char siew too.

Imagin you being called pondan in front of whole class

sokong cikgu. padan muka. cikgu tu kena hormat. ni buat cikgu macam tahi. mmg patut la

Clearly you don't have the EQ to handle this, much less to become a teacher.

isn't it obvious that the teacher has lost his shit in order to cane student like that

people who has low EQ n professionalism like him is definitely unsuitable to be an educator

Rather kena cane now then kena belasah outside

You are right that if it leaves permanent scars then it's definitely a no no. However, if you look at the picture clearly, it's like a normal "rotan" session to me. Though the teacher should have cane the palm or buttocks, but sometimes you'll need to understand the teacher's point of view as well.

My question to you is, Have you ever thought children? How about those naughty ones? How about those rebellious ones? How about those who shouts at you? Those who spits at you? In a normal human being, you'll have your limits too. You can't expect a teacher to be a SUPERMAN!

I'm not a teacher myself but I have lots of teacher friends and I feel for them. Low pay, kena marah from parents for the smallest thing!!! Parents blame them when their kids do not do well in school, and lots more.

Teachers should be honored instead of criticize. I do agree that there are a few bad apple teachers out there but most of the teachers are making an effort to help the children. It's the parents who demands the teachers to educate and discipline them but they themselves don't do anything. Parents think money is KING. So, I give you lots of MONEY and I want the teacher to make my child like Einstein!

Here's an article of another who believes in caning - https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/letters/...W3Zh6iTWa5gm.99

Sorry off topic but just a correction to everyone. My guru England cannot tahan anymore.

Canning = a method of preserving food in which the food contents are processed and sealed in an airtight container (tin)

Caning = Rotan

Child Act 2001

I support i am char siew, cause above vote don't have my actual opinion answer

thanks for highlighting. overlooked on it

I tend to agree. Because i am a old school person. I believe in punishment and scolding.

char siew have to be canned

owaiiii

All these account/people are closely related to the teacher.
They are here to defend the teacher to minimize the damage.
Even stoop low like politician to smear and public shaming a kid.

I wonder if this is the culture the education people trying to instill.
Not only you abuse your power, and not following SOP.
You are even worse than a politician. At least a politician wont go so low to shame a kid.

You have done wrong. Instead of apologize to the public, you public shaming the kid to justify your action.
If the person is rude, you can beat them up as you like in the name of discipline.
You can public shaming with personal info as you like to hide the fact that you broke the LAW by executing the punishment as you like, to satisfy your anger for the rudeness against you.

Sorry, got to disagree. This issue here got nothing to do with kesian teacher, teachers workload, etc. That is more to do with weakness of our whole education system.

The MOE have a guideline for punishing student including the use of rotan. I agree that teachers should be allowed to use rotan but it must be use in accordance with the guideline. The guideline is actually to protect teachers because if the teacher had referred the case to HM or Discipline teacher, there will not be any issue if the parents go and make noise.

Well... let's agree to disagree... It's not like whoever wins gets a RM 1 Mil! It's just differences in opinions which everyone is entitle to

What I don't agree is a lot of people demonize the girl until it is now more like a case of cyber bullying. Yes, the mother was wrong to viral the issue. Yes, the girl should be taught discipline and punished for being rude but we should not just past judgement on both the girl and mother base on her academic record or the video. I also believe that the teacher were just having a bad day and that is why he lost his judgement. Hence, he just need to go for some anger management counseling.

Actually if you look at Malaysian society nowadays, everyone gets triggered over a small thing.

Malaysians are becoming a rage society. True story!

Actually it is the same last time. The only difference is there were no social media for people to lash out their thoughts.

Both parties got wrong, but the one in the wrong the most is the mother.

Normal rotan mark only aso need to make polis report and viral it.

Last time i kene rotan until berdarah go home aso diam je, takut nanti cikgu phone my parents tell them. Then go home kene 1 round lagi.

You clearly fail to educate and teach you own kid proper manners, got wrong meh the teacher help teach ur guai lan lala kid some manners? Not like rotan leave permanent marks aso.

Puikk, sikit sikit nak bising.

Next time grow up sure become some whore.

I still remember my father personally told the teacher (in front of me) to just rotan me if I did anything wrong.

If you ask new gen parenting, they say its the wrong way to teach your child. The proper way is to reason with your child. Give them a sense of adult responsibility. Hence, call their parents by their first name. No problem!

No wonder kids these days so lembik macam taufu.

What is the policy of the school and government on punishment? Surely there is a guideline or sop. Follow je lah, what is the issue? No need to debate here and there, show the policy/guideline first.

mana option for caning, but only to butts and palms? MANA?!

so can simply cane anywhere la? i support caning, but only to limited areas

13 y/o teenager, expect to be naughty and rebellious. Not everyone can be a teacher, and everyone has their limits. Hence, that teacher should be sent to more training to improve himself or find a way to vent out those frustrations. If they cannot handle it, it is not suitable for them as a profession.

It just happened to be this teacher is one of the bad apples in the basket, and I am criticising this particular teacher's actions. This teacher caned at the wrong area, outside the guidelines set by MOE, he should be criticised of his action instead of being supported. If he follows the guideline and caned the palm/buttocks with clothing, max. 3 times with proper reasons and holistic intention, then I am all supportive of him, but no, he did it wrongly.

You are generalising/stereotyping, not all parents think money is KING, and not all teachers felt they kena marah from parents for the smallest thing.

The child may come from difficult background, abusive primary school teachers, school bullies, etc. If you look at the academic report cards, a student with lots of E already ringing a lot of bells, something is disrupting her from studying. The student should also be sent to a child psychologist for evaluation, maybe she will reveal the whole big picture and get better guidance from the child psychologist, she won't call the teacher pondan for no reason, she needs help.

As I said, both the teacher and the student have their issues, problem + problem = catastrophe.

Option here bro.

pijak all student!!!!

Don't cyber bully people. If you do so, you're the same as all involved.

Yes, shameful behaviour from many /k here. Bringing in their personal stories does not make their case any stronger, actually. Rather i chuckled at their stories and dumb analogies.

The facts are simple and I go by the logic of what has transpired. That teacher failed to adhere to SOP with regards to caning a student and I’m just waiting for the Ministry to act against him. No need for any emotion here.

Other /k better show some restrain in their vilification of that young girl.

This char siew lalamui don’t even love herself, always go out act gangster take picture drinking alcohol. If she don’t respect herself , why should I respect her? Send her to the ranch

you call that excessive beating ka?

dari segi pandangan saya, encik adalah seorang yang berbudaya

boss mintak sos kicap

Since caning was clearly violating the MOE guidelines, as reported in the news, the fault is with the teacher no doubt. Not saying what the student did was right but right or wrong there are guidelines to be adhered to. There are dos and donts on how to handle violations by students. Caning brutally until visible welts is definitely not the way and a violation of how a teacher should deal with students and he must be dealt with properly.

When you beat with rage state of mind and beating everywhere on the hand and leg.

Even when I beat my daughter, I will go for 1 or 2 stroke of rotan even when anger actually got better of me.
Yet it was never like what the teacher did. Imagine the state of anger he was in.

If you had to strike on the defenseless child multiple time like a MAD MAN, you are letting the rage in your mind to get the better of you.
Which was why the teacher totally forgotten on the SOP guideline. He was out of his sound mind because of the rage. And he proceed to hit and hit and hit.

I would be OK if the teacher carry out the punishment following guideline with the intention to right the wrong.
I would be pissed he hit the defenseless child with the hatre in mind. Thats abusing of power.
Yes that might not look to be very bad cane marks. It was the exasperation and anger when carrying out the punishment which against SOP.
Do you like it when teacher not actually punishing your child but rather hitting her because he wanted to release his anger?

The point was not the canning but rather the balas dendam state of mind which led to beat beat beat beat beat until huuuu lepas semua geram.

as far as i concern
when a child is outside calling ppl names
i would rather a teacher whip out of anger
than the kid get stab out of w/e thats outside

link for case study researhc purposes
Outraged Malaysians Save the Day Just 1 Hour after Video of Abused Child
https://www.worldofbuzz.com/outraged-malays...ild-went-viral/

This post has been edited by Lada Putih: Jun 26 2019, 07:13 PM

QUESTION :

You would rather a teacher beat a student, exactly just like that video world of buzz, out of anger ?

If the teacher rotan the girl until bleeding, will your response be different?

most probably they will stand with teacher



because

*ala, aku dulu kena rotan dgn cikgu sampai nak pecah buah pinggang, elok je sampai skrg, jadi je orang berguna * CARD activate