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 Michelin Energy XM2+, New addition from Michelin

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post Nov 18 2019, 12:56 PM

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replaced mine 185/60 r15 last week, initial impressions, felt heavier than the previous ecopia 150, but really quiet and grip is good as well, no significant difference in FC
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post Nov 18 2019, 02:00 PM

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Is the heavier feeling comes from the installed tyre pressure being on the lower end ?
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post Nov 18 2019, 09:40 PM

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is xm2+ the best money can buy for 175/65/15 & 185/55/15? if money if not an issue, is there any other better alternatives? choices are so limited for these 2 sizes
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post Nov 19 2019, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Nov 18 2019, 02:00 PM)
Is the heavier feeling comes from the installed tyre pressure being on the lower end ?
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nah, checked and adjusted tyre pressure immediately after the installation, maybe the previous EP150 was really that bald theres not much rolling resistance i'm not sure it sure as hell doesn't look that bad.

in fact i might go as far as saying FC improved
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post Nov 19 2019, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Zer0 c00L @ Nov 19 2019, 10:12 AM)
nah, checked and adjusted tyre pressure immediately after the installation, maybe the previous EP150 was really that bald theres not much rolling resistance i'm not sure it sure as hell doesn't look that bad.

in fact i might go as far as saying FC improved
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Without obtaining confirmation from you numerically , I would speculate car OEM manufacturer recommended 30/32(?) psi is being followed by the air 'pumper' .

At tyre manufacturer permitted psi of say, 36 - 40 the car steering simply can't be heavier , doesn't matter China or Michelin tyres .

Science suggests rolling resistance of brand new soft tyres increases relatively to your 'throw away' hardened tyres , everything else being equal .

Your statement in bold above is contrarian to science .

Edit: Am not trying to be argumentative ( with your statement in bold) , but to straighten up the wrong to the right .

This post has been edited by zeng: Nov 19 2019, 12:52 PM
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post Nov 21 2019, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Nov 19 2019, 12:46 PM)
Without obtaining confirmation from you numerically , I would speculate car OEM manufacturer recommended 30/32(?) psi is being followed by the air 'pumper' .

At tyre manufacturer permitted psi of say, 36 - 40 the car steering simply can't be heavier , doesn't matter China or Michelin tyres .

Science suggests rolling resistance of brand new soft tyres increases relatively to your 'throw away' hardened tyres , everything else being equal .

Your statement in bold above is contrarian to science .

Edit: Am not trying to be argumentative ( with your statement in bold) , but to straighten up the wrong to the right .
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that's quite alright, you learn something new everyday.

I mean my experiences are purely based on my layman understanding, the new Xm2+ definitely felt heavier than the previous ones but FC did improve.

All in all, pretty happy with it but lets see long term usage, i did have XM2s before and they were good while new but after a certain amount of time, it became very loud, lasting yes, but loud also a resounding yes lol
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post Nov 25 2019, 05:28 PM

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this tyre good for highway driving?
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post Dec 14 2019, 12:32 PM

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M looking for xm2+ 205/55/16. Anyone know any reliable tyre shop in puchong?
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post Dec 14 2019, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(imgaylord @ Nov 12 2019, 11:26 PM)
XM2+ 185/60R14. Just changed all 4 tyres at RM 170 each, inclusive of balancing at Klang. I was quoted RM 180 during Oct.

Not sure if this price is cheaper than most. Just FYI.
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PM me the address please.tq
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post Dec 15 2019, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(topmix92 @ Nov 25 2019, 05:28 PM)
this tyre good for highway driving?
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yes....use it for my sienta...

a bit noisy..but comfort and grip
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post Dec 17 2019, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(imgaylord @ Nov 12 2019, 11:26 PM)
XM2+ 185/60R14. Just changed all 4 tyres at RM 170 each, inclusive of balancing at Klang. I was quoted RM 180 during Oct.

Not sure if this price is cheaper than most. Just FYI.
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May i know that Klang shop name? thanks
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post Dec 17 2019, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(al_madd @ Dec 15 2019, 11:54 PM)
yes....use it for my sienta...

a bit noisy..but comfort and grip
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noisy? oh wow... you using XM2 or XM2+? or your car wheel bearing not good already?
Can't believe noisy, mine currently still "noiseless". only wtf the wind noise now damn loud because now no tyre noise.. tongue.gif
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post Dec 17 2019, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Dec 17 2019, 12:31 PM)
noisy? oh wow... you using XM2 or XM2+? or your car wheel bearing not good already?
Can't believe noisy, mine currently still "noiseless". only wtf the wind noise now damn loud because now no tyre noise..  tongue.gif
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I was using XM2. When new >50% of thread, it's very quiet and nice but once it reaches more than half of it's life, it gets real noisy.
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post Dec 20 2019, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Dec 17 2019, 12:31 PM)
noisy? oh wow... you using XM2 or XM2+? or your car wheel bearing not good already?
Can't believe noisy, mine currently still "noiseless". only wtf the wind noise now damn loud because now no tyre noise..  tongue.gif
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Xm2+..

Im comparing with my prev bridgestone tyre..

In term of quietness...bridgestone > michelin..

But in term of handling in hot and rainy..xm2+ way better
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post Dec 20 2019, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(al_madd @ Dec 20 2019, 01:23 PM)
Xm2+..

Im comparing with my prev bridgestone tyre..

In term of quietness...bridgestone > michelin..

But in term of handling in hot and rainy..xm2+ way better
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Which Bridgestone model?
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post Dec 20 2019, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Dec 20 2019, 01:32 PM)
Which Bridgestone model?
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Turanza er33
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post Dec 20 2019, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(al_madd @ Dec 20 2019, 11:23 PM)
Turanza er33
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I see, Bridgestone ER33 used to be premium touring tyre, for those Camry, Accord luxury car.
XM2+ is actually same range with Ecopia EP300, budget economic tyre (expensive due to Michelin brand). For direct replacement of your previous ER33, it should be Primacy 4 series which also designed for luxury car.
However, i'm still amazed with the silence of this XM2+ on my Polo Sedan, it was so silent until I can hear my shock absorber working psst psst driving on 80km/h above :-)
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post Dec 23 2019, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(imgaylord @ Nov 14 2019, 07:58 PM)
Based on my past experience, when changing 4 tyres at 1 go, this shop usually quote the price inclusive of balancing, alignment & new rubber valve for each new tyre.

However, my car didn't need alignment this time after test drive. Partly because last balancing & alignment was done not long ago (less than 1k km), and I use back my own metal valve.

I know many tyre shops use the following technic to attract customer at borderline of dishonest way:
1. Very cheap tyre with hidden cost. Cut our throat at balancing / alignment / etc.
2. Must adjust chamber or else can't do alignment properly. In most cases, this is bullshit. smile.gif

But this shop is not 1 of them, at least in my opinion for so many years. If you're really keen to change this month (since price may fluctuates monthly), I can help you to find out the nett price. You may PM me your tyre specification and other services you want to include.
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Can recommend any in Kepong or pj area for xm2+ 185/55/15?

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post Dec 26 2019, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(icebabycool @ Dec 23 2019, 10:51 AM)
Can recommend any in Kepong or pj area for xm2+ 185/55/15?
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This size almost rm200++.
Very expensive.
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post Dec 27 2019, 03:13 PM

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Oscar tires in BKT Kemuning sells Michelin XM 2 plus 185/60 R15 for RM159 including balancing.


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