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post Feb 23 2008, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(300078 @ Feb 23 2008, 07:37 AM)
Talking about paint scratching how many of you did bath ur kit? I mean wash them using detergent, after that do primer, wait till it dries and spray the paint!

I usually skip the washing part!
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Bandai kits, I tend to skip the bathing bit. Did a Bendi before, and that one I washed the kit first of all.

If you're to touch the surface of the Bendi, you'll know what I mean lar. Its kinda slippery, making it so obvious that there's still chemical residues from the mould left on the plastic.

So I guess it depends on the model also lar
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post Mar 4 2008, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(noob4life @ Mar 4 2008, 04:35 PM)
When u sand the edges of a blue color part.. it kinda look like shading. =X    ... but thats just me... dunno bout u guys.

Just my two cents ~
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That's more of weathering already actually, not shading.

An example will be when u spray on gun metal onto the part first, then followed by a layer of blue for example, covering the gun metal completely.

after giving the paint sufficient time to dry, you take rough sand paper and rub quickly onto the edges, to simulate scratch marks where the paint had been scratched off to reveal the color of the metal under it.

Then what u can do after that will be to use some brownish red pastel to be applied to some of the scratch areas to simulate rust at some of the spots where the bare metal is revealed.

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post Mar 11 2008, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(erh_teo @ Mar 11 2008, 02:25 PM)
actually superglue is abit harder than plastic so it's much more harder to sand after u glue the plastics..
with cement.. not much of this sanding issue..
but superglue is much cheaper laugh.gif
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Don't forget too that the faster drying time of superglue makes it less forgiving to handle, but its good for the impatient. With cement, u'll need to wait for the cement melted plastic to properly set before you can sand (so patience is the key!)
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post Mar 13 2008, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(zheyuen @ Mar 13 2008, 09:46 AM)
see u all talk bout painting i oso ask sumthng...

for airbrushing lar k... erm i heard acrylic wont stick so well to the kit than the others rite? wad if i prime it and topcoat it...will it get better?
coz laquer kena use thinner to wash so dunwan waste...but can use industrial thinner for washing the ab?

i ask so much bout ab...ab pun belum dapat ...XD.
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Yes you can. I've been using normal thinner from Ace's hardware with my airbrush all these time, both for thinning the paint, and also for cleaning the airbrush.

For acrylic paint, they can stick to the plastic actually, its not until that fragile, just that at the spots where u get parts rubbing against one another, that's where u can expect the paint to chip. However if you're to use a primer, then it wont rub off as badly.
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Mar 13 2008, 12:11 PM)
Normal thinner also can... Maybe I try ask my father to bring 1 tin come back from his factory and try tongue.gif

Won't it do any harm to plastic??
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This will depend on how strong the thinner is. That's also why I've stuck with the thinner from Ace's Hardware, as I know how it behaves by now, and what to avoid with it.

If you wanna try the thinner from your father's factory, then I suggest that you test it out on a piece of scrap plastic first.
- put a piece of scrap plastic into a small bowl of the thinner, poke it abouts and so forth, and observe how quickly or slowly the plastic dissolves
- the do some test spraying and see what kinda results u get
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post Mar 13 2008, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Mar 13 2008, 12:27 PM)
uh... later i put in, poke poke.. the plastic gone.. xD
Then only found out my father bring acid instead of thinner... sweat.gif jk

ok, no problem... try try first when got chance..
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hahahah well, that's why I said to test it out on a piece of scrap plastic first, so u'll know for sure if your father brought back acid instead of thinner smile.gif
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post Mar 14 2008, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(MechaHerc @ Mar 13 2008, 02:06 PM)
i've already painted my gundam with aqueos hobby color set but the brush stroke is too horibble for me  tongue.gif. n wat i've read it must be mix with Mr. Retarder Mild,
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Well, for sure there can be a lot of improvement from what you've done smile.gif

Ok, basically I guess the first thing that you can look at is probly your thinning ratio. What's the ratio of paint to thinner or water r u using?

Next will be brushes. What sort of brush r u using?

From what I can see of the pic (the red areas), your brush strokes r pretty crude, and the main causes of these are usually either wrong brush type, or wrong thinning ratio.

then 3rd question is, how many layers of paint did u apply?

if u're able to right, can u take a close up pic of a white area as well to post here? I can only make out the rough bits on the red part of the shield, but cant see the details of the white areas that well so cant comment on those yet.

QUOTE(MechaHerc @ Mar 13 2008, 02:06 PM)
the question is
1) so which one thinner should i use? n what the different of this 2 thinners? if u try understand the world that i've bold there, there are sumthing wrong izzit?
2) any method to color the eyes area of my strike (1/144 too small for paint)  tongue.gif
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to color the eyes, use a very very small brush smile.gif I usually use a size 000 from Fabel Castel for this.


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QUOTE(zheyuen @ Mar 13 2008, 05:45 PM)
wanted to ask same thng...if wash the ab using industrial paint it wont harm the ab rite? and i dun thnk it will harm the kit coz just wash the ab nt the kit...am i rite or wrong here?
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washing the AB with industrial thinner's fine. Been doing that with my Sparmax AB all this time (either by spraying thinner through it, or dismantling it to dip the parts into thinner when it really gets messed up)

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QUOTE(MechaHerc @ Mar 14 2008, 10:38 AM)
thanks fyire for the komen..

FYI, i just bought the aqueous hobby set only. 1 box wit 9 color colout, 3 plate, 3 spoon n 2 brush (1 fine tip, 1 about 3-4mm wide)

i thinning with water about 1:1, n about 3-4 layer for white, 2 layer for color
What u can try doing is to reduce the paint ratio. Try with maybe 1 part paint - 2 part water and see what sort of results u get? U'll end up with the paint being more dilute and may not cover fully, but don't worry. it just means that you'll need to apply more layers. its better to apply more thin layers than less thick ones


QUOTE(MechaHerc @ Mar 14 2008, 10:38 AM)
can u giv me the ur brush pic? want to search in my place..  biggrin.gif
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Don't have the pictures with me now, but try looking for brushes from fabel castel. u don't need to get exactly those types, but have a feel on how the brush heads are like, and try to get similar ones to those types. I tend to get mine from popular bookstores these days (similar softness as fabel castel, and cheaper too).

For brush size, I tend to use 3 types mainly. a size 4 flat and size 8 flat for normal surface area painting, and a size 000 pointed for details.
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QUOTE(ShinAsakura @ Mar 16 2008, 11:05 AM)
yesterday, i cement the leg of my graham. guess what? i blur blur got terbalik put the upper tight and the lower leg part. i thought have to use knife to cut them and re-cement, but then, i forcefully open back the seam line LOL...

lucky the cement jz half an hour done, if not reli  cry.gif jor  doh.gif

now... the whole leg is messed up, will post picture later in the evening.
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shouldnt be impossible to fix lar... u just putty, sandpaper, primer + heaps of work and patience smile.gif
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QUOTE(earlydevilex @ Mar 16 2008, 10:44 PM)
tats wat i have been saying i did not say it was meant to be on adges u already say tat it gives a darker tone to the colour,so if its on the edges the colour would be darker
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aih.. just say 'pre-shading' lor.. then we all will know already smile.gif
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QUOTE(ewynn @ Mar 17 2008, 04:55 PM)
Is superglue a good alternative for cement? After sanding do i need to like ... repaint that part? Or just cover it with topcoat .. ?@_@
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Superglue's good for the impatient, as it dries a lot faster than cement will dry, but it has got its downsides as well. Being fast drying also means that you're forced to work faster, so its easier to make mistakes. Also, for superglue, its a lot harder to sand off the excess that seeps through
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QUOTE(zheyuen @ Mar 17 2008, 10:23 PM)
how long does it take for cement to bond?
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cement works a bit differently from superglue, in the sense that superglue glues the pieces together. cement actually melts the plastic slightly for the 2 pieces of plastic to bond with each other.

the bonding process starts the moment u press the pieces together, the bond will form within seconds. But the strength of the bond wont be that strong immediately, as it will take time for it to set.

u should be able to sand within 10 minutes, but the actual setting of the cement may take longer.
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QUOTE(ewynn @ Mar 20 2008, 12:09 PM)
Hi all, how can i remove oversprayed primer and paint ( acrylic ) ?

Did some search and found out that i can choose from thinner(?), brake fluid and detergent ( not sure about this ) ? Can clorox / bleach work? Read about it here.

i did some botched paint jobs ...  cry.gif
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acrylics r the easiest. Detergent's the most readily available, and it works pretty well.

Toss your parts into the detergent mix, and leave it there for about 12 hours or so. Take out, scrub with a brush. Then u can clean up any excess using cotton dipped in alcohol.
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Mar 22 2008, 09:33 PM)
MG 1/100. Wing Zero Custom ma, the one with angel wings. Sakit hati la.... My WIP was going smoothly only, then suddenly this sh*t happened...
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whether the recast is possible depends a lot on the part itself as well. what's the part number for the bit that u're missing?
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Mar 22 2008, 09:42 PM)
Lemme check.. Um...It's L 21
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the pics on dalong's scanned manuals r a bit small, so I couldnt make out the part numbering well, but is it one of the pieces at the bottom left at here? http://dalong.net/review/mg/m75/p/m75_r_l.jpg

if it is, then it don't look too bad actually. doing it using epoxy should be pretty easy enough. the only difficult part is that u're gonna need somebody to pinjam u that missing part (since the one that u've got left is for the opposite side)
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Mar 22 2008, 10:28 PM)
20-30%.... I'll try my luck to beg those guys first.... Thanks chris, another addition to my solution. The list:
1. Ignore it and hope the part will pop out itself
2. Recast, which gonna involve some begging laugh.gif
3. Buy fake one ><
4. Order runner from Chris
5. Super glue the wing!

Most prolly i'll resort to method 1 and 2 la. Haha
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http://plamo.outthere.info/forum/showthread.php?tid=38


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QUOTE(8tvt @ Mar 25 2008, 10:12 AM)
i guess i just need supersonic move then.. nod.gif
if not that practical.. better spending the money for other stuff..
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Ideally, the paint should dry within moments of hitting the plastic when you airbrush it. Otherwise, you'll end up with the problem of having the paint run as air blows over it again.

The application of the retarder to slow down the drying is mainly to prevent the paint from drying before hitting the plastic (as in, drying the moment it shoots out of the AB). This will cause the cobweb effect on the plastic.

Its best to avoid rushing too much as well. As like everything related to painting, you'll just have to get used to the drying time (which is just one aspect) of the paints. Furthermore, this differs between different brands of paints as well.

The moment you get used to the paint, you'll have a better idea on how to time yourself while working.


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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Mar 25 2008, 12:37 PM)
Just some stupid question, I started up yesterday and end up almost spoil my kits...

For laquer, how many ratio from colour : thinner

I either had the colour too "pekat" or too "cair"

And another mistake I've done. I use laquer paint for brushing.... doh.gif Stupid me... but with some fix-up... the result turn out quit ok ok for me lar...
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Start off with a 1:1 ratio I guess. Then experiment around from there. There isnt really one single magic number, as even different colors from the same brand may have differing thickness. Then also the older bottles of paint that's slightly dried up will also require more thinner.

In short, after mixing, unless you're already used to it, never ever paint directly onto your model first, but run the brush over some pieces of scrap plastic to see the effects first. Only when you get it to what you can handle, then paint.

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Mar 28 2008, 01:02 AM)
ur compressor got auto stop function?
i think beginner need n auto stop compressor.
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why ler? if u're worried about heat issues breaking the compressor, then all you need is a timer that tells u how long your compressor's been in use for.
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QUOTE(dawghause @ Mar 29 2008, 02:39 AM)
sorry i forgot to add one part of the question.
what would happen if i were to attach an airbrush to an air compressor the size of a small shopping trolley?
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Doesnt really matter as long as you've got a proper pressure regulator
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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Apr 2 2008, 09:51 PM)
btw  Shading effect can't be done by hand painting unless u are expert on hand painting even me no solution for it

unless u want to try 1 method that i experimenting handpainting with top coat Spray Can to achive this effect of shading.
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It can actually smile.gif Although I've only used acrylics for this. The concept is pretty similar to how you do pre-shading when using an AB.

Basically, apply the base coat as per normal. Then prepare a mix of the color that you wish to shade with (usually a darker version of the base coat). In hand painting terms, this is called the 'wash', where the paint applied at this stage is very much more dilute compared to when you're doing normal painting.

Then clean up by dry brushing to get the shades to blend in properly.

Do keep in mind that I've only done this using acrylics. No idea how lacquers will take to washes and dry brushing.

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