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post May 15 2019, 07:09 PM, updated 6y ago

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Hi everyone...

after reading so many threads and comments about renovation, now is my turn to renovate my hse.

Basically i do extension for my kitchen and master room. So the contractor said to start at the back extension first..

Day 1

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Seriously if you do have any comment, do let me know. Hope that it will turned out good outcome icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 16 2019, 01:36 AM

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Just a gentle reminder to get the contractor to get the sand out from the drains. Stagnant water = mosquito breeding spot = dengue potential higher.
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ May 15 2019, 07:09 PM)
Hi everyone...

after reading so many threads and comments about renovation, now is my turn to renovate my hse.

Basically i do extension for my kitchen and master room. So the contractor said to start at the back extension first..

Day 1

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Seriously if you do have any comment, do let me know. Hope that it will turned out good outcome  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Pad footing for kitchen extension aka single storey?

Extension on the upper floor will be more tricky though.

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9 out 10 this kind of extension all end up wall crack especial at wall joint
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Crack will happen after 5-10 years. Confirm!
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ May 15 2019, 07:09 PM)
Hi everyone...

after reading so many threads and comments about renovation, now is my turn to renovate my hse.

Basically i do extension for my kitchen and master room. So the contractor said to start at the back extension first..

Day 1

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Seriously if you do have any comment, do let me know. Hope that it will turned out good outcome  icon_rolleyes.gif
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cool. following to see how it turns out

if need any custom size solid wood items made, let me know. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ May 15 2019, 07:09 PM)
Hi everyone...

after reading so many threads and comments about renovation, now is my turn to renovate my hse.

Basically i do extension for my kitchen and master room. So the contractor said to start at the back extension first..

Day 1

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Seriously if you do have any comment, do let me know. Hope that it will turned out good outcome  icon_rolleyes.gif
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How much you budgeted for reno and furnishing ? All in
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post May 16 2019, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ May 16 2019, 01:36 AM)
Just a gentle reminder to get the contractor to get the sand out from the drains. Stagnant water = mosquito breeding spot = dengue potential higher.
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Sure. Will inform the contractor

QUOTE(kirakun @ May 16 2019, 08:50 AM)
Pad footing for kitchen extension aka single storey?

Extension on the upper floor will be more tricky though.
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QUOTE(266K @ May 16 2019, 10:23 AM)
9 out 10 this kind of extension all end up wall crack especial at wall joint
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QUOTE(BoomerangCircles @ May 16 2019, 10:27 AM)
Crack will happen after 5-10 years. Confirm!
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What happened? Can you all pls explain? coz i am totally no idea bout it shocking.gif shocking.gif

QUOTE(LocalService @ May 16 2019, 10:44 AM)
I just love that wide space that your house already has! So open and bright! Hope it all goes well with the renovation!
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QUOTE(littlewing @ May 16 2019, 11:23 AM)
How much you budgeted for reno and furnishing ? All in
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Reno only almost 90k..
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post May 16 2019, 05:55 PM

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Day 2

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Day 4

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Dont have photo of day 3...

I believe photo will tell everything..coz i am not good in explaining the detail as i am not expert on it...

but somehow i feel the progress is pretty fast at this moment
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post May 16 2019, 11:19 PM

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Nice! Looks spacious... What's the size of your kitchen extension?
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ May 16 2019, 05:48 PM)
Sure. Will inform the contractor
What happened? Can you all pls explain? coz i am totally no idea bout it  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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Suggest u seek advice from expert(professional structural engineer) on type of foundation required for double storey extension.

In layman term, piling is required for foundation before pile cap, then followed by ground beam, slab and columns. That is to ensure no major cracks will appear in the near future due to ground settlement.

But then what is done is done. Just have your fingers crossed and pray hard that no major cracks will appear in the coming years.
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QUOTE(kirakun @ May 17 2019, 08:48 AM)
Suggest u seek advice from expert(professional structural engineer) on type of foundation required for double storey extension.

In layman term, piling is required for foundation before pile cap, then followed by ground beam, slab and columns. That is to ensure no major cracks will appear in the near future due to ground settlement.

But then what is done is done. Just have your fingers crossed and pray hard that no major cracks will appear in the coming years.
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normally must get council approval and structural engineer sign off. did you get it ?
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QUOTE(littlewing @ May 17 2019, 10:38 AM)
normally must get council approval and structural engineer sign off. did you get it ?
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U should redirect the question to TS lol.
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QUOTE(kirakun @ May 17 2019, 10:54 AM)
U should redirect the question to TS lol.
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haha yes yes i was, not you of course.
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post May 17 2019, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(kirakun @ May 17 2019, 08:48 AM)
Suggest u seek advice from expert(professional structural engineer) on type of foundation required for double storey extension.

In layman term, piling is required for foundation before pile cap, then followed by ground beam, slab and columns. That is to ensure no major cracks will appear in the near future due to ground settlement.

But then what is done is done. Just have your fingers crossed and pray hard that no major cracks will appear in the coming years.
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Ok. Now almost second floor. Later i share the photo...lik u said, nth i can do now 😕 but this fella has been doing alot of units there n the feedback is good, hence i choose him. Hope everything is fine.

QUOTE(littlewing @ May 17 2019, 10:38 AM)
normally must get council approval and structural engineer sign off. did you get it ?
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Yup. Got

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post May 21 2019, 12:14 PM

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lost count on how many days...

some updates as below...

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can c second floor dy

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post May 29 2019, 10:14 PM

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Toilet and kitchen

back part finished. now doing front part...

tiles bought, fan, door lock...what else i miss ya? electrical item tv, fridge hvnt buy yet...
wardrobe, kitchen supplier all settled...


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post May 31 2019, 12:48 PM

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what difference of using red brick and white brick? I only know red is more expensive.
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A lof of people overlook this but I think this is necessary before you moved in. Take some time to choose things that you like and bargain so not to make hasty purchase which you might regret later.

1. Grill
This one really depends on yourself. Some family decide not to use grill because it will make the house looks not pretty, but they will normally having CCTV and alarm (or have dogs). Worrying about your safety everyday is stressful and will impact your personal health in long run.

2. Lights
Can buy online e.g Taobao, they have nice design with great price and the product is really similar. Delivery can take quite some time. From my previous experience, I took my time to choose which light, brightness and where it will be attached to like living room, bedroom, etc. It is the house that I will see everyday so at least I want sometime that is not giving me eyesore, lol. Houses Lightings in Puchong having great bargain and a lot of people going there to have bulk purchase (I did too last time), be prepare for queue and squeeze with others there (you've been warned).

3. Curtain / blinds
I have seen a lot of houses in my area that making poor decision for this thing. Some houses using cardbox from electronic purchase, or just plain cloth/paper/newspaper, some even don't have curtain on their master bedroom. I have no idea how they even sleep or having privacy, not to say security issue too because everyone can see what you have inside your house. It is not cheap especially if you want to have specific measurement. You can go to Nilai if you want to have bargain. Buy the curtain railing too if your house not come with it. You can buy some window sticker in Daiso for small window (usually on top of front door/back door) if you have, or for your kitchen window to avoid water splash.

Some advise, you can look at your place that you currently stay and see what is not available in your new house, list it down and prioritize it.
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QUOTE(iluvcalculus @ May 31 2019, 02:16 PM)
A lof of people overlook this but I think this is necessary before you moved in. Take some time to choose things that you like and bargain so not to make hasty purchase which you might regret later.

1. Grill
This one really depends on yourself. Some family decide not to use grill because it will make the house looks not pretty, but they will normally having CCTV and alarm (or have dogs). Worrying about your safety everyday is stressful and will impact your personal health in long run.

2. Lights
Can buy online e.g Taobao, they have nice design with great price and the product is really similar. Delivery can take quite some time. From my previous experience, I took my time to choose which light, brightness and where it will be attached to like living room, bedroom, etc. It is the house that I will see everyday so at least I want sometime that is not giving me eyesore, lol. Houses Lightings in Puchong having great bargain and a lot of people going there to have bulk purchase (I did too last time), be prepare for queue and squeeze with others there (you've been warned).

3. Curtain / blinds
I have seen a lot of houses in my area that making poor decision for this thing. Some houses using cardbox from electronic purchase, or just plain cloth/paper/newspaper, some even don't have curtain on their master bedroom. I have no idea how they even sleep or having privacy, not to say security issue too because everyone can see what you have inside your house. It is not cheap especially if you want to have specific measurement. You can go to Nilai if you want to have bargain. Buy the curtain railing too if your house not come with it. You can buy some window sticker in Daiso for small window (usually on top of front door/back door) if you have, or for your kitchen window to avoid water splash.

Some advise, you can look at your place that you currently stay and see what is not available in your new house, list it down and prioritize it.
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1. Yea...despite our hse is G&G, but is still kinda worry my family. I asked around my neighbour and so far they claim the security here is quite good. But still my family prefer to have grill so that it less worry. already quoted for powder quoted for grill. smile.gif CCTV and alarm just waiting to install..hehe

2. i use all spotlight in my hse. so is settle for me. 3k color + 7w. almost 100 bulbs i got dy...

3. I know nilai there got 1 very famous curtain. this one i bought dy too from Curtain Palace. used them before n they r good.

In fact, still think is still in dilemma.
a) Should i chg my poly tank to ss tank? u know la ppl said poly dirty this n that...is just a mindset for me but family feels wanted to change it to ss hmm.gif
b) Kitchen - to use 4g glass door or nyatoh wood with wainscoting design...4G easy to maintain but family prefer nyatoh wood with wainscoting. reason given bcz like english style sweat.gif

Thanks for the advice. hope you will follow my progress and notify me if anything not right

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Congrats! The progress seems remarkably fast. Just a couple of things off the top of my head, hope they help you in some way.
These are bits and pieces I picked up along the way and I'm by no means an expert.

1. Seems like your neighbor is also doing the exact extension. What about the other side? Do keep pictures of not only your property but the before & after of your neighbors. This will be useful if you get into any legal trouble with them. Do try to be on good terms with them though. smile.gif

2. If you are building a new bathroom, do ensure that the floor is sufficiently sloped and water does not pool. And don't skimp on waterproofing. Ask your contractor to do a ponding test.

3. Will you be installing ventilating fans? They should vent outside your house, not into the ceiling space.

4. Is your manhole easily accessible?

5. Since you like spotlights, do you want to consider making several of them dimmable? e.g. in the TV den, or in the bedroom. smile.gif

6. For air conditioning: minimize the distance between the compressor and indoor blower unit.

7. Do allow high-powered appliances to be on their own circuit rather than looped. On a similar note, invest in better quality fusebox components (the MCB, ELCB? etc - not too well-versed). Similar note #2 - ensure grounding is proper or else your power will be tripping everytime it rains.

8. You may want to work with your electrician on the placement and order of switches, to avoid weird / unnatural placement. Certain areas e.g. staircase, bedsides switches (if any) may require 2 (or maybe 3)-way switches.

9. Also, do consider installing timer switches.

10. Any solar panel involved? Which areas or basins do you want hot water to be available? Your plumber will need to know.
10a. Do check if the water pressure is sufficient especially upstairs, otherwise you may want to consult your plumber. Otherwise, can consider installing a water pump.
10b. Outdoor water filters (if any) - got space to put? Indoor water filters (if any) - requires power? May want to extend a hidden power outlet nearby.

11. Will you be installing high cabinets, pendant lighting, chandeliers etc? Do ensure they are out of reach from your fan blades (especially when the cabinet doors are ajar) smile.gif

12. Polytank - may be able to be placed / hidden inside the ceilings, which saves you from having to build a concrete slab above your second floor (if placing on the roof) and presenting more water leaking problems in the future. Not too sure about the cleanliness... our parents survived just fine on decades-old polytank water right tongue.gif anyway I don't know. I went for SS.

13. Are you on 3-phase? Do try to balance the load across the 3 phases. Your electrician will know how to do this.

14. Council approval and the assessment of a qualified architect & engineer is also something I would recommend. A few forumers have expressed the possibility of cracks forming in the medium term. Now would be the time to query your contractor and/or architect. I think my extension may also face this problem.... as the footing looks similar. wacko.gif (My renovation was a 2-year, unending nightmare)

15. Do note that to complete your renovation from a legal standpoint, you need to have the CCC issued by the council after all works are done. I hope the price you paid includes this.

Hope it helps.

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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ May 29 2019, 10:14 PM)
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An idea for you. This part usually very dark after everything is covered by roofing. The top sandbrick segment can actually be substituted with a row of frosted or clear glassblocks just to let ambient light filter in and brighten up the corridor.
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Yoo hooo....some updates after few weeks

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Back done plaster. door installed.

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Window frame installed

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underneath staircase done!


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Front part extension done as well. plaster already.

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Main door. Doing plastering today
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post Jun 27 2019, 09:11 AM

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Hi,

Can pm me the contractor’s contact and the costs of extension? Thank you.
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what is ur house size and ur budget for this renovation?
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QUOTE(Zaire.Ver @ Jun 27 2019, 09:16 AM)
what is ur house size and ur budget for this renovation?
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house is 20 x 60 or 65....forget. kinda small

budget for reno only is RM100k
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Did you move toilet? or any plumbing included? looking to do house extension
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ May 31 2019, 11:16 PM)
3. I know nilai there got 1 very famous curtain. this one i bought dy too from Curtain Palace. used them before n they r good.
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You can always go to textile shop like Nagoya and buy the fabrics yourself. A lot more choices, you can even mix and match. You can also tailor each curtain to each room. Normal tailor shop, usually those that do baju raya can do curtains as well actually. You got to decide on the type of railing or how you want to hang it first.

Sometimes to be comfortable or elegant, it's not about expensive items, but items that are custom made for your own place and your liking.

If you get something you don't like, you're going to stare at it for years and feels irritated. It's simple things like this that cause unhappiness and cracks in relationship.
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QUOTE(chae @ Jun 30 2019, 08:57 AM)
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Sorry late reply. Yea, got relocate the toilet.

QUOTE(zemega @ Jun 30 2019, 09:14 AM)
You can always go to textile shop like Nagoya and buy the fabrics yourself. A lot more choices, you can even mix and match. You can also tailor each curtain to each room. Normal tailor shop, usually those that do baju raya can do curtains as well actually. You got to decide on the type of railing or how you want to hang it first.

Sometimes to be comfortable or elegant, it's not about expensive items, but items that are custom made for your own place and your liking.

If you get something you don't like, you're going to stare at it for years and feels irritated. It's simple things like this that cause unhappiness and cracks in relationship.
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Thanks for ur valuable advice. It certainly help alot

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Wireman came since 12 june. Till now not even complete 1 floor. Damn regret i take him. Somemore is recommended by LYN member...but not to blame lyn member.

Now sourcing for another wireman to take over n restart everything.

Waste time, waste energy, and waste money..holy shit
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Jun 17 2019, 03:40 PM)
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Front part extension done as well. plaster already.

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Main door. Doing plastering today
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Huh..
Why suddenly change red brick to cement type???
Should have stick to red brick only...
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post Aug 6 2019, 11:48 AM

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It has been a while din upload. busy with works n reno.

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All toilet piping done.

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Wiring done after screwed up with first electrician recommended by LYN member bangwall.gif

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Kitchen tiling done

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Plaster ceiling cover up dy
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toilet waterproofing done

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light hole opened

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Floor tiles. so in love with it wub.gif
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90k for whole house renovation extend front and back + move toilet? then is very cheap
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yup. is for extension n move toilet. Others not included.
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QUOTE(BoomerangCircles @ May 16 2019, 10:27 AM)
Crack will happen after 5-10 years. Confirm!
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but why?
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Aug 6 2019, 03:02 PM)
yup. is for extension n move toilet. Others not included.
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Klang Valley? Can share contact?
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Flooring done.... wub.gif
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Klang Valley? Can share contact?
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you may pm me smile.gif
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Aug 8 2019, 10:54 AM)
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Flooring done.... wub.gif
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look very nice .. tile or vinyl?
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QUOTE(PollyPocket85 @ Aug 8 2019, 11:08 AM)
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QUOTE(altict @ Aug 8 2019, 11:32 AM)
look very nice .. tile or vinyl?
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using tiles. at first undecided whether to choose tiles or laminate, then at the end choose tiles.
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Aug 8 2019, 10:54 AM)
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Aug 8 2019, 11:55 AM)
using tiles. at first undecided whether to choose tiles or laminate, then at the end choose tiles.
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Tiles huh? Don't look like it...
Anyhow.. Mind asking how much per piece 🙏
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 8 2019, 08:10 PM)
Tiles huh? Don't look like it...
Anyhow.. Mind asking how much per piece 🙏
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Is rm9.50 per pcs. Expensive 😭
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Aug 9 2019, 06:04 PM)
Is rm9.50 per pcs. Expensive 😭
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but is look nice this is worth it
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Is rm9.50 per pcs. Expensive 😭
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what size is that?

but looks good yo rclxms.gif

no discount given for your purchase?
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QUOTE(altict @ Aug 9 2019, 05:05 PM)
but is look nice this is worth it
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True though..but shd given another chance, i may choose laminate. Cheaper price + more ‘real’ feel.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 9 2019, 05:08 PM)
what size is that?

but looks good yo  rclxms.gif

no discount given for your purchase?
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20cm x 100cm
Discounted dy. bought almost 580pcs for whole hse. There goes the money
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Aug 9 2019, 06:13 PM)
True though..but shd given another chance, i may choose laminate. Cheaper price + more ‘real’ feel.
20cm x 100cm
Discounted dy. bought almost 580pcs for whole hse. There goes the money
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i will do half half 1st floor tiles second floor vinyl
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20cm x 100cm
Discounted dy. bought almost 580pcs for whole hse. There goes the money
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wow..
already discounted.. yet that pricing..
must be super AAA grade tiles biggrin.gif heavy duty type...
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wow..
already discounted.. yet that pricing..
must be super AAA grade tiles  biggrin.gif  heavy duty type...
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I still remember many years back bought Niro tiles 3x3 feet for indoor and it cost RM90 per piece. Tiles price sometimes can be quite hefty
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I still remember many years back bought Niro tiles 3x3 feet for indoor and it cost RM90 per piece. Tiles price sometimes can be quite hefty
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Is really paying for quality
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See how u look at the tiles 😎
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If u feel u overpaid.. Then means overpaid yo...

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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Aug 9 2019, 05:13 PM)
True though..but shd given another chance, i may choose laminate. Cheaper price + more ‘real’ feel.
20cm x 100cm
Discounted dy. bought almost 580pcs for whole hse. There goes the money
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Bro buy from where the wood tiles?
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i will do half half 1st floor tiles second floor vinyl
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good choice

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 9 2019, 06:19 PM)
wow..
already discounted.. yet that pricing..
must be super AAA grade tiles  biggrin.gif  heavy duty type...
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i tot the price is cheap laugh.gif

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I am using spotlights,7w hence got lot of lights. Bought at Wong Lighting.

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Bro buy from where the wood tiles?
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Not cheap actually.. also not high side too..
Just middle ground.. which I think is justified given the design & durability I guess 😁
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widening the front gate pillar...now the size is around 16.5 ft for the gate flex.gif

TNB just relocate the tnb meter which i ofund it unnecessary for them to do it. My wireman can do it with cheaper price. What a waste to pay TNB to do it, some more is unfinished job. doh.gif

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Do you move your water meter as well?
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Kitchen cabinet half way done. Left table top and door...
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have u consider the smart home to automate the switches? it will be good to consider it during reno, lesser headache in future.
also the smart lock u have come with wifi or push notification to phone?
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have u consider the smart home to automate the switches? it will be good to consider it during reno, lesser headache in future.
also the smart lock u have come with wifi or push notification to phone?
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safer with a foundation to avoid cracks etc.

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Hi,

PM you for your contractor & wiremen contacts.

BTW, how much you spend for your kitchen cabinet & counter top?
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latest update from last 2 weeks....
house left sofa to come in then fully completed...hahaha.....end of all the hassles after 4 months biggrin.gif

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Install kitchen top and vanity

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Staircase lighting

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Nice

Appreciate if u can share with us more info eg ur house size and renovation cost.

Cant wait to see completed photos
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you installed the water filter before the meter?
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you installed the water filter before the meter?
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Hi Adrian,

Nice house!

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Nice

Appreciate if u can share with us more info eg ur house size and renovation cost.

Cant wait to see completed photos
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Renovation (wet works) 108k
Electric 15k, 6k cheated by first wireman
Plaster ceiling 6k
Cabinet (kitchen, wardrobe, bed frame, tv console, vanity) 36k
Autogate 8.5k
Tiles 11.5k
4 Aircon 9k
Cctv 1.1k
Alarm 2.5k
Lighting 3.5k
Paint 3k
Relocate meter 1k
Grill 3k
Window sliding door 4k

Not include furniture n appliances.
Wallet burst max and got big hole. sad.gif

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Brother. In the end you use what material for your kitchen cabinets? 3G/4G or nyatoh? Because I don’t see the finished kitchen cabinets.

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Sep 8 2019, 03:19 PM)
Brother. In the end you use what material for your kitchen cabinets? 3G/4G or nyatoh? Because I don’t see the finished kitchen cabinets.
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Sneak preview...heheh..

Let me tidy up my hse then will show the hse outcome.
Reply to ur question, table top using semangkok solid wood and swing door using 4g
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wah nice reno. What a big budget you have, if Im doing the same thing as u are,confim need to eat grass for 10 years
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wah nice reno. What a big budget you have, if Im doing the same thing as u are,confim need to eat grass for 10 years
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Thanks. Now i am eating grass dy..no more nice meal, everyday economy rice
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Sneak preview...heheh..

Let me tidy up my hse then will show the hse outcome.
Reply to ur question, table top using semangkok solid wood and swing door using 4g
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I like subway tiles too. But i would prefer staggered. How much is the subway tiles?

Did you check the price for nyatoh? I’m planning to have nyatoh for cabinet doors.

I’m planning to plant some grass too for breakfast, lunch and dinner laugh.gif
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Sep 9 2019, 08:18 PM)
I like subway tiles too. But i would prefer staggered. How much is the subway tiles?

Did you check the price for nyatoh? I’m planning to have nyatoh for cabinet doors.

I’m planning to plant some grass too for breakfast, lunch and dinner laugh.gif
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that tiles cost me less than RM2 per tiles biggrin.gif

price for nyatoh is slightly cheaper a bit. around RM10-RM20 difference based on sqft.

hahahha...pls plant for me as well...

by the way, u started reno dy?
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Sep 10 2019, 09:20 AM)
that tiles cost me less than RM2 per tiles  biggrin.gif

price for nyatoh is slightly cheaper a bit. around RM10-RM20 difference based on sqft.

hahahha...pls plant for me as well...

by the way, u started reno dy?
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Glad to hear that nyatoh is cheaper than glass. I thought nyatoh is expensive hence why people seldom use. But turns out just that people prefer glass, nothing to do with price.

Just started research only. VP expected Dec 19. Need to prioritize according to budget, whichever can do later, will do later.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Sep 10 2019, 09:41 AM)
Glad to hear that nyatoh is cheaper than glass. I thought nyatoh is expensive hence why people seldom use. But turns out just that people prefer glass, nothing to do with price.

Just started research only. VP expected Dec 19. Need to prioritize according to budget, whichever can do later, will do later.
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glass? you mean quartz?
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Sep 6 2019, 03:35 PM)

latest update from last 2 weeks....
house left sofa to come in then fully completed...hahaha.....end of all the hassles after 4 months  biggrin.gif 

https://i.ibb.co/0mMnXVr/IMG-1438.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/McSd8fJ/IMG-1424.jpg

Install kitchen top and vanity

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Staircase lighting

https://i.ibb.co/sQpR99R/707d2f2a-ffd7-4de5...9fd50a92843.jpg

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Sliding door installed. Tinted done!

https://i.ibb.co/wJcVz7y/IMG-2298.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/0qbffDW/0-B51-F18-E-6-F70-...7748-DE2-D0.jpg

Autogate...love the most  drool.gif
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I like the autogate and the extension you did on the porch!
I recently got a quote to do this extension on the porch to park 2 cars, spruce up the 2 storey linked property with new windows and doors, new bathrooms (3 only) and retiling kitchen. No extension. And the quote was RM100k?!?

Can you please advise me if I need to contact any got office to check if planning permission is needed for KL area?

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QUOTE(Lcy23 @ Sep 10 2019, 11:06 AM)
I like the autogate and the extension you did on the porch!
I recently got a quote to do this extension on the porch to park 2 cars, spruce up the 2 storey linked property with new windows and doors, new bathrooms (3 only) and retiling kitchen. No extension. And the quote was RM100k?!?
Can you please advise me if I need to contact any got office to check if planning permission is needed for KL area?
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haha...100k is rly a bit over then...
yes, you need to get reno permit from local council. if not, they will come after you...
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glass? you mean quartz?
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I mean 3G/4G kitchen cabinet door which is a glass coated plywood instead of nyatoh door.
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I mean 3G/4G kitchen cabinet door which is a glass coated plywood instead of nyatoh door.
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nyatoh door then is cheaper. but idk the price. coz i am using solid wood for table top only. cabinet door is 4g.
which 1 you engaged then?
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haha...100k is rly a bit over then...
yes, you need to get reno permit from local council. if not, they will come after you...
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Did you apply for this on your own?
How long did it take?
Thanks!
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Did you apply for this on your own?
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yup. if everything ok, it takes about a week. consider fast though
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preview for living room and kitchen...some deco still hvnt put up..

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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Sep 11 2019, 09:56 AM)
preview for living room and kitchen...some deco still hvnt put up..

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What downlights are these? Very cozy
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Renovation for 100k is consider reasonable especially when tiling and toilet are involve
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What downlights are these? Very cozy
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Is a spotlight. Not usual downlight.

QUOTE(sonerin @ Sep 11 2019, 05:07 PM)
Renovation for 100k is consider reasonable especially when tiling and toilet are involve
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Okok la. At first i tot 50k can kaotim everything 😂
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Is a spotlight. Not usual downlight.

Okok la. At first i tot 50k can kaotim everything 😂
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Bro, this one included all rooms and toilets ke? Planned to do renovation whole house later on at seremban 2.
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Nice smile.gif

May I know where did you get these from?
1. Door
2. Kitchen cabinet

Thanks!
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QUOTE(SGLT2 @ Sep 15 2019, 11:11 PM)
Bro, this one included all rooms and toilets ke? Planned to do renovation whole house later on at seremban 2.
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U mean the price or reno?
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May I know where did you get these from?
1. Door
2. Kitchen cabinet

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Main door from a shop near my hse. Is called BSL door and hardware if i not mistaken

Kitchen..hmm..not so recommended due to the quality. But the wood table top fully recommended. From fine grit studio
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What do you mean included?
U mean the price or reno?
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For 108k included whole bedrooms/bathrooms?
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For 108k included whole bedrooms/bathrooms?
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Nope. Only wet works like extension, relocate toilet, painting.

Not include cabinet and bathroom accessibility. These i bought it separately

Ur hse is under ijm?
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Nope. Only wet works like extension, relocate toilet, painting.

Not include cabinet and bathroom accessibility. These i bought it separately

Ur hse is under ijm?
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Oic. So total expenditure closed to 200k? Yup, mine at sophia seremban 2. Your contractor based in kl or seremban?
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Oic. So total expenditure closed to 200k? Yup, mine at sophia seremban 2. Your contractor based in kl or seremban?
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Include furniture around there. But reno part cost i did post before, i think in previous page.

But ur hse pretty new and nice. No need do much also.

Bout my contractor, he based in kl. not sure whether he got do any in s2. Pm me if u wan the contact then u can ask him directly 😁
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Nope. Only wet works like extension, relocate toilet, painting.

Not include cabinet and bathroom accessibility. These i bought it separately

Ur hse is under ijm?
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Hi Bro, please share contact of your contractor..looks neat..
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Hey bro, mind share contractor contact? Nice house btw.
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Nice and cozy home, how much you bought for the smart lock and wooden main door?
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QUOTE(jackycrazy @ Sep 26 2019, 10:33 PM)
Hey bro, mind share contractor contact? Nice house btw.
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Pm

QUOTE(Margaret91 @ Sep 27 2019, 10:05 AM)
Nice and cozy home, how much you bought for the smart lock and wooden main door?
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Lock around 2.8k if i not mistaken
Door around 3k

U planning to get 1 too?
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Pm
Lock around 2.8k if i not mistaken
Door around 3k

U planning to get 1 too?
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Still consider want install smart lock or traditional safety lock.
I need to buy single leaf main door and 4 units for room.

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Thanks for all the comments. all the best to those having and going for reno thumbsup.gif
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My last update after all...

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Thanks for all the comments. all the best to those having and going for reno  :thumbsup:
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Very nice. Bro how do you hide the cables from your tv to socket? I don’t see any cables and it’s wall mounted.

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Very nice. Bro how do you hide the cables from your tv to socket? I don’t see any cables and it’s wall mounted.
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there is a hole behind tv that connected to tv cabinet. need some hacking at the wall
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bro nice house!
can i know how do you decide how much lights to use for your living area and rooms?
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QUOTE(10071985 @ Oct 21 2019, 01:14 PM)
bro nice house!
can i know how do you decide how much lights to use for your living area and rooms?
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living area about 30 eye balls. masterroom about 22 eye balls. in total house close to 100 brows.gif
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living area about 30 eye balls. masterroom about 22 eye balls. in total house close to 100  brows.gif
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drool.gif that is a lot!
i guess i shall up my number of lights. better to have more than less
and your KC is awesome! my wife totally love this design
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QUOTE(10071985 @ Oct 21 2019, 04:31 PM)
drool.gif that is a lot!
i guess i shall up my number of lights. better to have more than less
and your KC is awesome! my wife totally love this design
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Thank you.

By the way, what is KC? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Oct 21 2019, 04:49 PM)
Thank you.

By the way, what is KC?  laugh.gif
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haha kitchen cabinet
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Very nice reno! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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post Oct 22 2019, 06:08 PM

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really nice reno oh. can stay forever dy
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what wood did you use for the kitchen top, color is nice. hope its not semangkok.
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Semangkok no good?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Oct 22 2019, 10:07 PM)
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what wood did you use for the kitchen top, color is nice. hope its not semangkok.
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Semangkok no good?
What wood is good for table top?
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Oct 22 2019, 11:16 PM)
Semangkok no good?
What wood is good for table top?
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its ok for cabinet use, for kitchen table top, usually go with more durable woods, i usually use oak, but plenty of options like beech or sapele etc ,
since already done, not much can be done, just enjoy it as it does looks good.. biggrin.gif
the maker should have explain such things to owners though. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Oct 22 2019, 11:16 PM)
Semangkok no good?
What wood is good for table top?
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I wouldn't even consider nyatoh for countertop especially for wet kitchen. Semangkok has the hardness of similar to rubberwood. In terms of durability and Janka hardness you want to use balau, cengal, belian, merbau for local woods. I like American Walnut and oak too but wood are harder to take care and not as hygienic to prepare food. I will go with Silestone quartz for my countertops.

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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Oct 21 2019, 09:39 AM)
My last update after all...

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Thanks for all the comments. all the best to those having and going for reno  thumbsup.gif
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Nice renovation bro, may i know where did you get this ceiling fan and which brand? Thanks!
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u must piling as well before start reno...so that it will than 20 -30 years
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Sep 16 2019, 08:52 AM)
What do you mean included?
U mean the price or reno?
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Main door from a shop near my hse. Is called BSL door and hardware if i not mistaken

Kitchen..hmm..not so recommended due to the quality. But the wood table top fully recommended. From fine grit studio
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Hmm can you explain more on the kitchen quality? Thanks smile.gif
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QUOTE(eric8188 @ Oct 24 2019, 08:04 AM)
Nice renovation bro, may i know where did you get this ceiling fan and which brand? Thanks!
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ceiling fan from house lighting puchong lo..is aeratron smile.gif

QUOTE(apalexar @ Oct 24 2019, 08:44 AM)
Hmm can you explain more on the kitchen quality? Thanks smile.gif
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so far so good...but i believe can be better...just a bit not happy with the laminate ppart
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Oct 24 2019, 10:57 AM)
ceiling fan from house lighting puchong lo..is aeratron smile.gif
so far so good...but i believe can be better...just a bit not happy with the laminate ppart
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Mind to share the contact of contractor? Might need it if couldn't find one in future, thanks.
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QUOTE(dainuri @ Oct 24 2019, 08:43 AM)
u must piling as well before start reno...so that it will than 20 -30 years
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No you don't. It depends on ground condition. Furthermore if u intend to do piling, its almost like rebuild not renovation.
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just love to see newly renovated rooms. Before it gets cluttered up.
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Sep 8 2019, 09:24 AM)
Renovation (wet works) 108k
Electric 15k, 6k cheated by first wireman
Plaster ceiling 6k
Cabinet (kitchen, wardrobe, bed frame, tv console, vanity) 36k
Autogate 8.5k
Tiles 11.5k
4 Aircon 9k
Cctv 1.1k
Alarm 2.5k
Lighting 3.5k
Paint 3k
Relocate meter 1k
Grill 3k
Window sliding door 4k

Not include furniture n appliances.
Wallet burst max and got big hole. sad.gif
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Hi Ts,

Mind if I asking which brand & model of cctv+alarm you are using? You installed both during which stage of your reno?
Any feedback? Im now surveying for my upcoming dream house but I've 0 experience on reno.
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Nice house! May i know whats your house ceiling height? Seems quite high from the photos.
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QUOTE(tony_mw @ Feb 21 2020, 09:41 AM)
Hi Ts,

Mind if I asking which brand & model of cctv+alarm you are using? You installed both during which stage of your reno?
Any feedback? Im now surveying for my upcoming dream house but I've 0 experience on reno.
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yup. installed during reno time.
I am using dahua...in fact dahua or hik both are good brand. u wont go wrong with this 2 brands

QUOTE(v1nc3z @ Feb 23 2020, 10:54 PM)
Nice house! May i know whats your house ceiling height? Seems quite high from the photos.
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about 10 ft height
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[quote=adrian0229,Feb 28 2020, 09:52 AM]
yup. installed during reno time.
I am using dahua...in fact dahua or hik both are good brand. u wont go wrong with this 2 brands

Alarm system using dahua as well? The price has included installation and wiring right?(sorry if this a noob question, Im an newbie on this haha)
Can share me your contractor contact?
Many thanks.
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Wah TS ur house so nice, can I ask u some questions as I recently bought a double storey 24x64 built up only 1650sqf. Everything not usable, wiring and piping all those also need to do, basically need to reno from scratch. 4 bedroom 3 bath. Can I know in your experience, roughly how much to reno all? Let say exclude extension but do u know like ask architect to draw and get approval for extension cost how much?
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QUOTE(mavistan89 @ Mar 4 2020, 01:43 AM)
Wah TS ur house so nice, can I ask u some questions as I recently bought a double storey 24x64 built up only 1650sqf. Everything not usable, wiring and piping all those also need to do, basically need to reno from scratch. 4 bedroom 3 bath. Can I know in your experience, roughly how much to reno all? Let say exclude extension but do u know like ask architect to draw and get approval for extension cost how much?
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seriously no idea but normally need to get ready 100k. pocket sure big big hole after this ...haha

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QUOTE(tony_mw @ Mar 1 2020, 01:01 PM)
yup. installed during reno time.
I am using dahua...in fact dahua or hik both are good brand. u wont go wrong with this 2 brands

Alarm system using dahua as well? The price has included installation and wiring right?(sorry if this a noob question, Im an newbie on this haha)
Can share me your contractor contact?
Many thanks.
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I am using bluguard for my house alarm. price include installation and wiring smile.gif
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ Mar 4 2020, 11:48 AM)
I am using bluguard for my house alarm. price include installation and wiring smile.gif
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Thank you bro!
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Nice reno bro, mind to PM me the wet works contractor? Good if got plumber & electrician contact too, wanted to extend 5 x 22 feet kitchen. Thanks.

 

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