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post May 16 2019, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(duHwaN @ May 16 2019, 08:56 AM)
Erhmm some taxi drivers and lorries sort of like that also... I see no difference.

What exactly in the PSV syllabus that is actually useful?
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Taxi drivers. I can't disagree on shit attitude.
Lorry drivers are more competent in driving. They're just asshole in parking, mainly because it's not easy to maneuver their 20 feet long trailers


The difference between Taxi/Lorry drivers and Grab drivers is that they know their route.
They're not lady (or men drive like lady) drivers that P drivers. They die die want to take Waze route and don't plan ahead when it comes to upcoming exits etc. They'll make sudden turns onto exit ramps and would be willing to stop all traffic just so they can get into their preferred lane.

This is my anecdote from driving behind Grab drivers.
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post May 16 2019, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(duHwaN @ May 16 2019, 08:50 AM)
Actually what is the purpose of PSV? Does it makes them better drivers?
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It is a market barrier, the main purpose of which is to raise the income of the market participants. If everybody and their uncle can just go join the market whenever they feel like it, the the price will crash until we reach the point where sellers make what is economically called "normal profit". It does not mean what you think it means. In economics, when talking about free markets, when you're making "normal profit", prices are so low, you're actually making no profit at all. It is the theoretical minimum sustainable price. You're just covering costs and barely surviving. If a single additional seller enters the market, the price will dip ever so slightly, that everybody start to go into negative territory.

This sort of barrier exists in every field, in every job, and is probably necessary, if the people in those industries are to many enough to live on. The question is only on how much of a barrier is reasonable. The most obvious is in some sort of licensing requirements.

The secondary purpose is to raise some funds for the government. It's only a tiny amount, but license fees are everywhere.

The third purpose is to protect some groups, who would get angry otherwise, and not vote for the politicians who remove their rice bowl. You now, those driving schools.

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post May 16 2019, 09:46 AM

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post May 16 2019, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(danielkh @ May 16 2019, 09:38 AM)
It is a market barrier, the main purpose of which is to raise the income of the market participants. If everybody and their uncle can just go join the market whenever they feel like it, the the price will crash until we reach the point where sellers make what is economically called "normal profit". It does not mean what you think it means. In economics, when talking about free markets, when you're making "normal profit", prices are so low, you're actually making no profit at all. It is the theoretical minimum sustainable price. You're just covering costs and barely surviving. If a single additional seller enters the market, the price will dip ever so slightly, that everybody start to go into negative territory.

This sort of barrier exists in every field, in every job, and is probably necessary, if the people in those industries are to many enough to live on. The question is only on how much of a barrier is reasonable. The most obvious is in some sort of licensing requirements.

The secondary purpose is to raise some funds for the government. It's only a tiny amount, but license fees are everywhere.

The third purpose is to protect some groups, who would get angry otherwise, and not vote for the politicians who remove their rice bowl. You now, those driving schools.
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The same protectionism that caused the whole industry to stagnate in the first place.

Trying to run things the old way... or "how things should be done" is folly. There is no progress to it, if it is not regressing in the first place. Competition breeds efficiency... let the less efficient ones die off.
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post May 16 2019, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(duHwaN @ May 16 2019, 08:56 AM)
Erhmm some taxi drivers and lorries sort of like that also... I see no difference.

What exactly in the PSV syllabus that is actually useful?
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More with grab than taxi.
Grab like to just stop on the road even when there is passenger pick up area next to it.
Just go KLCC and have a look.
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post May 16 2019, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(LamboSama @ May 16 2019, 09:52 AM)
More with grab than taxi.
Grab like to just stop on the road even when there is passenger pick up area next to it.
Just go KLCC and have a look.
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This one I suspect they are scared kena bantai by taxi drivers
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post May 16 2019, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ May 16 2019, 09:02 AM)
Taxi drivers. I can't disagree on shit attitude.
Lorry drivers are more competent in driving. They're just asshole in parking, mainly because it's not easy to maneuver their 20 feet long trailers
20 ft are half sized containers. We see these on the road once in a while. Standard size trailers are 40 feet long. Especially considering that joint/hitch that swivels, I'm amazed that they could maneuver it anywhere at all. I have driven those regular small lorries that only need a D + GDL. Driving them was easy. Parking was extremely difficult, even though they're so much smaller than those big trucks.. And note that you don't have a rear view mirror, because it's blocked by back of the truck.

Every other day on the road, I see inconsiderate car drivers who over take trucks and then immediately pull back to the left ahead of the truck, without leaving sufficient braking distance. Not only can't trucks stop very fast because they're heavy, if the driver stopped too suddenly, they can get killed by their own load shifting forward and into the cab, crushing the back of their head.
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The difference between Taxi/Lorry drivers and Grab drivers is that they know their route.
They're not lady (or men drive like lady) drivers that P drivers. They die die want to take Waze route and don't plan ahead when it comes to upcoming exits etc. They'll make sudden turns onto exit ramps and would be willing to stop all traffic just so they can get into their preferred lane.

This is my anecdote from driving behind Grab drivers.
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I am wondering if this is because Grab drivers are forever afraid of getting bad ratings from riders. If they miss the Waze indicated turn, the trip may take longer, and the rider could get unhappy because this waste their time, and result in a bad rating. If follow the waze route, there's no reason to complain.

Taxi drivers don't really care. If they miss one turn, you can complain, and nothing will happen. Not unless they take you on a 100km detour. Otherwise, you file the complain, it disappears into someone's desk never to be heard of again. Furthermore, grab rides are fixed price, but taxi rides are metered. So they lose nothing from the additional petrol and time spent getting you to your destination.
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post May 16 2019, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(duHwaN @ May 16 2019, 09:54 AM)
This one I suspect they are scared kena bantai by taxi drivers
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Already legal,
Scared but act worse than taxi driver.
QUOTE(danielkh @ May 16 2019, 09:54 AM)
20 ft are half sized containers. We see these on the road once in a while. Standard size trailers are 40 feet long. Especially considering that joint/hitch that swivels, I'm amazed that they could maneuver it anywhere at all. I have driven those regular small lorries that only need a D + GDL. Driving them was easy. Parking was extremely difficult, even though they're so much smaller than those big trucks.. And note that you don't have a rear view mirror, because it's blocked by back of the truck.

Every other day on the road, I see inconsiderate car drivers who over take trucks and then immediately pull back to the left ahead of the truck, without leaving sufficient braking distance. Not only can't trucks stop very fast because they're heavy, if the driver stopped too suddenly, they can get killed by their own load shifting forward and into the cab, crushing the back of their head.

I am wondering if this is because Grab drivers are forever afraid of getting bad ratings from riders. If they miss the Waze indicated turn, the trip may take longer, and the rider could get unhappy because this waste their time, and result in a bad rating. If follow the waze route, there's no reason to complain.

Taxi drivers don't really care. If they miss one turn, you can complain, and nothing will happen. Not unless they take you on a 100km detour. Otherwise, you file the complain, it disappears into someone's desk never to be heard of again. Furthermore, grab rides are fixed price, but taxi rides are metered. So they lose nothing from the additional petrol and time spent getting you to your destination.
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Also Malaysian road condition and double parkers really make it a lot harder to drive lorries sweat.gif
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post May 16 2019, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(duHwaN @ May 16 2019, 09:49 AM)
The same protectionism that caused the whole industry to stagnate in the first place.

Trying to run things the old way... or "how things should be done" is folly. There is no progress to it, if it is not regressing in the first place. Competition breeds efficiency... let the less efficient ones die off.
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There's protectionism everywhere. What are you working as in your day job? Say you're a lawyer or an accountant. The government regulates who qualifies to call themselves a lawyer or an accountant. Some reason for those regulations. Mainly market protection. Otherwise, lawyers and accountants will earn as much as bus drivers.

The people within the profession will hide behind it and say that regulation is to ensure some sort of guaranteed service level. I predict the same will happen here. Come July 12, the deadline will get postponed again. But eventually, there will be enforcement and some sort of regulation (whether watered down or not). And the people remaining in it, will claim that the PSV training and licensing will provide some assurance that drivers are conscientious good drivers on the road and not rude to passengers. "But ehailing drivers drive badly and are rude. We hear that all the time", you say. The obvious response is, "without any regulation at all, it will even be worse". They will be wrong. But there's no way for you to prove it.

PS: there is a difference in terms of degrees of market protection. It takes a couple of hours, maybe a day or two, to get the PSV, and a few hundred RM. To get a law degree and pass the bar, it's years of study and a lot more RM. But in the end, it's still market protection.

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post May 16 2019, 10:06 AM

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I always maintain Loke is the most useless minister in PH. Things like this cannot manage at earlier stage.
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post May 16 2019, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(MyJimmy @ May 16 2019, 10:06 AM)
I always maintain Loke is the most useless minister in PH. Things like this cannot manage at earlier stage.
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Nah. He's just simply in public too much. The smarter incompetents simply keep their heads down and let the KSUs keep things running. This way, you don't know that they've not done anything. If you don't try to fix anything, there's less chance of you screwing things up.
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post May 16 2019, 10:11 AM

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i thinking to take the for scaling my BM level
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QUOTE(danielkh @ May 16 2019, 10:08 AM)
Nah. He's just simply in public too much. The smarter incompetents simply keep their heads down and let the KSUs keep things running. This way, you don't know that they've not done anything. If you don't try to fix anything, there's less chance of you screwing things up.
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This is what they meant by sabotaging.
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post May 16 2019, 10:16 AM

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if issue is because test in English sure 40 pages of bashing huehuehue
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QUOTE(danielkh @ May 16 2019, 10:04 AM)
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PS: there is a difference in terms of degrees of market protection. It takes a couple of hours, maybe a day or two, to get the PSV, and a few hundred RM. To get a law degree and pass the bar, it's years of study and a lot more RM. But in the end, it's still market protection.
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If you need a defense attorney, will you get one from a reputable institution or just any cap ayam one?

If you need a ride, will you a PSV-certified taxi driver or just a Grab driver?

There is a distinct difference here. One actually came with proper training (and all the benefits from it), and the other... just for the sake of it.
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post May 16 2019, 10:44 AM

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Normally first time always failed 99 one. Once they used to it. I think a lot of cheats will come up to help to pass.
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post May 16 2019, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(unknown_2 @ May 14 2019, 02:38 PM)
born & live in m'sia edi for how many years? still dunno BM?
summore desperate until com out OKU card.
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QUOTE(brkli @ May 14 2019, 02:40 PM)
just born in Malaysia ke? since primary school already like this. annnnd, i guess u know how they get their driving license..
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post May 16 2019, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ May 16 2019, 08:52 AM)
if not Pao, yes.

because Grabdrivesr in general are no different from average P drivers.
They like to stop wherever is convenient for them (not the public), they think they're all big men/women with new car with dashcam, they don't know the roads they drive on so they end up driving like auntie when taking turns cause waiting for Waze direction.
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They have to jaga rating la. Drop off rider too far later drop star
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post May 16 2019, 12:33 PM

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The difference between who pass the test then we know that you know. Where as the one who do not take the test then we not sure you know.

Therefore for one who pass the test ignorance is not an excuse

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