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 Ultimate Discussions of ASB1/2-Financing, questions/comments/criticisms welcome

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post May 2 2019, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(cococonutseller @ May 2 2019, 05:19 PM)
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post May 2 2019, 05:44 PM

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So if I can't affor RM 900 per month, but probably RM 450 per month. Can I get loan for RM 100k at first? And maybe later if I can afford RM 900 per month, can I upgrade(?)/refinance the loan to RM 200k? Or just get another loan for another RM 100k?
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post May 2 2019, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(zemega @ May 2 2019, 05:44 PM)
So if I can't affor RM 900 per month, but probably RM 450 per month. Can I get loan for RM 100k at first? And maybe later if I can afford RM 900 per month, can I upgrade(?)/refinance the loan to RM 200k? Or just get another loan for another RM 100k?
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You can do either. The best answer is to determine the rate being offered in the future. Would it be better to refinance the 100k into a new 200k loan, or to keep the old 100k and just add another 100k.

For now, just take 100k first at 4.85% p.a.
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post May 2 2019, 05:48 PM

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Which bank has the best rate now?
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post May 2 2019, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(fath82 @ May 2 2019, 05:48 PM)
Which bank has the best rate now?
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Two banks have the best rate of 4.85% p.a. now
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post May 2 2019, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 05:49 PM)
Two banks have the best rate of 4.85% p.a. now
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I know one is HLB. What is the other bank?
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post May 2 2019, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(kucingrimau @ May 2 2019, 05:56 PM)
I know one is HLB. What is the other bank?
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post May 2 2019, 06:10 PM

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Hi..i take asb loan 200k 4 years ago..now in asb alrdy have 260k..60k dividen softcap...can i take 60k out and put at asb2 and do another 60k loan or better i just take loan for asb2?
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 06:00 PM)
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I already got 30k loan with MBB. Loan balance 18k. But interest at 5.25%. I was offered by HLB interest rate 4.85%. He suggest me to switch to HLB. But I was thinking then I would lose the 30k cert, and end up start new loan to get that same 30k cert. Is my thinking correct? I don't know whether worth it or not to start new loan even though I can see the benefit of lower interest.
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post May 2 2019, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(requiem318 @ May 2 2019, 06:10 PM)
Hi..i take asb loan 200k 4 years ago..now in asb alrdy have 260k..60k dividen softcap...can i take 60k out and put at asb2 and do another 60k loan or better i just take loan for asb2?
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1. You can loan an absolute max of 200k, so your first method-attemp would not work

2. Asb2 is currently closed for all banks, only opening for a short while before closing again. You need to be lucky to be able to loan for asb2

So there... You may consider refinancing your asb1 finance if the rate is above 4.85% though

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post May 2 2019, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(kucingrimau @ May 2 2019, 06:15 PM)
I already got 30k loan with MBB. Loan balance 18k. But interest at 5.25%. I was offered by HLB interest rate 4.85%. He suggest me to switch to HLB. But I was thinking then I would lose the 30k cert, and end up start new loan to get that same 30k cert. Is my thinking correct? I don't know whether worth it or not to start new loan even though I can see the benefit of lower interest.
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Its not just the lower interest. You would get the capital which you can further reinvest in asb as cash

Worth it
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post May 2 2019, 06:27 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 06:17 PM)
1. You can loan an absolute max of 200k, so your first method-attemp would not work

2. Asb2 is currently closed for all banks, only opening for a short while before closing again. You need to be lucky to be able to loan for asb2

So there... You may consider refinancing your asb1 finance if the rate is above 4.85% though
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I see..thnks..if i do the refinance i will loss the dividen for at least 1 month rite?

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post May 2 2019, 06:33 PM

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asb is just another ponzi scheme la
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post May 2 2019, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 06:18 PM)
Its not just the lower interest. You would get the capital which you can further reinvest in asb as cash

Worth it
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The bank person did mention about capital. I don't understand how taking the dividend to reinvest into the loan will do me any good. It's like I'm giving the dividend that I waited to get for few years to the bank for free. Actually I was getting angry when he suggested that. I actually put down the phone before he could explain further.
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 03:52 PM)
Yeah, as you can see through skimming.. you would notice that the units are being auctions at below the loan outstanding prices. For example: Mr. Lee bought a property from a developer at RM500k, with all the rebates and what not, he only took an RM400k loan. After the property is completed, he could not afford the installment due to the lack or low rental income coming from that property. The property was repossessed by the bank and auctioned off at RM300k after a few rounds of no-bids, thus reducing its reserved price.

Mr. Lee now owes the bank RM100k, which is the difference between RM400k vs RM300k, and since this amount is above RM50k, the bank has the right to sue him to bankruptcy to recover their losses.

This is what  I meant with the advantage of fixed-price of ASB units. The RM200k loan that you took is collateralized by RM200k worth of units, which would not have lost any value going forward. THe moment you can't pay your installments, the bank will just sell the RM200k certificate back to ASNB, get their balance back which would always be lower than RM200k (due to you paying your installments over the years), and you would in fact, end up with cash.

No bankrupcies. Unlike Mr. Lee.
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ok understand
you have very good personal skill
so thats how people go bankrupt, no wonder
thats why i never support house as investment but as ownstay
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QUOTE(bee88 @ May 2 2019, 04:27 PM)
Asb isn’t giving the best return? U must be kidding. Tell me other funds by private sector which are guaranteed capital and interest higher than loan repayment since inception.  If it is not the best fund u can get, then I think you are just not grateful to be eligible.
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 04:30 PM)
where got guaranteed. You have to look at returns from the perspective of annualized returns, the longer the better. There are other funds giving higher annualized returns than ASB. Public Mutual's Ittikal fund for example.

"not grateful" whahaahahaha... what the hell do you think I am doing now?  laugh.gif
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post May 2 2019, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(requiem318 @ May 2 2019, 06:27 PM)
I see..thnks..if i do the refinance i will loss the dividen for at least 1 month rite?
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Yes. but if your interest rate is high anyway, you would recoup that "loss" within a year or two. For example, your current financing is 5.45%, and the best rate is 4.85%. The difference is 0.6%. If you have RM100,000 financing, you would have lost RM600 for that year alone. By refinancing, you would lose 1 month's dividend which is when calculated equals to:

RM100k x 6.5% /12 = RM541.

So you sacrificed a year's worth of dividend to save 0.6% interest each year.

QUOTE(apek 77 @ May 2 2019, 06:33 PM)
asb is just another ponzi scheme la
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Can you prove it? Or did you just pull it out of you behind?

QUOTE(kucingrimau @ May 2 2019, 06:35 PM)
The bank person did mention about capital. I don't understand how taking the dividend to reinvest into the loan will do me any good. It's like I'm giving the dividend that I waited to get for few years to the bank for free. Actually I was getting angry when he suggested that. I actually put down the phone before he could explain further.
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We could do a sit down or I could try to explain it here.

Take this example, someone who refinanced at the 5th year, he would have earn back RM12k in capital.

So when he refinance, his capital would be RM200k (new financing), RM17k (the capital returned to him) and RM74k which is the dividend he has collected over the 5 years, for a total capital of RM291k. So going forward, in the next year his dividend would be calculated based on the RM291k capital.

Compare this to him staying put, his capital would only be be RM274k

You are essentially comparing 6.5% (expected dividend) on RM291k vs RM274k

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ok understand
you have very good personal skill
so thats how people go bankrupt, no wonder
thats why i never support house as investment but as ownstay
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Thank you.


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bank rakyat the best ever i believe damn 14 percent
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yeap, but limited units biggrin.gif You have to queue and wait for your turn/chance
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post May 2 2019, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 07:38 PM)
Yes. but if your interest rate is high anyway, you would recoup that "loss" within a year or two. For example, your current financing is 5.45%, and the best rate is 4.85%. The difference is 0.6%. If you have RM100,000 financing, you would have lost RM600 for that year alone. By refinancing, you would lose 1 month's dividend which is when calculated equals to:

RM100k x 6.5% /12 = RM541.

So you sacrificed a year's worth of dividend to save 0.6% interest each year.
Can you prove it? Or did you just pull it out of you behind?
We could do a sit down or I could try to explain it here.

Take this example, someone who refinanced at the 5th year, he would have earn back RM12k in capital.

So when he refinance, his capital would be RM200k (new financing), RM17k (the capital returned to him) and RM74k which is the dividend he has collected over the 5 years, for a total capital of RM291k. So going forward, in the next year his dividend would be calculated based on the RM291k capital.

Compare this to him staying put, his capital would only be be RM274k

You are essentially comparing 6.5% (expected dividend) on RM291k vs RM274k

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Sorry. The 74k is dividend. But 12k and 17k come from where?
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post May 2 2019, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(kucingrimau @ May 2 2019, 07:42 PM)
Sorry. The 74k is dividend. But 12k and 17k come from where?
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Sorry, RM12k, not RM17k, as per the example. I was so used with a 30-year calculation that the new 35-year calculation threw me off. Just to be clear, all numbers and figures here is based on loan cancellation after the 5th year, for an RM200k loan with a tenure of 35 years at a rate of 4.85%

1. When you refinance, you current bank will sell off the collateral. The collateral would not change in value, it would remain as RM200k (in this example that is).

2. When the collateral is sold back to ASNB, the bank will get RM200k worth of cash. The bank will only take whatever loan balance which is RM188k, and the balance of RM12k would be returned to you.

3. When you get your new financing, you would get the full limit available to you, which is RM200k.

4. So now your capital is RM200k (new loan) + RM12k (returned capital from the previous loan) + RM74k = RM286k vs a capital of RM274k if you had remained with the current bank

5. When you choose to refinance, consider advantages below, if they are suitable, go ahead and do so:

a) lower interest rates than the ones you are currently experiencing
b) longer tenure (new products, longer tenure)
c) returned capital (some of you have mistaken taken long and expensive ASB-f insurance, and would receive very little capital, you can get the rest from the insurance companies later but that is besides the point)

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