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 Ultimate Discussions of ASB1/2-Financing, questions/comments/criticisms welcome

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kucingrimau
post May 2 2019, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 05:49 PM)
Two banks have the best rate of 4.85% p.a. now
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I know one is HLB. What is the other bank?
kucingrimau
post May 2 2019, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 06:00 PM)
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I already got 30k loan with MBB. Loan balance 18k. But interest at 5.25%. I was offered by HLB interest rate 4.85%. He suggest me to switch to HLB. But I was thinking then I would lose the 30k cert, and end up start new loan to get that same 30k cert. Is my thinking correct? I don't know whether worth it or not to start new loan even though I can see the benefit of lower interest.
kucingrimau
post May 2 2019, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 06:18 PM)
Its not just the lower interest. You would get the capital which you can further reinvest in asb as cash

Worth it
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The bank person did mention about capital. I don't understand how taking the dividend to reinvest into the loan will do me any good. It's like I'm giving the dividend that I waited to get for few years to the bank for free. Actually I was getting angry when he suggested that. I actually put down the phone before he could explain further.
kucingrimau
post May 2 2019, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 07:38 PM)
Yes. but if your interest rate is high anyway, you would recoup that "loss" within a year or two. For example, your current financing is 5.45%, and the best rate is 4.85%. The difference is 0.6%. If you have RM100,000 financing, you would have lost RM600 for that year alone. By refinancing, you would lose 1 month's dividend which is when calculated equals to:

RM100k x 6.5% /12 = RM541.

So you sacrificed a year's worth of dividend to save 0.6% interest each year.
Can you prove it? Or did you just pull it out of you behind?
We could do a sit down or I could try to explain it here.

Take this example, someone who refinanced at the 5th year, he would have earn back RM12k in capital.

So when he refinance, his capital would be RM200k (new financing), RM17k (the capital returned to him) and RM74k which is the dividend he has collected over the 5 years, for a total capital of RM291k. So going forward, in the next year his dividend would be calculated based on the RM291k capital.

Compare this to him staying put, his capital would only be be RM274k

You are essentially comparing 6.5% (expected dividend) on RM291k vs RM274k

Thank you.
yeap, but limited units  biggrin.gif You have to queue and wait for your turn/chance
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Sorry. The 74k is dividend. But 12k and 17k come from where?
kucingrimau
post May 2 2019, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 07:49 PM)
Sorry, RM12k, not RM17k, as per the example. I was so used with a 30-year calculation that the new 35-year calculation threw me off. Just to be clear, all numbers and figures here is based on loan cancellation after the 5th year, for an RM200k loan with a tenure of 35 years at a rate of 4.85%

1. When you refinance, you current bank will sell off the collateral. The collateral would not change in value, it would remain as RM200k (in this example that is).

2. When the collateral is sold back to ASNB, the bank will get RM200k worth of cash. The bank will only take whatever loan balance which is RM188k, and the balance of RM12k would be returned to you. 

3. When you get your new financing, you would get the full limit available to you, which is RM200k.

4. So now your capital is RM200k (new loan) + RM12k (returned capital from the previous loan) + RM74k = RM286k vs a capital of RM274k if you had remained with the current bank

5. When you choose to refinance, consider advantages below, if they are suitable, go ahead and do so:

a) lower interest rates than the ones you are currently experiencing
b) longer tenure (new products, longer tenure)
c) returned capital (some of you have mistaken taken long and expensive ASB-f insurance, and would receive very little capital, you can get the rest from the insurance companies later but that is besides the point)
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I get it now. Tq


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