I need advice as now my family a bit upset. They inform me one of our condo have implement face recognition system to replace the current normal access card system without getting views from residents. System already installed and going to be implemented. This a a new condo of only less than 3 years. No other condo has done this or change a system in such a new condo... so must be some $$$ involved.

I also think they cannot simply install or change the current system given by developer right? And they cannot use maintenance money for this kind of implementation. If they want to use sinking fund, need resident approval and meeting. So i suspect they break laws. What action can take?


Further more we will have a lot of problem if use the new system. As this is a family home/holiday home, we often have different family members frequent the place. Sometimes friends stay there too. Don't expect all to register face. And they are old and kids too. Even to walk in need scan face which currently we just use access card.

Mom also mentions a lot of money spending after new committee formed and new chairperson. Spend money like water. Doing extra wiring, add unnecessary items ... everything is about spending money and not saving. Whom/which authority can i write in to? I am based in Spore but do fly back often.

Need some opinion before ask my family to consult our developer lawyers on what actions can be taken.

Value valuable advise.

/k is not a place for your to seek serious advice...

try other subforum.

anyway, do you have a JMB?

Refuse?

Ask for refund

So high tech ?

Must b umbrella corp

I guess to ban airbnb/homestay/short tem stay.
Mind if you are able to share which project is this? In Klang Valley or somewhere else?

which forum?

yes.... its JMB work all this.

Family never attend management meeting? Or got building resident chat group?
By right all these thing discussed with resident 1st.

Sounds more like your family doesn't attend the residents' AGM. First thing to do is to speak to the JMB and ask them what's going on. If they're uncooperative, try to see if there are other residents who share your views. Normally you all should have a WhatsApp group or something.

penang

Honestly I don't mind the committee is spending money to make the community stay more pleasant. They have reports posted and even AGM to keep all the owner informed of their progress and projects.

If you are dead serious on objecting these, try go to their meeting and table out your concern.

Got discussed in management meeting or not?
Doubt it never discussed in management meeting and can simply implement it. Maybe most residents there already have enough with BnB/homestay owner so agree to this drastic action.

Airbnb owner

Make this to screw Airbnb

throw loyar letter

Answering your PM, I think your mother's information may not be completely reliable if you family has never attended an AGM. If your family has put you in charge of this, get information firsthand from the JMB or other residents before proceeding. All it takes is a few phone calls and Whatsapp messages.

Maybe got consent from majority of the residents during meeting , that u didn't know coz didn't attend le......
I think is a good move where security is much heightened, won't oppose it

itu la.. never went for jmb meeting..

more like JMB get majority vote agreeing to the install, so they go with the change

BF cannot snake in anymore ?

Residents got WhatsApp group right? Ask for residents meeting with management to vote if majority agree or against the new system.

More like TS family out of the loop, never attend AGM and never read the minutes

Who knows, ts say his family and all neighbors also don't know.

But ts now cannot post because limit reached

Just admit la

You in Air bnb biz ?

Pee around the block to show your dominance

sell the house

pindah elsewhere

Guaranteed sonlap
JMB crony punya project

So obvious nobody want to rent your house and forced to do homestay. Homestay owner can go to hell. Got law ban homestay. When I was JMb president, I also did fingerprint scanner. Many homestay owner go out of business.

definitely to counter this^

I agree with face ID

Maybe. But when I am JMB president, I did the same thing to destroy homestay aka airbnb

Upset? Access cards are well known to be easily cloned. If the system works, then it is a very good thing.

Yes, the management can change the current system. And, no, they didn't break any law. You better read the Strata Management Act. And nothing in the Act requires the approval of the residents in a general meeting to use the sinking fund.

The sinking fund can only be used for repainting the building and for capital expenditures and not for maintenance purposes. For example, buying a new lift is considered a capital expenditure but repairing the lift is considered as maintenance. To pay for repairing is use the money from the maintenance fund.

Most likely that's the case and it is a good thing to ban airbnb in condos. Condo security would be totally meaningless if everyday got hundreds of new residents.

sell cheap cheap to me

Residents who are not owners have no right to attend general meetings. Only owners (who may not necessarily be residents) can attend general meetings.

And many ignorantly thought that many matters need approval in general meetings when in fact there are not many things that require their approvals.

What sort of things that require owners' approvals? Examples: raising maintenance and sinking fund rates, changing or adding new by-laws and electing committee members.

TS, what condo name u staying ?

If follow this new, this tech need to be regulated

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...t-be-regulated/

1. JMB can implement as long as they discussed and got majority vote to approve during AGM. Did you family even bother to attend AGM?

2. If family home then just register your family la. Apa susah? How big is your family anyways and takkan everyone come one by one? If come for family vacation sure come in a group what, one or 2 person from the group register sudah la.

3. Just admit it, your family doing Airbnb right?

Proposal to regulate because of privacy concerns? What a bunch of idiots. Might as well ban the use of CCTVs in condos. It's just a form of biometric security lah.

More and more governments around the world are using this tech because can detect from far.

Maybe can look at PDPA. Something useful must be there.

Wrong. The majority approval that is needed is during a committee meeting. Not every matter is required to be approved in a general meeting. Or else change security firm or lifts also must wait for AGM or EGM.

So many hutthurt against airbnb/homestay business.

Why?

If not doing airbnb/homestay, then the owners want to do rental.

TS no join condo whatsapp group.

rental tenants don't change daily or weekly.
they can be family like residents, just that they don't own the property

knowing your mum, she probably never join AGM and stay all day lazing around at home doing nothing, have a maid, and your dad just have to shovel in all the cashies

go check properlty before spreading fake news. Remember, mum ALWAYS spread fake news. u look at all the fake news forwarded messags in whatsapp, ALL of them are from mums who got nothing to do but post videos of trash or fake news.

this is the first thing you should do.

Im renting. But the owner me to go. Since im staying. So i think depends

normally before implementing certain things, like security, residents will definitely received a letter from the management. owners should attend jmb meetings if meeting is held for the residents. it is where, yes and no sokongan will be agreed upon when making a decision to implement whatever is needed. if tak attend, it is not the management fault...

Yes, an owner can appoint a tenant as a proxy to attend general meetings. But he can also appoint anyone else as proxy. But proxies cannot become committee members. And real power lies with the committee because they make all the day-to-day decisions.

newfags got quota post?

Must be crony project.
face recognition is overly advanced and wasteful for condo.
Even simple card system tends to be costly to repair.

Lol my condo in Penang lagi best

From existing working access card to some rfid tag that I need to wave left to right

Car park
5 car parks give 3 tags. Extra need to buy
Say bec car park even tho the column is long n wide can park 2 cars only written 1 number

Diuniama sendiri drive vellfire estima coupe BMW

Prev president even worse. Songlap away 500 plus k. Until now cannot catch bec no concrete proof. Managed to drove her away.

yeah 5 post daily

Many things the committee alone can decide, don't need approval at general meetings. But many do it anyway out of ignorance or just to seek blessing. Just like Brexit, the referendum is totally not needed because the British parliament is the one that decides and their courts also said referendums were not legally binding.

If it is a matter of adding by-laws then yes, then must ask for approval in general meetings.

Committee members are often target of malicious rumours, whether true or false, no thanks to people like you. It's a thankless job.

Yes, I did this for 2 years and the only thing I got is I learn condo management. Other than that, I lost my precious time. Money also lost becaus time is money.

Did your said family member, actively join the official MC / JMB meeting. ?

Like many have said here, JMB/ MC / RA is a tireless, thankless job.....

My advice to your said Family member.... join n be a Committee lah...


I've been in 1 JMB/ MC for 3 terms for my condo.

Now I'm chairman for RA of my landed strata, 2nd term d. B4 that 2 terms being the Secretary.

And yes we are a very successful RA. 80% active payments monthly. We are a 250 landed property housing estate. Very small in size. have a 4 acres Clubhouse, a swimming pool, gymnasium, a 2 acres Surau

With half a million RM in FD. Targeting to up to rm1m in 2 years time.



This post has been edited by accitzone: Mar 30 2019, 03:40 PM

I saw this line and i suspect your parents does allow it to do as airbnb, u must understand some condo owner do not like airbnb because it will jeopardise the security measurement. Anyone can just walk in and if shit happen, victim for sure will point finger to JMB/MC.

I did ask lawyer about airbnb, nothing in the law deter u to do airbnb, but the management has rights to do such measurement to make your life hard for such act. I guess the JMB/MC did that just to prevent your type of residents. U must understand that one is not public place, it is a private property manage by a group of people (aka JMC/MC).

Go read up the minutes and see whether there is approval, if got approval then u have to suck it up and live with it. If not ask your parent proxy and make noise in next management meeting.

This post has been edited by yhtan: Mar 30 2019, 03:38 PM

Glad ur JMB do so well. Our JMB at one of the ecoworld project only managed to do this to prevent Airbnb

Even receive report from town council (DBKL), MACC and lawyer letter

My colleague been through that stage just because the resident not happy with the new calculation of maintenance fee (change to share unit). Basically DBKL don't give a fcuk if they receive this kind of complain letter as long JMC/MC committee comply with it.

The law had always maintained that the calculation method is by share unit but dunno why some developers ended up charging by sq feet.

Owners' ignorance about all kinds of things is a big problem that committee members have to face all the time. Many committee members themselves are ignorant about the law so the management staff must guide them.

I don't live at your condo so I don't want to hear your condo problems

I got own condo problems already to deal with

Keep it to your condo plz

Yes, owners are encouraged to join the committee or else they wouldn't know how difficult it is to manage a condo. Most owners only know how to complain, complain and complain and nothing else.

Why is that if you live in a landed strata development and you have RA (Residents Association) instead of a MC (Management Corporation) or JMB (Joint Management Board) to run the place?

Anything above 50k spending requires AGM or EGM not just committee meeting. Face recognition system definitely costs more than that.

This kind of thing normally will be discussed prior any implementation. Maybe ur family is not aware of the discussions

And which section of the law in the Strata Management Act and Strata Management Regulations is that?

Or own by-law?

My bad, as I want to simplify the info.

Our landed not strata, legally it's a guarded community. Though physically it's gated and guarded. Hence it's RA n not JMB / MC. All owners signed a DMC with the Developer together with the SPA and the developer did novate this DMC to the RA. All owners are members of the RA, and 1 voting right for each house. Often Tenants are proxies. Yes our RA is registered with the ROS.

The R&D, Sewerage, fields, green areas are surrendered to the local council. The RA owns the Clubhouse n its facilities via trustee. The CH got it's own land title, all 4 acres of them. The guardhouse and its associated equipments, boom gates etc sits on a yearly renewed TOL land on the road reserve.

Our guarded community is designed into the housing scheme by the Developer.

This post has been edited by accitzone: Mar 30 2019, 04:27 PM

Depends on the House Rules. Can be established / amended in AGM.

strata act doest really spell out the details, especially on operational matters.

Which means some may not have that restrictions at all or some have a higher or lower limit.

They must be very hate u bero
Ever got threaten?

The standard by-laws are stated in the Strata Management Regulations.

Need no to ask, which penang condo no airbnb

Erk, my bad that’s our own by law/house rule so yeah other condos might have no limit

Add jude how face to your security door white list, next time print jude how face to give to your family member

Just register the tenant face thats it, when tenant goes just remove from system

base on TS statement , we know why the condo need this system

always different face "families" stay in

we know what u did there

This post has been edited by bereev: Mar 30 2019, 04:48 PM

sounds like is you are out of loop.

because this system will cost a lot ..will not be cheap ..spending need to go through meeting

If they are not ..you can challenge them on this

This post has been edited by fantasy1989: Mar 30 2019, 04:50 PM

TS Bodo. Sendiri dun attend , not my problem etc
Then when tak puas Hati , suddenly say never ask for consent

Just like those mangkuk voted wrong party for 50 over years and say why oil money go to the other side

Your condo represented by JMC, their motion to purchase new security devices is consider resident consent lioa.

So what talking you ?

You want to prevent ? then go join JMC.

This post has been edited by bill11: Mar 30 2019, 05:18 PM

good la..

high tech security.

I have some condos. All of them I do airbnb.

I heard some condos got run down after a few decades and their prices drop significantly.

Once I milk enough from my condos and if it looks like the prices are gonna drop, I’m gonna sell them.

Landed house master race after all.

Sell condo and buy flat. Flat no guard or security can go in freely

Not that expensive on lazada

Good la TS consider every human being as his family

why you against something that's good for safety of the resident that potentially reduce crime?

unless you're in crime business itself.

I'm in JMB for 8 months. I can tell you this.

It is a thankless job.
because of one simple fact. "Can't please everyone"


Residents complain security lacking. We upped the security to ban any non working access cards cannot enter the condo.
Then the same group complain aiya why so strict, we sometimes forget cards.

Residents complain leaking facility. Proceed to engage contractor and fix. Then the same group complain aiya why take so long one, cannot use the sauna.

As a committee.. I get to see first hand how people always take anything they can to complain. one issue solved, they'll move to complain another thing. its never ending. I've learnt to keep an eye shut and as long as the place is up to my own standard of upkeep, I'll backoff from the management company.

I will love my condo to implement this lol.

Not sure why TS object to it; unless TS is doing airbnb business which is an absurd to residents lol

This post has been edited by MiLKTea: Mar 30 2019, 06:12 PM

Nope. I think I am pioneer use fingerprint to destroy homestay. They don’t know what hits them.

sorry halfway join this thread because someone quoted me

why is facial recognition destroying airbnb?

Good for residents. If not thieves may rent the Airnnb and then have a stealing spree once inside the compound. I think TS is doing the " unofficial Airbnb. "


This post has been edited by Divou: Apr 1 2019, 03:21 PM

Don't like can complain next AGM challenge them

if still cannot complain to COB.

Because your customer cannot go into your unit unless you bring them

you airbnb your unit ?

actually good to have face recognition coz my condo got lot of ppl doing airbnb and weekend alot of ppl bring girls go kongkek, gangbang.. i thinking to call police or jakim, but also thinking why not join them kongkek together..

Last Active 30th March 2019 - 01:33 PM
lel, TS hilang liao

agreed with you

the worst part is it's always the same group of noisy ppl. They might not be the ones who bring the subject up but they will be the ones who pour oil over the fire. Like to act like they are the towkay but when ask them to take responsibility and work in JMB committee then suddenly shut up, say too old, retiree no need to do all these things.

Sorry but ur comment remind me of some things i had dealt with in the past.

tu la, next time be more involved with the community.

what is cob? we are looking to complain soon after some discussion with developer

i am attached in spore so need to get someone to sort it out.

to answer some doubts: - discussed with other residents... some owners are my own cousins and uncles.

1. No. Not discussed in AGM and only in monthly committee meeting which they decided on their own without resident knowing or consent. This all happen after new chairperson take over. Spending a lot of money out of a sudden and never think of saving. Afraid like 1mdb style.

2. We support if it was resident approved but NOT for the sake of someone else benefit (could be commission received or own grudge against air bnb)

3. Yes...good security but for a big family like us, having bought this unit as family home will limit access for some relatives and even friends. Keep in mind, many condos in penang is bought as a unit by investors or family or even company to use for their own when they need it instead renting hotel. Even some company have units or rent on long term to use for their employees stay when there is an event or meeting in penang.

4. We will face a lot of problems during cny when we go back to penang when we want to access this condo if we are not face registered and management office closed.

5. Conclusion: Resident not consulted and decision made by chairperson without thinking or respecting residents. So uneducated guy.

Other resident already contacted developer office. Not their work but the new committee and chairperson They say we need wait until the implementation to see what action to take.

Checked and they cannot simply change the access to our condo as this is not what it was originally built for. Our original snp signed back in 2012 already stated regarding the access using access card and terms and condition which we accepted before buying it. So cannot simply change it.
Any reliable lawyer to recommend? Or can i use a lawyer from Spore?

Was there any written black and white that the Management office are allowed to do changes without any consent?

any way to prevent those committee or president to siphon out the money by awarding those repair & maintenance to their friend or family? then they earn commission them self?

Normally this type of expenses is endorsed in AGM.
Did the AGM minutes stated the activity approved by residents to be carried out?