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 medical insurance cost sudden increase 29%, normal !?

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SUSyklooi
post May 7 2021, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ May 7 2021, 12:00 PM)
My prudential medical ILP bought 5 years ago the reprice will happen this year from 132 per month to 150 per month about 13% increase seems reasonable right?
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looking at the post below...
looks like 13% increase per year
so do take note of it and be expected of it....your premium will rise 100% in the next few years....thus do proper budget planning in advance and avoid unnecessary stress

QUOTE(lifebalance @ May 7 2021, 12:26 PM)
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Medical inflation keep increasing, if insurance company don't keep up with the inflation, how to pay for all the claims?
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Seems pretty normal to me adjusted to the inflation.
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post May 7 2021, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 7 2021, 11:57 AM)
does their this T&C gives them the sole power to increase at what ever rate and at what ever frequency or interval they seem to liked?
(since it was a signed contract that any premature cancellation will definitely be subjected to losses,.....since the policyholders got no choice,...they can do whatever they wanted?)

your medical card,...if you don't agree,...can...but will it impact the sustain ability of the coverage??
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It's a standalone medical policy, the premium rates are fixed based on the age group, the sustainability of the coverage is based on the pool of customers claim ratio, every 3 years the r&b and per disability illnesses annual limit will automatically increased to combat inflation. Most importantly, the insurer won't discontinue the plan or force customers to upgrade to another new plan then the price will most likely increase to help boost the insurer's sales.
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QUOTE(ELJ @ May 7 2021, 03:06 PM)
It's a standalone medical policy, the premium rates are fixed based on the age group, the sustainability of the coverage is based on the pool of customers claim ratio, every 3 years the r&b and per disability illnesses annual limit will automatically increased to combat inflation. Most importantly, the insurer won't discontinue the plan or force customers to upgrade to another new plan then the price will most likely increase to help boost the insurer's sales.
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for that ..... sweat.gif sweat.gif bangwall.gif mad.gif
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post May 7 2021, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ May 7 2021, 04:12 PM)
for that ..... sweat.gif  sweat.gif  bangwall.gif  mad.gif
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Not only for the benefit of the insurer but it's advisors, so they can survive and sell more.
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post May 10 2021, 11:41 PM

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if you are buying ILP, cost of insurance will increase a bit year by year..but i have bought my ILP 10 years ago..i didn't receive any notice about premium increment..is it because my cash value is more enough to cover? hmm..
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post Jun 22 2021, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(kbandito @ Mar 16 2019, 10:34 PM)
That’s why I hate ILP because the contract never address medical cost increase.
My friend who is an actuarial scientist for an insurance company says they only can assume 15% cost increase for the first 3-6 years, and from there they work out the premium charge. Which mean they are assuming zero increase from 6th year onwards, which is not going to happen.
But what’s certain is that the projection schedule that your lovely insurance agent shows you is fundamentally flawed and does take into consideration of a massive medical cost review.

The selling point of buy young to be safe is completely flawed.
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U mean d insurance charges as shown at d projected schedule isn’t d medical cost increase ? It shows 20+% every 5 years n within 5% yearly as shown in d table attached ... pls advise , tq
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post Jun 23 2021, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(rebeka @ Jun 22 2021, 01:22 PM)
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No. This is ILPs biggest scam.

The increase in cost in the projection is the "normal" age-based increase in insurance costs. As you get older, based on the schedule for the basic plan and each rider, the cost of coverage increases.

The projection DOES NOT take into account the increase in costs due to medical insurance or due to substandard cohort, or even due to misprinted assumptions by the insurance company.

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post Jun 23 2021, 05:29 PM

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also have to monitor the funds in the ILP we invested in and the monthly amount that is invested into those funds. Hopefully my ILP can last me a few more years without any top up needed zzz
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post Jun 24 2021, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(kbandito @ Mar 16 2019, 10:34 PM)
That’s why I hate ILP because the contract never address medical cost increase.
My friend who is an actuarial scientist for an insurance company says they only can assume 15% cost increase for the first 3-6 years, and from there they work out the premium charge. Which mean they are assuming zero increase from 6th year onwards, which is not going to happen.
But what’s certain is that the projection schedule that your lovely insurance agent shows you is fundamentally flawed and does take into consideration of a massive medical cost review.

The selling point of buy young to be safe is completely flawed.
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U mean d insurance charges as shown at d projected schedule isn’t d medical cost increase ? It shows 20+% every 5 years n within 5% yearly as shown in d table attached ... pls advise , tq


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post Jun 26 2021, 12:17 PM

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Having said all this, the fact still remains that we still need insurance coverage. Taking into consideration the OP premium commitment increase, better start looking into existing plan in comparison with others n decide if its still worth staying with the current provider or not. Something similar happened to me in the past and prompted me to re-evaluate my existing policy n ultimately migrate.
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QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Jun 26 2021, 12:17 PM)
Having said all this, the fact still remains that we still need insurance coverage. Taking into consideration the OP premium commitment increase, better start looking into existing plan in comparison with others n decide if its still worth staying with the current provider or not. Something similar happened to me in the past and prompted me to re-evaluate my existing policy n ultimately migrate.
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what was your factor of consideration before you migrate
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post Jun 26 2021, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 26 2021, 12:39 PM)
what was your factor of consideration before you migrate
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The long n short of it is I want to pay for the coverage I want, nothing more.

I subscribed to my 1st policy more than a decade ago when I started working, mainly at the behest of a friend. It was simple, relatively cheap, what I could afford at the time. By today's standards it would seem dated.

Over the years I've come to understand better what my concerns were, what my family (read hereditary) risks were, what kind of coverage makes me feel more secure, offered by a provider organisation that I believe is solid. My income has also increased in that time, such that now I can afford to contribute more. So I went about searching for something to fit my needs, talked to ppl and looked at proposals n settled for what I felt was good.
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post Jun 28 2021, 11:51 AM

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any suggestions on non-investment link health insurance w annual limit of rm500k ,no life limit w deductible ? Wondering how’s d coverage n premium looks like ?
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post Jun 28 2021, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(rebeka @ Jun 28 2021, 11:51 AM)
any suggestions on non-investment link health insurance w annual limit of rm500k ,no life limit w deductible ? Wondering how’s d coverage n premium looks like ?
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It also depends on ur age, gender, occupation & smoker or not.
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 28 2021, 02:29 PM)
It also depends on ur age, gender, occupation & smoker or not.
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54yo female accountant,non-smoker
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QUOTE(rebeka @ Jun 29 2021, 11:59 AM)
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Start about 225 monthly
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 29 2021, 05:14 PM)
Start about 225 monthly
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ILP or standalone?
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QUOTE(rebeka @ Jun 29 2021, 05:18 PM)
ILP or standalone?
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standalone
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post Jul 5 2021, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(rebeka @ Jun 22 2021, 01:22 PM)

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For argument sake, say they say the below:

31-50 years old: RM1,000 pa
51-70 years old: RM2,000 pa

They show you 51-70 years old is more expensive, but that's based on medical costs today in 2021.
5 years later the medical cost can go up to RM3,000 and that's when they revise the medical premium.

So your insurance agents tells you "ILP help you to save money that you can withdraw when you are 60 years old". BS, it gets eaten up by inflation,
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QUOTE(kbandito @ Jul 5 2021, 12:41 PM)
For argument sake, say they say the below:

31-50 years old: RM1,000 pa
51-70 years old: RM2,000 pa

They show you 51-70 years old is more expensive, but that's based on medical costs today in 2021.
5 years later the medical cost can go up to RM3,000 and that's when they revise the medical premium.

So your insurance agents tells you "ILP help you to save money that you can withdraw when you are 60 years old". BS, it gets eaten up by inflation,
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wink.gif your argument applies to all things that has monetary value, inflation isn't just applied to insurance. Even your property / stocks / FD / UT is subject to inflation.

The purpose of the Investment linked policy (ILP) is to provide the policy holder an avenue to invest that amount of money with the insurance company's fund to get some return while at the same time maintaining a level premium payment throughout the years.

If you did contribute a significant amount to your ILP, you may choose to withdraw that amount to use during your 60s, just bear in that this may affect your policy sustainability if you do choose to withdraw from your policy's cash value.



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