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theanswer
post Oct 21 2019, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 21 2019, 10:01 AM)
Turbos usually have higher compression ratio. Which means it needs RON97 for optimum performance. You have been using RON95 for so long and it is starting to show from the engine as the knocking sensor is unable to work in combination with other sensors to adjust for the lower RON. Try RON97 and if it "cure" the engine knocking then you will need to continue using 97. Else you can find out one by one which part is not functioning properly and need to be changed. Perhaps even an engine overhaul.
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turbo got higher compression? icon_idea.gif
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post Oct 21 2019, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(theanswer @ Oct 21 2019, 10:06 AM)
turbo got higher compression?  icon_idea.gif
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turbo causing the engine to work in high temperature easier
higher temperature causing low ron fuel easily to combust

maybe that's what he meant
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post Oct 21 2019, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(thuwed1732 @ Oct 21 2019, 11:34 AM)
turbo causing the engine to work in high temperature easier
higher temperature causing low ron fuel easily to combust

maybe that's what he meant
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but not higher comp. my family use ron95 (any brand) with prince 1.6thp and L15 turbo..no problem.
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post Oct 21 2019, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(thuwed1732 @ Oct 21 2019, 11:34 AM)
turbo causing the engine to work in high temperature easier
higher temperature causing low ron fuel easily to combust

maybe that's what he meant
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Sorry for misunderstanding. What I meant is cars with turbos usually have higher compression engine. Because the high compression combined with the turbo can produce high power output. Yes, you can run RON95 with it without issue. RON97 is more optimum.

https://dsportmag.com/the-tech/boost-vs-com...ssion-benefits/

Good read here.
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post Oct 21 2019, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 21 2019, 12:31 PM)
Sorry for misunderstanding. What I meant is cars with turbos usually have higher compression engine. Because the high compression combined with the turbo can produce high power output. Yes, you can run RON95 with it without issue. RON97 is more optimum.

https://dsportmag.com/the-tech/boost-vs-com...ssion-benefits/

Good read here.
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that article is totally in the context of drag car racing

how is that even relevant in this topic? in fact , in modern car engine, turbocharging an engine has made high compression ratio unnecessary

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post Oct 21 2019, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(jesserider223 @ Oct 21 2019, 12:41 PM)
that article is totally in the context of drag car racing

how is that even relevant in this topic? in fact , in modern car engine, turbocharging an engine has made high compression ratio unnecessary
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agree..
some more nowadays car got knock sensor..in ts case, i'm not sure preve turbo got knock sensor or not
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post Oct 26 2019, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 21 2019, 10:01 AM)
Turbos usually have higher compression ratio. Which means it needs RON97 for optimum performance. You have been using RON95 for so long and it is starting to show from the engine as the knocking sensor is unable to work in combination with other sensors to adjust for the lower RON. Try RON97 and if it "cure" the engine knocking then you will need to continue using 97. Else you can find out one by one which part is not functioning properly and need to be changed. Perhaps even an engine overhaul.
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That is generally true, but in my case RON95 (Caltex) managed to eradicate the knocking sound of the Turbo engine, unlike RON95 Petronas where there is knocking sound. Anyway will not use RON97 just to remove the knocking sound since I'm going to sell the car by end of this year, latest early next year.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Oct 26 2019, 08:46 AM
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post Oct 27 2019, 09:40 AM

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Sharing what i have experienced. I drove atoz, myvi, wira, citra, accord, sonata, city and civic.
These petrol brand all giving me the same result. Other car might vary.
From top to down, the petrol brand give me the most engine knocking to the least. (during hard acceleration/uphill)
1. Caltex
2. BHP
3. Petronas
4. Shell
5. Petron

Petron
Pros
give me the best FC +10%~15% compared to other brand
more low end torque(smooth engine drive at low end)
Cons
Engine noisier and also warmer
No high end power above 3.5k rpm
(May be Petron more suitable for low rev engine)
Among all the brand, Petron allow me to advanced more of the ignition timing without giving much knocking thus able to give me even better FC but it will kill high end power.

Shell/Petronas
Pros
Cooler engine
More high end power(smooth engine drive at high end)
Cons
Lesser low end torque compared to petron

Usually driving in city i will use Petron and going outstation i will switch to Shell/Petronas.

This post has been edited by cent88: Oct 27 2019, 09:47 AM
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post Oct 27 2019, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Mar 15 2019, 11:07 PM)
Would like to find out if there is anyone who experienced your vehicle's engine showing a knocking sound during acceleration with Petronas Primax 95 fuel.

In my case, the knocking sound only happens with one car, the Proton Preve Turbo. It doesn't happen with other cars which include Ford Focus and Mazda CX5.

I am certain that it is fuel related because I hands been driving the Proton Preve Turbo for almost 6 years now. It first started to show knocking after about 1 year from new with Petronas fuel. At first I thought something wasn't right but after I switched to Caltex, the engine knocking sound was gone. I drove the car solely on Caltex for about 3 years and there was not a hint of the engine knocking. But lately I got a company petrol card so I started to switch to Petronas again. The moment I switched to Petronas, the knocking sound came back.

I suspect there is something with the Petronas fuel that is not very suitable for the Turbo engine of the Proton Preve. There is no issue at all with Caltex fuel .

Is there any other owner who made the same observation and if yes, what is your car? Fwiw there is no difference with the new Primax with Pro-drive formula as shown in another thread here. The knocking sound is still there.
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turbos either run rich, or use a higher octane. You can use RON 95 but your engine must run rich when using the turbo (making fuel economy suck). If its older and there is carbon build up, it will increase your compression ratio and cause knock in which case would need to be cleaned.

QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Mar 16 2019, 10:46 AM)
I dun face any prolonged knocking with petronas fuel, but it somehow raised the working temp on my temp gauge. Just slightly more (say 2.5 notches) than any other brand of petrol (shell, caltex, bhp, petron at 2 notches) consistently and the effect is gone when i switched brand.

not sure if it is coz of my timing advance setting or what. std proton setting is 5deg btdc, i was told. i think mine is at 8deg btdc or more, set by my mech.

my car is wira 1.6.
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This means that your engine needs a rich fuel mixture when using the turbo, or you should check your cooling system to make sure it works properly. Also dont forget that you cannot turn off the engine straight away, let it idle for a couple minutes before you do, same with starting, until the engine is at the right temperature must avoid using the turbo.

A rich fuel mixture cools down the combustion temperature, but usually in engine design this is taken into account so i would first check the cooling system, and if thats good you might need to tweak for a richer fuel mixture when using the turbo but switching to a higher octane will reduce the temperature as well.

All fuel brands are the same for RON 95, but the premium fuel can differ in RON between brands but for additives, no difference.

 

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