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post Mar 12 2019, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Mar 12 2019, 07:21 PM)
you sure have a lot of juice and tasty sos there....  laugh.gif
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Just google 'singapore army no malay' will net you some very juicy sources about the discrimination towards malays in the SAF already.

Those saying Singapore society (especially military) is all about meritrocracy is either stupid, naive or in varying mixtures of both.
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post Mar 12 2019, 10:22 PM

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At least here malaysia chinese got opportunity to go high rank officer.. in sing..malay pariah level only. Who is more discriminating here?
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post Mar 12 2019, 10:57 PM

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system can change overnight, but mindset takes generation to change, better off work on the right education path for the young minds.
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post Mar 12 2019, 11:05 PM

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Racial issue are so bad in Malaysia that most people will just stick within their own race community. So imagine profession that require you to be together with your colleague 24/7 for weeks or months, and you have to be alone because most others have different ways of life.

I seen nons soldier going alone or sometime with one more guy to non halal eatery. I imagine he can't bungkus and eat that food at the same place with his other colleagues as there might be some that disagree with it.
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post Mar 12 2019, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 12 2019, 11:05 PM)
Racial issue are so bad in Malaysia that most people will just stick within their own race community. So imagine profession that require you to be together with your colleague 24/7 for weeks or months, and you have to be alone because most others have different ways of life.

I seen nons soldier going alone or sometime with one more guy to non halal eatery. I imagine he can't bungkus and eat that food at the same place with his other colleagues as there might be some that disagree with it.
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LTZ give some insight. how isolated is non muslim soldier with the others.
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post Mar 12 2019, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Radioactive Infused Cola @ Mar 12 2019, 11:21 PM)
LTZ give some insight.  how isolated is non muslim soldier with the others.
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But LTZ is malay. Should be nons soldier that give their view whether there's occasion they can't mingle together.
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post Mar 12 2019, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 12 2019, 11:28 PM)
But LTZ is malay. Should be nons soldier that give their view whether there's occasion they can't mingle together.
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there's the thing. none are known here in /k so the next best thing is asking those who actually serve.
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post Mar 12 2019, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Radioactive Infused Cola @ Mar 12 2019, 11:30 PM)
there's the thing.  none are known here in /k so the next best thing is asking those who actually serve.
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Then it will be highly bias.

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post Mar 12 2019, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Mar 12 2019, 11:32 PM)
Then it will be highly bias.
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we can always take it with a grain of salt instead of just being overly pessimistic about it.
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post Mar 13 2019, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(yed @ Mar 12 2019, 10:22 PM)
At least here malaysia chinese got opportunity to go high rank officer.. in sing..malay pariah level only. Who is more discriminating here?
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Consider that the first (and IIRC the only so far) malay officer promoted to Brigadier-General (1 star) in the SAF was in 2009.

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Colonel Ishak bin Ismail caps his 28 years with the Singapore Armed Forces by being the first Malay to attain the rank of brigadier-general. The first Malay one-star general is clearly one for the history books, but the question remains whether it will be the only star shining for the foreseeable future.

The harsh reality is that COL Ishak, foisted to be the standard bearer for Malay achievement in the military, is also the exception.  Furthermore, it is an open secret that certain vocations are made inaccessible to Malays for security considerations. Gradual steps have been taken to open hitherto sensitive vocations to Malays, but most remain tight-shut.

It was only in 1987 that another brigadier-general doubted the loyalty of Malay soldiers by virtue of their religion: “If there is a conflict, we don’t want to put any of our soldiers in a difficult position where his emotions for the nation may be in conflict with his emotions for his religion … We don’t want to put anybody in that position where he feels he is not fighting a just cause, and perhaps worse, maybe his side is not the right side.” (Then-BG (Res) Lee Hsien Loong, who was also then Second Minister for defence.)

Ironically, efforts at racial integration has been impeded by the government’s own CMIO (Chinese, Malay, Indian and Others) policy that typecasts a racial profile for every citizen. The policy presupposes that every Chinese is a Confucianist, that every Indian is a cultural traditionalist, and that every Malay is a strict Islamic practitioner who prioritizes adherence to faith over country.

Not only does this policy results in the partition self-help groups along ethnic lines which can conceivably encumber social work efforts, it is also partly responsible for perpetuating the impression of the enigmatic Malay Singaporean whose loyalty is always mired in doubt. In the words of then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew, “It would be a very tricky business for the SAF to put a Malay officer who was very religious and who had family ties in Malaysia, in charge of a machine-gun unit.”
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post Mar 13 2019, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Radioactive Infused Cola @ Mar 12 2019, 11:21 PM)
LTZ give some insight.  how isolated is non muslim soldier with the others.
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The best agency to see the best esprit de corp or camaraderie regardless ur races or religions is armed forces. Those who dont know, just come and see how we go thru our daily life

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