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skty
post Dec 7 2023, 02:29 PM

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aiyo I read through many pages of this thread long time ago but now I forgot already.

sorry for this ignorant question :

I remember reading some info about deposit in the month but will only receive one day interest for that deposit month is it?

So the question is what is the best time to deposit into EPF so it can just made it posted in the end of the month? 25th, 26th, 27th?

thanks in advance.
skty
post Dec 8 2023, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(romuluz777 @ Dec 8 2023, 12:45 PM)
There is no best time for this, whenever you have spare cash and nothing to spend on or no other investments to put in, just dump it into EPF at anytime of your convenience.

Unless you are talking about a few hundred Ks or millions, the difference or "loss of interest" is negligible.
All the best, bro.
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just wanted to earn the daily interest of the 100k before putting in.

so if put in at 26th, I can still earn 26 days of daily interest from other place. biggrin.gif
skty
post Feb 2 2025, 02:09 PM

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just for info

I deposit 50k x2 from RHB and MBB via EPF website on 29 January 2025 and posted on 30 January 2025.
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post Feb 11 2025, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Feb 10 2025, 02:12 PM)
That's why I'll just do self contribution, rather than direct deduct from salary. I also won't be able to do so high %, even now after all deduction I only get back roughly 50%. So better just have own emergency saving in case of VSS.
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the situation will become completely opposite if you have RM1mil in the EPF now.

It became your high interest saving acc.
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post Feb 11 2025, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Feb 11 2025, 05:12 PM)
You still only can withdraw the threshold above 1M, which is not suitable as emergency $$$ should VSS happen.
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Yes. But some people don't look it that way.

The bigger portion of salary going into EPF acc that has >1mil is damn advantageous for some.

Some people think 1mil is big. Some people think 1mil is nothing as long as it's belongs to you, and the advantage of reducing the money taxable is more attractive.

There is very LIMITED option of saving account giving so high interest.

For me, I am the kind of person who want a solid base first, where I can be very sure if I don't have income anymore I can still survive solely based on passive cashflow.

After that only I will use any extra disposable money to aim for higher return opportunities, which will come with higher risk.z

So for me, how fast I can accumulate that "solid base" is a key to me which will directly change my approach to future investment.

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post Mar 9 2025, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(virtualgay @ Mar 6 2025, 04:26 PM)
anyone hold their horses due to Retirement Income Adequacy (RIA) Framework and stop contributing because u know u wont be able to hit the numbers?

Regarding withdrawals, members with savings exceeding RM1 million currently have the flexibility to withdraw and manage the excess savings. This threshold will align with the Enhanced Savings benchmark and will increase as follows:

RM1.1 million by January 1, 2026
RM1.2 million by January 1, 2027
RM1.3 million by January 1, 2028

after 2028 maybe increase again to like 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 - if continue like that nobody would really want to self contribute as it is a chasing game

If as off 2025 i have 1 million now then 2026 in order be be eligible to withdraw u again need top up 100k
so my advice is pls dont go all in as 1 year self contribute only 100k if u are around 800k better forget it
if you are at 1M maybe still possible
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well... every year your dividend should increase as your principal amount increased compare to last year due to your salary contribution + last year dividend + your 100k.

so eventually you will get to the number even you start low now.
skty
post Mar 14 2025, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Mar 14 2025, 08:11 AM)
Actually I'm at this stage. Joined work force around 23 and now 56. Hope to survive the rat race till 60 as the last 10 years of corporate career is where the peak earning capacity lies. So next 4 years is where I'm pushing to have my cake and eat it too.

As some say, you will face many headwind where you also considered high cost to company and they will find way to rid you while enriching the top C and shareholders. It's a never ending game... that a topic for another day.

Health wise, I can tell you, 45 is first big one. There was an article mention where there are 2 age stage that sudden seems hit a turbo button on aging...45 and 60. I can attest to that personally. Suddenly, you can't be as crazy as agile as physically as you want it to be. Mentally still good but one never know so I'm trying to make up for lost time... for next 3 decades. It actually terrifying to know what lies ahead where it's not about work, it's how to get age gracefully in terms of health, wealth, relationship, etc as these age where one attending funeral and wedding dinner become routine, empty nester etc

Anyway back to EPF planning, I have seen it.. it can be done. I did some financial assessment and comparisons for friends on their numbers. They are making above 30k monthly for MNC and they are only early 40s. Not even C level. The only bad habits for them, was minimal retirement planning because their income are good and comfortable that they spend thrift ... they felt invisible. Money is good and retail therapy also equally good...watches, wine, michelin rated restaurant, etc...they will have EPF 3M, if they sustained until 55 provided they don't get cut. Cash flow or emergency funds is horrid for them.

'm doing fine at the hawker center..sipping my teh gelas than fancy rm20 latte... lol..my kid education is done, insurance balances being built that I hope enough to self paid from 65onward, mortgage done, etc. Just need to keep up the health and mental well being...stepping into the unknown,... it's almost like a fresh grad clueless day on what come next ... it's all over again..
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post Mar 16 2025, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Mar 16 2025, 08:36 AM)
But hor, by that time at 45, you may think that, why not continue to do as usual for another 10 more years since you are still capable and happy doing it for the past 20 yrs.
New target >10 mil, so that can have better, more secured, more next higher level of lifestyles and expenses options to freely chose and sustain it when you retire after 55 instead of 45..

But, then after 55, that thinking may repeat itself but with a higher target..
Just like want 1.4mil at 36
Want 5-6mil at 45

Ha ha ha
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you think this is funny but is not.

the important thing is for him, he will have OPTION that he can then CHOOSE when he reach 45 yo.

if he choose to continue working, it's fine. He can choose other way as well.
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post Jun 30 2025, 05:23 PM

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my suggestion is to categories your investment into low risk, moderate risk and high risk.

and then don't compare high risk with moderate/low risk. You do your investment and the ratio between low/moderate/high risk is your own risk appetite. Everyone is different.

if you are not well verse in financial planning, can get a financial planner to help and start learn from him/her.

after you are competent, you can then do it yourself.

don't listen to A say 8% then all in, B say 10% then take out from 8% then all in... then later C say 20% how?

you have to ask yourself, what is the risk involved to get the 8%, 10%, 20% and then see how much money MAX you can put in based on the ratio of your own risk appetite.


investment principal rule:

rule number one - never lose money
rule number two - never forget rule number one

many people invest purely see how much they can get but ignored how much they can lose.

what you need to do, and what you can actually do, is to STRICTLY control the downside... then... the upside will take care by itself...


and beware. Inflation also is LOSE. So if you do nothing with your money and let it keep in bank earn nothing = LOSE.

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post Oct 8 2025, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 8 2025, 11:15 PM)
Remember to think about the lost of purchasing power after 40 yrs.
The purchasing power of that 1 mil or 2 mil 40 yrs later will definitely be much lesser than the 1 or 2 mil NOW.

a house purchased at the right location and at the right price NOW will most probably appreciate in value or increases the purchasing power 40 yrs later.
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this is very misleading...

there are a lot of pre-qualified conditions to be a successful property investment...

many simply buy and get stuck with property that gives negative cashflow for 30 years...

worst case are those that bought property and after that is abandoned...

 

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