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arrsoo
post Jun 18 2007, 05:40 PM

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A humble new S2000 owner here tongue.gif Got the S2000 about 2+ weeks back, installed a used prodigy 7.1LT about a week back & loaded the foobar last saturday sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif All those setup were so complicated, dunno whether i set it up correctly or not sweat.gif

But some how, it doesn't sounds as good as the showroom set, cud be my foobar/prodigy set up not properly done or the speaker not burned in yet sad.gif Already burned in for about 42 hours though using the Edifier tool so far....normally how many hours needed to be properly burned in?

My current setup:

Pioneer 393k DVD player to S2000 via coaxial cable
foobar 9.4.3/Kernel streaming => Prodigy 7.1LT => S2000 via optical cable...I found that KS is slightly clearer than ASIO although still no wow factor.

Cud it be that my setting is wrong somewhere?? hmm.gif
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post Jun 18 2007, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Jun 18 2007, 05:58 PM)
Why you never try analog?
Get a nice pair of RCA cable and use Direct Sound v2 instead of Kernel Streaming or ASIO, would sound nicer IMO. smile.gif
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I think i hv tried the analog once when i first got the speaker but did not really compare it against digital output thoroughly because the analog output sound so soft compared to the digital playing the same music file while maintaining the same volume position.....but that was b4 i use foobar. BTW what is Direct Sound v2?? issit using Prodigy 7.1LT driver as output thru foobar?? rclxub.gif
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post Jun 19 2007, 10:12 AM

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my impression on this 2.0 channel with a piano finishing is just like a very nice to see but the sound quality still long way to go.....

i been tested this speaker last year before i brought my Esi NEAR05 classic.


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not to pour cold water on anyone; did you guys notice this set of speakers has quite a number of negative remarks on Google result? Some commented that the decoder uses lowly components etc. Not sure how true is that though.


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don't forget, speakers are heavily influenced by environmental acoustics. Place your speakers at a lousy place, you get lousy sound quality. On the other hand, placing your speakers at a perfect spot, you get awesome sound quality.

My recommendation? Go headphones


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dont like tat lah, ppl jz bought speakers and soundcard


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haha better put on your flame suit before the speaker taikors come and whack you


No worries, guys, I came he with an open mind, totally noob in sound card/foobar/audiophiles world, so hope to learn more first.
Just wanna make sure I set up my Prodigy & foobar properly first b4 i really go into commenting the S2000's sound quality smile.gif


Added on June 19, 2007, 10:29 am
QUOTE(naruto_kun @ Jun 19 2007, 09:53 AM)
I love how the S2000 sound. I haven't try aegoM, but I am really impressed with the S2000 when audition them. The S2.1MKII when compared with the S2000 really feels like it is in different league. The clarity is waaay better, not even close. I know it is unfair to compare those, but the only speaker which can be compared side by side S2.1MKII.
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Ya, me too very impressed during the the audition at Edifier showroom, Marcus just plug in his IPOD Nano directly & play Norah Jones....wow, it was so clear & crisp that I decided to book the speaker straight away but that isn't what I get at home at this moment. Prodigy & foobar should be able to produce better SQ than connecting ipod directly right?? So, i guess my prodigy/foobar confiq is not properly set up yet sweat.gif

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post Jun 19 2007, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Jun 18 2007, 09:04 PM)
I strongly disagree with you bro.
Analog sometime may perform better than digital.
What i mean Direct Sound v2 here is a kinda of output for foobar2000.
As for your sound card setting, I'm not sure about it, but its better to leave it default.
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Ok....will give analog a try drool.gif I always tot that digital is always more superior than analog, silly me doh.gif tongue.gif doh.gif

BTW, bro..from my foobar player output setting, I can see the following:

DS Prodigy 7.1LT
DS Q96/24
DS Ac97
KS Prodigy 7.1LT
KS Q96/24
KS AC97
ASIO 2.0 Prodigy 7.1LT

all sellectible, but I dont see Direct Sound v2 there, how to get it?? rclxub.gif


Added on June 19, 2007, 11:22 am
QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 19 2007, 12:13 AM)
If you really want it to sing well, just play some music instead of playing white noise. IMO, burning-in with white noise is the most ridiculous thing even though Edifier themselves recommends it.

Even though S2000 is huge and pack awesome powers, actually it still not really that powerful enough to place more than 3m apart. Just place them 2-3m apart with slight angle centering to yourself. Doesnt need to point them at your ears, just slightly angled it towards yourself.

I felt that it sound awful if you turn up the treble setting. Just leave it at center. Bass does feel a bit lacking, but dont turn them up too much. Somewhere around 5-10 degree is more than enough. Becos S2000 lacks a sub to exaggerate the bass, I really do feel that it starts singing well if you turn your volume up to at least half (in my case, I lowered foobar volume to -6db). EQ'ing the song doesnt make it sounds good in any way.

The best thing about it of course would be its refinement like I said. Aego M sounds nice too, but lacks the refinement you get from S2000. I find it a bit harsh and annoying when you crank the volume up. Not to mention the underpowered sub. For me, its not even a problem to crank the volume on my S2000 decoder to the max when I had foobar at -6db. It still sing beautifully unlike most speaker system packed with a 2" or 3" sattelite. For me, its even on par with the CDT Audio 6.5" component speaker I used to have in my car years ago, just that the 5.5" wasnt able to match the midbass produced by the CDT.

Dont use digital connection cos the DAC is so-so only. The amp itself is a decent one, so dont worry about that. Why dont you get a better soundcard to test it? Comparing both 0404 and Prodigy, I felt the vocal is definately sharper/clearer when using 0404. If you think your S2000 sounds bad, just plug in any speaker whether its MX5021, S2.1, or whatever it is. Play a couple songs and then plug back your S2000. Feel the difference. Instead of blasting forward like most speaker will do, it creates something like a soundstage and its huge. It doesnt matter whether you sit in front of it or you sit 5M away, it sounds the same. Thats why I like to crank the volume up and enjoys it. My mum always scold me when I turned to the max. She said I wanna blew up the house.
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Kapitan,

Thanks for your advise, really appreciate it notworthy.gif will give analog a try but get a better sound card like 0404...no lar, i wanna make sure i hv the prodigy/foobar properly set first tongue.gif BTW, normally how much minimal vol do you need to turn up to in order to hear the soundstage effect?

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post Jun 19 2007, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 19 2007, 04:51 PM)
The soundstage is there, regardless of the volume level. Its just that I find it sings well once you turn the volume knob past 50% (in my case, Im using ASIO and have -6db for foobar volume). I suggest u play it loud instead of playing white noise. Just start by playing those vocals songs first. Then slowly switch to those a bit bassy one. Honestly I din even burn it that much. Just play at 50% volume for few days and straight away I started blasting it at full volume.

lAh0s heard of my sytem b4 at full volume. It can get loud, really loud without feeling annoying which is fun.


Added on June 19, 2007, 5:00 pmBTW, how much you bought it anyway and where?
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Hmmm.....maybe i should pay you a visit one of this day to see how your S2000 really perform drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

I got it from Edifier showroom at promo price, seems that someone FFK the set which was the last set at the showroom wor biggrin.gif


Added on June 19, 2007, 10:57 pm
QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 19 2007, 05:05 PM)
BTW, Edifier S2000 isnt really hi-fi standard  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
It qualifies as a pretty decent 2.0 multimedia/bookshelf speaker but not hi-fi standard. HiFi sounds a lot better than it does.
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Now you tell me vmad.gif

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Maybe we should do a review on S2000 vs Aego M one of this day too, I won't mind send my set to people like Pcworks, Walabies or Yuheng to do it, that would be real interesting & cool icon_idea.gif drool.gif brows.gif


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post Jun 20 2007, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 20 2007, 12:23 AM)
IIRC, PcWorks says its sounds flat, so he prefers AegoM le.


Aiyoh doh.gif Like no chance for a thorough S2000 vs Aego M review liao
sad.gif sad.gif Anyway, my offer is still good to any Aego M owner to do the comparision. So far there are no real review on S2000 vs Aego M & I am sure a lot of people will find it interesting when someone did it drool.gif Wallabies, Yuheng...interested?? drool.gif

QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 20 2007, 12:23 AM)
Ooo... Edifier showroom promo price huh... must b RM999...
I too waited till PCFAIR where they promo it for RM999...
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post Jun 20 2007, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(xterminator @ Jun 20 2007, 03:03 PM)
Walabies,yuheng,pcwork...let's take down S2000... tongue.gif
AegoM vs S2000...yo..a very interesting topic rclxms.gif
We should find some ppl who had listen to S2000 and AegoM before and ask them which sound better... hmm.gif
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Yup, will be real interesting if they are willing to bec i believe they hv a very high standard for music SQ;) But pls bear in mind that this should not be "My S2000 is better than your Aego M or vice versa" kind of thing, just a neutral comparison between the 2 using the same source of sound card/music file/cable etc etc...then do a personal review based on their own preference. Hopefully brother Kapitan & IAhOS could join too...that would be perfect thumbup.gif wub.gif thumbup.gif


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post Jun 20 2007, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Edifier @ Jun 20 2007, 03:46 PM)
Can do it in @ Edifier showroom.  rclxms.gif
I also want to try the Aego M too.
After the comparison, u can try out de Edifier car speaker too.
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ehehehe,

no lar Mr Edifier, this kind of review, we must hv both speaker being compared side by side, I don think they are willing to bring their speaker set to your showroom la, not to mention if they even willing to do this at all in the first place sweat.gif But for me i dun mind bringing my S2000 speaker over to their place for testing if it is within KL vicinity, maybe you can join us too smile.gif

Thanks for your suggestion anyway thumbup.gif
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post Jun 20 2007, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(xterminator @ Jun 20 2007, 03:50 PM)
Edifier you so open leh....
Can give us try and compare...
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Ya, I hv always admired Mr Edifier's open mind from the past thread I hv gone thru when I was surveying Edifier speaker.....humble & not the hard sell type notworthy.gif but damm, I missed Aego M because I tot it was a 5.1 speaker doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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post Jun 20 2007, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(xterminator @ Jun 20 2007, 04:01 PM)
Hahaha..you really funny...My fren, Edifier showroom sure got Edifier S2000
Who want you to bring lo, bring a AegoM ma...
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What!! ohmy.gif You mean Mr Edifier should invest an Aego M at his showroom to let people compare!!! Brilliant idea dude, I like it........rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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post Jun 20 2007, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Edifier @ Jun 20 2007, 04:23 PM)
What is the price of the Aego M?
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OMG...Mr Edifier, you are not serious aren't you notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif


Added on June 20, 2007, 4:32 pm
QUOTE(CooLeRthings @ Jun 20 2007, 04:23 PM)
Boss Alex, if want i can bring my aego M to ur there to try AB test XD
if u dun mind to pay for the parking whistling.gif
i will bring a long CDP gua if want
if marcus there
i bring along Michael Buble CD  biggrin.gif
but have to find 1 day ur guys free n i free also...
I will pay for you parking...no worries about that & i can even go to your house & help you carry your Aego M over drool.gif

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post Jun 20 2007, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(Edifier @ Jun 20 2007, 04:34 PM)
no.. just asking only  tongue.gif
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post Jun 20 2007, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 20 2007, 05:13 PM)
S2000 comes with external decoder which include an amp la.

I already did a comparison with my bro AegoM so count me out. Besides Im very busy, 6days work.

My impression of AegoM is a bit like Akabane. Its good but for me, its just as good as it gets. S2000 offers something different. Thats why I said taste matters. It offers refinement, details and smoothness over the AegoM. Though it might lack a sub, but honestly if you ask me, comparing to AegoM, I dont feel I miss the sub.


Added on June 20, 2007, 5:14 pmBTW, test in Edifier showroom?
Lastime I audition the S2000 there. Seem like they are using either on-board or Audigy1 only le.
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few weeks ago, they were using Prodigy 7.1, now should still hv gua

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post Jun 20 2007, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(lAh0S @ Jun 20 2007, 05:41 PM)
Are you sure they're using Prodigy 7.1 ?
From what I know they're using on-board only if not mistaken.
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yup nod.gif they tested it out for me using prodigy 7.1 b4 i bought it unless Marcus lied to me la mad.gif

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Maybe Mr Edifier can verified this nod.gif
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post Jun 20 2007, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 20 2007, 08:17 PM)
Active or Passive, it still has to have an amp... and in this case, they are seperated as they wanted to include a BB DAC for digital input processing. But I kinda feel the digital connection is a bit of a letdown.
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Is this the reason why you felt that analog connection is better instead of coaxial/optical?? hmm.gif
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post Jun 21 2007, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 20 2007, 11:42 PM)
Dont get me wrong. Indeed digital connection is created to allows user to bypass the sound processing and allows consumer to use more superior external device to process the sound. This is when you have superior external decoder.

But the BB DAC inside the S2000 decoder is somewhat outdated and nothing spectacular. Just feel the quality of the sound is inferior when using the decoder processing compared to EMU0404.


ic...understood, wow so much to learn sweat.gif

QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 20 2007, 11:42 PM)

Im gonna send my 0404 to Ijan for modification pretty soon. Just waiting for his signal to sent the card. One week later, I gonna test out whats improvement will I be presented with.
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Now, this is poisonous tongue.gif what do you expect from your 0404 to be after modification?? Can i modifiy my Prodigy 7.1LT too drool.gif

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post Jun 22 2007, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 21 2007, 05:21 PM)
Under powered? Dont know why you said so. I have to set Foobar at -6db to avoid clipping and left ASIO at 0db. That way allows me to crank the volume to full without clipping. Same method used by ICE tuner where they use osciloscope to adjust gain on amp while maxing the volume on the cd player. Its really loud minus the bass of course. Why dont you make a second trip to Edifier showroom to test it out yourself. Dont be shy.. just crank up the volume all the way till you feel enough ba. Its 40W RMS per channel so I think you either too shy to crank it up or you're deaf.


Wait a minute, Kapitan, i think i might be missing something here, you said you left ASIO at 0db?? ASIO hv adjustable vol control one meh?? Where to set it? I cant find the vol control for ASIO in Foobar 9.4.3 wor rclxub.gif


QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 21 2007, 05:21 PM)
Hahahaha.. actually to be honest, I have no idea.
I too was poisoned by Ijan post back in Team EMU. He has finalise the mod and will take a week to complete it after he received the card. Just haf to wait n see.
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Aiseh......that means Ijan only specialise on EMU mod only, is the Prodigy 7.1LT moddable or not drool.gif drool.gif poison poison tongue.gif


Added on June 22, 2007, 11:36 am
QUOTE(iceFrog-Hunter @ Jun 21 2007, 11:41 PM)
seem like s2000 vy hard to configure one. i would like to ask, coz i m using laptop so my soundcard should be external and now i own a Philips PSC805, can it drive s2000 well?

and s2000 muz need an amp juz can work well one ah?

I heard tht during PC fair the price of s2000 may only RM999. Is it possible for this coming 3-5 August Penang PC fair?
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Come, dun be shy, bring your lappie & phillips sc over to my house, we can test it out...I also keen to know how the phillips perform rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


Added on June 22, 2007, 11:46 am
QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 22 2007, 09:36 AM)


Arssoo would be interested to lend you his set I think.
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Kapitan, you are darn right laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Come on Coolerthing, dun just leave me like that, my quest to find out how good Aego M is compared to S2000 is still burning, I am interested to try out my S2000 with your amp too. Maybe we bring everything to Edifier showroom to test test, I will help you carry, dun worry icon_rolleyes.gif Damm.....i am crazy liao tongue.gif

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post Jun 22 2007, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(CooLeRthings @ Jun 22 2007, 11:53 AM)
lol
too bad this few weekend full schedule
next week end gonna have fun at KK for 1 week
while tomorrow got Transmy 3rd gathering ( for transformers fans 1 XD)
then sunday need to go shop for the KK trip
hopefully after back from KK, i can find slot, then i'll contact u,
or if want, u bring ur set to my place better, at least only move ur S2000
then we both test n find some 1 else come to audit it
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Either way also can la, hv to be Sat or Sunday, let me know when you are ready nod.gif
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QUOTE(xterminator @ Jun 22 2007, 03:14 PM)
Lolz.....can I come and audition it?
I hope to hear this two speaker vs...
When its the date.....hope I'm free..
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of course you can, the more the merrier will let you know thumbup.gif
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post Jun 22 2007, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(kapitan @ Jun 22 2007, 04:12 PM)
arrsoo,

you can forget about the 0db for ASIO, cos im using emu0404 which has this in their control panel.
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