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 ILLEGEAR Selenite Discussion Thread V1, world’s first 17.3” bezel-less laptop

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Jared21
post Feb 3 2020, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Feb 3 2020, 05:54 PM)
Woah nice thanks for replying!
Thanks, will try and report back.
I see... Thanks I'll definitely be repasting. And yeah for the first time with this laptop, just yesterday I had a relatively long and intense gaming session (3+ hours) and the CPU was constantly hitting its limit at 95 °C, some core even hitting 99 °C.

Man -185 mV offset is really good, unfortunately for me mine is already unstable at -145 mV, with the OS being completely frozen when running Battlefield V and I had to hard reboot. Also, I thought you're supposed to undervolt both CPU Core and CPU Cache equally?

Does flashing custom BIOS void warranty?
I've no idea. Where to check?
Is it really boosted? Also, do you use MSI Afterburner with yours to boost the GPU or undervolt? If so, would be great if you could share your profile here. I suck at trying to tune it.
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For my undervolt, my cache wont go past -100mv so i left it at -85 to be safe. Core got me dimishing returns at around -190. Will probably back it up to about -170 later.

For display, hit up device manager, click the monitor section, right click on Generic PnP Monitor or whatever its called on your unit and select properties. Under that, hit details and select Hardware Ids from the list.

Yes can confirm this is purely boosted using Turbo mode. I haven't installed Afterburner since it requires the GPU to be active and that draws a lot more power if say i left it running in the background without knowing. So far the highest i've seen my 2060 boost is about 1935mhz and it holds at 1905mhz once the cooling system gets heatsoaked. My firestrike scores are also in line with what i expected with my highest score being 16149. Consistently in the 15k to 16k range. I've linked it below. You should see my undervolt used at that time listed in the description box and left a tidbit smile.gif Can compare to my desktop score in my sig for reference.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/21345146

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post Feb 28 2020, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Feb 28 2020, 02:44 PM)
eh it's the same with Selenite which has per-key RGB, the wave animation sucks.

I hope Illegear could release the source code for the command center. I have a some experience in firmware/systems programming, I think I could take a crack at it.
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I can probably get it from XMG or Eluktronicks. They're very open to all these things
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post Mar 7 2020, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(GisixEX @ Mar 3 2020, 08:46 PM)
Still waiting for them to fix the crackling sound
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Theres a fix for it. I'll edit my post with the link once i find it. Ihave it on my laptop and it is running perfectly fine with none of the issue. You also get the original sound control panel back

Edit: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/to...815943/page-462

Link to download the driver: http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Driver...v8619_FF00).zip

Make sure to completely uninstall your current realtek and soundblaster drivers before doing this

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post Mar 21 2020, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(SaiyanGoku @ Mar 20 2020, 02:11 PM)
Updating drivers did nothing. I disabled Page file and that seems to have solved the issue for now. Still using the same -120 mV undervolt.
I checked how well my laptop was repasted with Kryonaut and as expected, it didn't look good (check the attachment)  bruce.gif . Kryonaut pumping out won't be this clean.

As for reported battery life, it is 7 hours now.  rclxm9.gif
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Kryo does not work well on these barebones units. Same thing with Clevo barebones. Its too thin and the levelness of the heatsink is extremely questionable. Also it tends to dry out around the 80 degree mark for some reason. Switch to a thicker paste. I use CM Master Maker Gel and it helps with the uneveness of the heatsink. Dont get anymore massive core differentials

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post Apr 5 2020, 09:32 PM

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Does anyone know the size and thickness of the M.2 thermal pad on the selenite? Have some spare thermal pads lying around (2mm and 3mm)
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post Apr 6 2020, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Apr 6 2020, 11:36 AM)
Hi Jared21, our thermal pad for M.2 SSD is 4mm thick.
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Thanks! thumbup.gif How about length and width?
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post Apr 7 2020, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Apr 6 2020, 09:10 PM)
22mm height, 40 to 60mm length depends on your chipset. My tech just told me 1mm to 2mm thickness are fine too, but for best result we recommend 4mm thickness.
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Awesome thank you! Looks like will have to source 4mm
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post Apr 15 2020, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(amir.asyraf @ Apr 11 2020, 12:39 PM)
I repasted with CM Mastergel Maker.

Honestly it's just worse compared to TG Kryonaut. Before, playing Anthem my CPU would hover around 80-85C max. Now, it's pushing to 90C constantly. And some core even up to 97C. Even during idle I noticed it's higher on average. Now I regret  cry.gif
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Thats interesting. My unit's heatsink wasnt very flat so Kryonaut was too think for it and i got massive temp differences in my cores. Mastergel solved that quite abit for me
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post Apr 15 2020, 12:34 AM

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The new CAP 5 on the Onyx G looks so much better than what we have on the Selenite. Any chance of being able to swap them on to our units?
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post Apr 16 2020, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Apr 15 2020, 11:30 AM)
I don't think it's possible because both keyboard travel distances are different. The cap 3 is specially designed for 3mm SELENITE keyboard.
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Aww thats a shame. Looks much cleaner than what the selenite has

Although i feel that the best one is still the caps that XMG uses on their Neo 17
https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_pr..._90ce05b488.jpg
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post Apr 19 2020, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(Prince J @ Apr 16 2020, 10:20 PM)
It's the same cap as your selenite. The font is different because XMG bought the keycap without font and use laser machine to engrave themselves. Why you need the euro style keycap?
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Oh no i was talking about the font sorry. I should have worded that post differently
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post May 24 2020, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(SaiyanGoku @ May 23 2020, 11:42 PM)
Okay, so I don't know how and why but Power Limit throttling is back  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif

I did restart the laptop but it didn't change anything. Seriously getting frustrated with this bad experience.  vmad.gif

I did some more testing (for about 3 hours) and found out that Power Limit throttling issue gets "fixed" after using DDU, doing a restart and then re-installing latest nvidia driver (445.87). This is a temporary fix as it doesn't survives a restart or power on after hibernation.

Illegear should work with ODM and get this issue fixed ASAP (via a BIOS or firmware update). I am unaware if mine is an isolated incident but as a customer I shouldn't have to face this.

Note: Laptop is working on direct AC power without the battery plugged in because it has swollen and needs a replacement.
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Well looks like i'm not updating its drivers anytime soon
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post May 29 2020, 04:07 AM

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QUOTE(SaiyanGoku @ May 27 2020, 09:44 PM)
In my case, battery never got discharged during gaming. It was always at 100%. And yes, I used to loose that 1-2% after a cold boot.
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Has anyone found out why this issue happens? Every single cold boot always sees my battery charging. 230w of power from the brick is plenty for my config even when running GPU boost (and should be for every config) so there is no reason as to why it should be drained. First time i've seen any laptop have this issue. Not even their older models based on Clevo units did this
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post May 29 2020, 04:16 AM

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QUOTE(SaiyanGoku @ May 28 2020, 11:46 PM)
Regarding the driver updates, there is no way to know which driver is latest and when it was released if we check the driver download page. I'm thinking to look into driver updates by other OEMs who use same chassis because of this. :|
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I'm using Eluktronics support page for their Mech G1R and XMG's Neo 17 for chassis specific drivers now. Other than that its all OEM drivers direct from Intel, Nvidia with NVcleaninstall etc. Hardly see any updates on their dirver page
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post May 29 2020, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(alexnvidia @ May 29 2020, 10:35 AM)
Happened to me too as i described in my earlier posts and i believe this happened to everyone, the only difference is does anyone notice it? and if the battery continues to trickle charge this way, sooner or later our battery will end up swollen too
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I'm just waiting for that day to happen. My gf uses my laptop for her AC and Overwatch and i've been keeping track of that trickle charge. Happens every single time. Tempted to unplug the battery and just use wall power since i can't even bring it out to classes yet
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post May 29 2020, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(alexnvidia @ May 29 2020, 10:41 AM)
I'm doing the same as you guys too. sadly they never update anything on their driver/app support page. but to their credit, if you find issues with the software and report it to them, they will work with ODM and post the new one after that. then again, it's not proactive, more like reactive. if nobody said anything, nothing gets updated or changed.
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XMG should be the one's who have the latest drivers. They work damn closely with Tongfang and they're incredibly active even on social media and post constant updates about their products. Look at the last subreddit for example. Same chassis that we use

https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/gq...in_xmg_apex_15/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/go...a1200_z490_mxm/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/g3...ion_15_in_2020/

https://www.reddit.com/r/XMG_gg/comments/fu...s_refresh_2020/
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post May 31 2020, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Shadowhunt94 @ May 31 2020, 05:16 PM)
Hi guys, just got my Selenite G on 14th May. Wanna share some of my usage review and questions after two weeks.

i7 10875H 8 cores, 16gb ddr4 ram, RTX 2070 max-p

If you find it long you can skip it, just sharing my honest review about the laptop.

Goods:
1. Built quality seem good. Screen also not much problem. Keyboard experience is weird initially, but after a while already got used to it.

2. Considered portable enough as my previous laptop Lenovo Y50 GTX860M is 15.6 inch but this 17.3 inch beauty is just unbeatable, having the almost same dimensions and weight.

3. Gaming is great on RTX2070 although it's a mobile version, FYI this is refreshed version (factory undervolted by Nvidia) having higher clock speed and reduced total bandwidth. Power consumption maintain the same 115W.

4. Windows Hello Camera, one of the reason to buy this laptop, save time on typing password  thumbup.gif

5. Sound wise, i salute the power of THX spatial audio software, but not the speaker itself hehe, overall listening feel is alright. Still prefer the JBL speakers+sub and Dolby software on my Lenovo Y50.

6. Price is unbeatable, been surveyed many brands of laptops with similar specs, but others just overpriced for the 2070 performance.
PROBLEMS:
1. At first i though Kryonaut will work on this laptop like a charm since it's considered a premium grade thermal paste for me. Somehow after some time of the usage, i've been experiencing a serious issue. The game framerate would drastically drop to unplayable frame rate for a while, then it become normal again. Using Afterburner monitoring during gameplay, can notice the cpu and gpu clock dropped to slowest speed too at the moment of stuttering frame rates. This problem happens intermittent one, not always. Not much background process which can interfere the game, just gaming no stream or others.

Used HWiNFO to monitor the status, found that cpu always more than 85c while gaming and all cores experiencing thermal throttling. To solve the issue i undervolted cpu more than -80mV to aid thermal reduction. Now the cpu mostly max up averagely 80c which won't have throttling on it.

OK, initially i thought thermal throttling could be the issue of the game stuttering, but somwhow yesterday the stuttering is coming back again with all undervolt, limit turbo boost, set dGPU at bios, max performance in Nvidia control panel, and no whisper mode at GeForce Experience, you name it. Can't figure out what else i can do to solve this frustrating problem. Maybe it's due to the 14nm++++++ process? sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

Another reason could be high ambient temp while gaming la, not at 25c air con room, so this issue could be subjective. Unfortunately didn't check for the power draw though at the moment.

2. The turbo and gaming fan mode is a bit problematic also before start using ThrottleStop. The temps are still good when in office mode, but when switching to Turbo from the AB i can see the CPU temp increased few degrees, turned off turbo it'll drop to normal again. Maybe it's the power delivery mode set by the command center there. After undervolting using TS it seem like dont have this issue already.

3. Keyboard RGB is kinda a joke, since i own Corsair mech KB i thought Selenite would be the same having function of import other user lighting effects/having smoother animations, turned out only those presets available. I'm not sure about other luxury laptop brands, or it's only Illegear doing so?

Command center is buggy, sometimes not detecting the hardware or the software can't be used properly, had to restart laptop or restart the process then only can work nicely. The fan button sometimes can't control the fan speed too due to buggy software. Having the feel of being trolled, but can't blame since i didn't perform thorough research enough about keyboard side, hunting for laptops and my friend (who using Laguna SE) to "poison" me to buy this brand, although i already know Illegear beforehand.

4. Rubberize palm rest. Okay thismay be my own preference but i prefer metal surface than this cuz rubberized is damn hard to take care of. When it ages it'll be sticky if you don't take care of it right.

Reviews aside, have some questions for gamers and enthusiasts here.

1. Cooling pad or vacuum cooler for you guys? I searched online and it's really dependent on laptops models, so you can't decide straightly which is better. Or you guys never use these at all?

2. Anyone owning 2070 variant mind to share their thermal performance? Would like to know whether it's me the unlucky one or everyone facing the same issue.

3. How to take care the rubberized surface? Researched online few methods, microfibre + alcohol OR microfibre + wash soap, then wipe with dry cloth. Would like to maximize the lifespan to prevent it become sticky since my previous Y50 also rubberized and unfortunately that moment i didn't realize the importance of taking care it.
That should be all about my review and concern about Selenite G. Any further issues or questions will be discussed in future. Thanks guys for spending time reading this and am happy to join the high end gaming for the first time!
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Great write up! i can possibly shed some light regarding thermals and a couple of your other questions. Now keep in mind i own the last gen Selenite (9750H/RTX2060) and i'm currently in Australia where it is winter so ambients will be slightly lower than your 25c.

1) Kryonaut tends to dry up much faster than other compounds above 80c. This is even stated on their marketing material where they use a "special process/compound to halt the drying out process up to 80c" or something along those lines. It can also be due to the fact that Kryonaut is a very thin paste and requires a heatsink with even mounting pressure (4 screws with 1 in each corner). Our machines use 3 points like on the older Alienware laptops (15 and 17 R3/R4, the really boxy looking ones with Kaby lake and Pascal GPUs).

On the notebookreview forums, this caused those machines to have some cores throttle due to heat while the rest were somewhat fine since mounting pressure was distributed unevenly across the CPU die. A mis-sized thermal pad was also to blame for it. The more savvy users of those machines bent one of the screw arms slightly as well as changed the thermal pad and they got much better results combined with the usual undervolts.

I recommend a thicker thermal paste for these barebones machines. I find that Hydronaut works much better than Kryonaut. Their performance is going to be almost identical regardless of what it says on the packaging. I use the spread method and try to get as even of a spread as possible.

2) I personally recommend a cooling pad. It is possible that the fans are being choked of airflow even when sitting on a flat table. Some Clevo barebones do this but i am not 100% sure about the GK7 barebones. I have a box of old playing cards lifting up my machine from the rear and it seems to be helping with getting more air in to the fans.

3) You can try using the command center from either XMG (Neo 17) or Eluktronics (Mech G1R)

4) I just use a clean microfiber cloth to wipe the surfaces down

5) For sound i HIGHLY recommend following this guide at the bottom of the page. Dont have to deal with whatever THX/Soundblaster software. You get the native windows EQ and can tweak to your hearts content: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/to...815943/page-462

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post Jun 4 2020, 02:56 AM

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QUOTE(JonKS1 @ Jun 3 2020, 11:12 PM)
Same goes to me, it happens occasionally where the battery drops to 99% and starts to recharge after power on.

I got another problem on the subwoofer. Whenever I start any games with power adaptor connected, there will be buzzing sound produced from subwoofer. This only happens when the laptop is connected to power adaptor. I did try to play game with battery only, there is no buzzing sound produced.
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Are you sure its coming from the subwoofer? I have stupidly loud coil whine when using Turbo mode and i notice its coming from where the main components are somewhere along the strip that houses the power button and such. Tempted to slap a thick thermal pad on whichever capacitor or mosfet is making that god awful sound
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QUOTE(SaiyanGoku @ Jun 3 2020, 02:12 AM)
Yes Prince, I meant that logo (the new one is also good  icon_rolleyes.gif ). I can add it to my own windows iso.

BTW, could you ask the ODM about the possibility to make a 92Wh battery for Selenite (upgrade from 63Wh) like the Selenite Pro? Selenite chassis has enough empty space even after removing the 2.5" drive bay.
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A bigger battery would be amazing even though i personally am already getting some decent battery life when away from the wall with an aggressive undervolt.

Although with that whole 99% battery after every shutdown who knows how long my battery can hold out....
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QUOTE(JonKS1 @ Jun 4 2020, 11:04 AM)
My PC always run game on Gaming Mode, and the sound is obvious during gaming. The sound came out from the left side (Subwoofer side) of laptop. I am not sure which component is producing that weird sound since I didn't remove the casing for checking. So you also have the similar issue?
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Odd that its coming from the subwoofer. Mine is is coming from directly where the CPU and GPU sit under the keyboard

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