Hi guys , recently my Philips LED 65” tv just reached the end of its life span , huge lines and light getting dimmer. So now I’m looking for a new TV .
Had made huge surveys , went to several shops , and now down to LG OLED ( 10,900 ) or Samsung QLED Q9F ( 13,500)
I really love LG TV , especially it collaborate with DOLBY VISION & ATMOS. Coz I plan to invest on SK9Y ATMOS 5.1.2 sound bar . But problem is my dad love watching ASTRO all the time , he is a retiree . From morning to afternoon to night ( except for lunch and dinner break )
So I think OLED is not suitable for me . The ASTRO logo will definitely cause a burn in issue . It might happen after 2 years , well it’s a 10k plus TV I plan to use it for at least another 5 years like my Philips

Since I’ve been using Philips LED TV , I wanna look for an upgrade

My another option other than LG OLED is the Samsung QLED . It’s like in between OLED and LED . It’s vibrant and it doesn’t have a burn in issue
The thing is it’s technically a LED TV . And the difference is too big . normal LED TV 65” is about RM 8k ( SUPER UHD TV ) and QLED Q9F is RM 13k
And another issue with me is if I take Samsung it doesn’t support Dolby ATMOS . It’s not a big thing for me , but I really would like to give it a try a virtual ATMOS sound bar

So I would really like to know is LG OLED burn in issue a real thing ?
Should I go for LG OLED or Samsung QLED or just an ordinary LED SUPER UHD ?


Any recommendation / advice guys ?

This post has been edited by keropi88: Feb 8 2019, 11:07 PM

another thing to consider is where you place it when you use it the most. if mostly at bright lit areas, then the qled has the advantage as the screen is brighter

Go check this youtube channel first before buying any tv many detailed info here is the burn in test from Rting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOcLasaRCzY

Check out PANASONIC.

I place it haha j my living hall , where I got only windows on one side . So most of the time the living hall is brighten with downlights

Yeah I’ve watched this video that’s why I’m not really dare to get an OLED . But I just wanna be sure if any of you have LG OLED and watches ASTRO , anybody who already got burn in ASTRO LOGO

Coz the part where they say LG uses WHITE OLED less susceptible to burn in , I wanna know it’s true or not , real world experience

U mean OLED ?

QLED much better 🙏

I believe the burn in problem is real and astro always has a static image. Most likely your dad sticks to the same few channels too.
Perhaps sony non oled?

I think if normal LED I would go for Samsung or LG

Most likely will get a QLED

I know right ? But the price so near to OLED and it’s so tempting

Whichever u feel want...
We all can give advice only.. End your $$$ 😁

To me the source makes a huge difference. You're mostly using Astro so the 4k resolution, HDR capabilities and Atmos will be underutilized. Even Netflix is underwhelming, only the super large torrent files eg. planet earth 2 actually show the HDR capabilities of the TV

Also, Atmos from a soundbar is underwhelming. If you really want Atmos, invest in a proper audio system and get good source material. Plus the current version of Samsung TVs including the top QLED can't do DTS audio, it's bloody annoying.

Finally don't forget viewing angles. I've lived with plasma TVs for several years and the Samsung is definitely not as good.

Good luck.

Thanks for such a good advice !

Yes if I take Samsung I basically giving up Dolby Vision/Atmos
Atmos not a deal breaker for me , but i like to have that option open to future proof it
I also use it to watch Netflix and Apple TV, both of these support Dolby Vision and Atmos . But I know the QLED is already very good despite not certified Dolby .

I’m also thinking that , coming from LED, I really feel like experiencing the OLED , which gives u an entirely different experience , while QLED is just a glorified LED . Just nicer picture , nothing much

When u say QLED doesn’t have DTS , but I still get 5.1 surround right ? Pass through right ?

Google it, the movies with DTS simply won't play and won't passthrough in my limited experience. I'm very annoyed, have to setup a PC with a good enough GPU to enable HDR, then let the DTS be managed by the PC while the video goes out to the TV. That's a future project for me, for now I have to be aware of the files I download

Most people in MY have not even seen a Q9FN because there are very limited numbers of them for display in MY .
You can call Samsung MY right now and ask them how many Q9FN they have sold in MY last year , if they are willing to answer you that is .


Reason for the poor sales beside the absurd pricing ? It is not exactly a very family friendly TV .
It is a mini light canon. Put this TV in a dim room , you have to watch out when firing it up on full-field white screen . Else it will make you temporarily snow blind for a bit .

For the typical family , this can be worse as the extreme brightness may cause detrimental effects to elderly / kids in the long run.
You can turn down the brightness settings but that is going to destroy the purposes of getting such a fantastic HDR TV to begin with.

With that being said , the TV is a revolutionary display when it comes to HDR , the colors and the brighter end of the spectrum look astonishing thanks to the massive dynamic range capabilities and quantum dot filters . I would go as bold as to say it is probably the best HDR TV in MY as of this moment since we don't exactly get many other choices here.


It is depressing as you can tell many in Lowyat forum/internet are only obsessed about the burn-in issues when never actually owning these TVs . The OLED has so much more to offer than that .
Burn Ins have already been happening on self emissive displays since the Plasma Era . They are not exactly new . If you have ever had a plasma and you didn't have any problems , chance is you are not going to see it .

The test conducted by rting is circumstantial at best . They are exploiting , torturing the TV by leaving it on 20 hours a day and forcing watermarked content on the TV all year long . Yet , whenever someone is asking , you will most definitely see replies of links to the rting videos . This issue by itself , has already been blown out of proportion.


Not to mention , the LG OLEDs have a cropping function which you can use to crop the screen away from those pesky watermarks / logos . Only people who actually owned , seen and used these TV know about this . While it is by no means , a practical solution as zooming into the screen may cause blurriness from resolution downgrade . But if you are watching Astro , what blurriness we are talking about here ?


The elderly , the children love the perceived contrast and natural colors from an OLED screen , resembling a portal to another dimension in a dark room , a floating 3D illusion when the bezel blends into the background .

Personally I am a huge fan of both display . In your situation ,Q9FN is the more reasonable buy as it is fantastic performer in a bright room . However if the primary audience is your father who is retired by now , he will love the OLEDs . Perhaps you can get an extended 5 years warranty from your retailers and teach your father how to "crop " the screen while watching the stubborn watermarked shows .

This post has been edited by Convael: Feb 11 2019, 07:56 AM

Thanks for the fantastic advice

I agree with you . To me , the QLED is basically “cheating” by blasting the lights behind the panel . I can do that with my phone too , by adjusting the screen brightness to full the phone image looks better

Another concern for me is the brightness , it’s very very bright . In the mall might not able to notice it . But I’m staying in a terrace house with full glass sliding door on the right side , attached with curtains . So there’s quite limited natural lights comes in . My living room is primarily lit up by LED downlights . So the extreme brightness of QLED is gonna be very prominent in my house , specifically . Just a matter of time where I will finally turn down the brightness , hence defeating the whole purpose of QLED

My major concern was the burn in issue . But I’ve read someone advice in another thread , saying that life is too short to worry too much about everything . LG is not stupid to let these issues affect their competition with QLED, since OLED is LG only contender against Samsung . Definitely they would have done something to prevent it , or at least slow down the process of burn in , slow enough for me to finally look for an upgrade , when Micro LED hits the market . 5 years is a good number for me

To be honest , in their defence , RTING test is not exaggerated . For LG specifically , they actually have a micro timer to program it on for 4 hours , then off for 4 hours , let the LG BUILT IN PIXEL REFRESHER kicks in , then on again for 4 hours . Continuously for months . Test was done on 8 TVs each permanently on diff channels . I particulatly interested in the one with CNN ( like ASTRO logo )

4 hours+ watching on a channel with permanent logo , that’s sounds very familiar with my dad watching Astro most of the time of his day , everyday. So the test is very legit for me

However , I can compare day and night everyday until forever , and I still won’t get a decision . The only way to know it is to buy it , and use it , in my environment . If OLED fails me , then i know I will move on and never look back . Though it will be a 11k lesson for me . But I believe that’s the only way to know it . Until then , OLED seems like a better TV quality , Value for me , and also i like the mouse like remote control, WEBOs , and most importantly DOLBY VISION / ATMOS / DTS compatibility

Coming previously from a LED tv , I want to try out something new , like the OLED . A totally different material . Since we don’t change TV everyday . This is the best time to experience OLED

So , yesterday I’ve bought myself a LG C8 65” OLED TV . According to the LG representative based in Best DENKI , he said LG covers 2 years of warranty inclusive of burn in . I asked him , double triple confirm with him , if I extend my warranty to 5 years ( + 3 years from Best Denki) does the extra 3 years covers burn in too , and he said yes . So I went for it

I’m gonna use the TV like I usually will . Just an extra step of doing the pixel refresh everyday / week . I’m not going to baby sit my TV (ie max 4 hours at one time , no fix on one channel , cropping etc ) I believe electronics should be worry free , they serve us , not we serve them . Electronics should ease our way of life , not adding another burden to me everyday. If that way caused burn in , so be it . If it happens to me earlier even better , I claim the warranty . As long as it last for 4 years , by that time Micro LED should be matured in market . Then it’s time to make a leap of faith again .

This post has been edited by keropi88: Feb 11 2019, 01:19 PM

The rtings test were conducted by setting the OLED TVs on maximum brightness , we don't do that for SDR channel like Astro . Most of the time setting the brightness will be adjusted to around 40 ~ 60 .
And brightness makes a huge difference when it comes to wearing out the organic pixel lifespan .

The TV also has built in measurement to mitigate some of the risk , such as pixel shifting and logo dimming algorithm . The individual subpixels has also been renewed several times throughout the last several years .


I am not saying burn in will never happen . If you are watching the same channel , consistently over many years it is bound to happen someday.
The best way is still to adjust the zoom - in settings to crop the logo out of the screen .


If you are only going to watch the same channel , it is unlikely for you to notice the burnt mark unless you are running test patterns on it since the same logo is going to be on display at the exact same position .

This post has been edited by Convael: Feb 11 2019, 02:02 PM

Sound advice indeed.

Samsung qled ftw