will amd lose to intel in the budget proccessor?
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 Jun 14 2007, 07:56 PM, updated 19y ago
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currently the new pentium E,budget processor price is around the price the amd hot processor,amd athlon 3800+ x2.but the overclock performance of new pentium E is far far better than the amd athlon x2 performance..
the question is will the pentium take over amd athlon 3800+ x2 or 3600+ x2 for the dual core budget processor?? |
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Jun 14 2007, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Jun 14 2007, 07:56 PM) currently the new pentium E,budget processor price is around the price the amd hot processor,amd athlon 3800+ x2.but the overclock performance of new pentium E is far far better than the amd athlon x2 performance.. I think if u do a search on this topic, there was a long discussion on this sometime about a month ago about the competency of amd chips versus intel chip. the question is will the pentium take over amd athlon 3800+ x2 or 3600+ x2 for the dual core budget processor??  |
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Jun 14 2007, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Jun 14 2007, 08:56 PM) currently the new pentium E,budget processor price is around the price the amd hot processor,amd athlon 3800+ x2.but the overclock performance of new pentium E is far far better than the amd athlon x2 performance.. Cheap, casual people hardly overclock.the question is will the pentium take over amd athlon 3800+ x2 or 3600+ x2 for the dual core budget processor?? Nuff said. BTW, E2140 (which most of the sucking bundlers are gonna use instead of E2160, and offer upgrades directly to 4/6300) isn't much to be excited about in OCing. And most people who want to overclock already have a Core CPU. |
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Jun 14 2007, 08:09 PM
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i think amd will continue to slip in cpu race as long as intel come up with better main stream or even budget processors. amd seriously needs to make better processors and of course value of money.
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Jun 14 2007, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Jun 14 2007, 07:56 PM) currently the new pentium E,budget processor price is around the price the amd hot processor,amd athlon 3800+ x2.but the overclock performance of new pentium E is far far better than the amd athlon x2 performance.. is not far better 2 b honest, but in most application at stock speed, the intel win. only in games that i loose a bit only. this shows that Core arch is affected heavily by its cache (correct me if im wrong)the question is will the pentium take over amd athlon 3800+ x2 or 3600+ x2 for the dual core budget processor?? |
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Jun 14 2007, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(edwin3210 @ Jun 14 2007, 11:05 PM) is not far better 2 b honest, but in most application at stock speed, the intel win. only in games that i loose a bit only. this shows that Core arch is affected heavily by its cache (correct me if im wrong) i think benchmark shows tat E2160 with half cache compare to 6300 doesnt lose much performance, so, prolly cache doesnt affect core 2 as much as they affect pentium series |
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Jun 15 2007, 12:33 AM
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http://xtreview.com/review204.htm
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/displ...tium-e2160.html unlike AMD K8, Intel Core architecture, is placing more emphasize on L2 cache. From the benchmark, in certain tests esp gaming, you will see that with Athlon X2 and E2xxx, both having same 1 MB L2 cache, Pentium E loses to AMD. But anyway, Intel Core is sweet at its OCbility  get a rm250 proc u may OC it on par with X6800 if u re lucky, but it shoudlnt be a problem to OC till 2.5 Ghz at least. That will pawn many higher end AMD X2 alrdybut in another case, if u re a regular who dont OC, then I say go with AMD is better, at least its better in gaming and comes with hardware virtualization support. |
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Jun 15 2007, 02:10 AM
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 15 2007, 12:33 AM) http://xtreview.com/review204.htm hoho...amd or intelhttp://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/displ...tium-e2160.html unlike AMD K8, Intel Core architecture, is placing more emphasize on L2 cache. From the benchmark, in certain tests esp gaming, you will see that with Athlon X2 and E2xxx, both having same 1 MB L2 cache, Pentium E loses to AMD. But anyway, Intel Core is sweet at its OCbility get a rm250 proc u may OC it on par with X6800 if u re lucky, but it shoudlnt be a problem to OC till 2.5 Ghz at least. That will pawn many higher end AMD X2 alrdybut in another case, if u re a regular who dont OC, then I say go with AMD is better, at least its better in gaming and comes with hardware virtualization support. the answer is gotta try urself luck will smile on u if ur lucky and the speed suits u but the building block is always...ur money haha |
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Jun 15 2007, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 15 2007, 12:33 AM) but in another case, if u re a regular who dont OC, then I say go with AMD is better, at least its better in gaming and comes with hardware virtualization support. AMD better at gaming? O RLY? Proof please.Core has virtualization too (though I doubt anyone here actually needs/uses it). |
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Jun 15 2007, 09:56 AM
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http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-2302-vie...160-review.html
http://xtreview.com/review204.htm This post has been edited by 8tvt: Jun 15 2007, 10:00 AM |
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Jun 15 2007, 11:56 AM
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Hum... every business has their own way to compete for market share. If AMD lost like 5 years ago, it would be gone like Cyrix or Transmeta.
I am sure AMD will find their way to gain their market share. |
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Jun 15 2007, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Jun 15 2007, 08:59 AM) AMD better at gaming? O RLY? Proof please. u twisted my comment alrdy Core has virtualization too (though I doubt anyone here actually needs/uses it).  I was just mention about the AMD lower end X2 is better than Intel's lowend C2D in gaming, when comparing clock by clock. only E6xxx has virtualization in C2D. Maybe programmers of software testers will need it, for sure it has nothing to do with gamer. This post has been edited by dattebayo: Jun 15 2007, 12:22 PM |
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Jun 15 2007, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 14 2007, 11:20 PM) u twisted my comment alrdy Clock for clock, AMD loses even for games. Compare the 1.8GHz c2 and 1.9GHz x2.I was just mention about the AMD lower end X2 is better than Intel's lowend C2D in gaming, when comparing clock by clock. only E6xxx has virtualization in C2D. Maybe programmers of software testers will need it, for sure it has nothing to do with gamer. Also, is it just me or does that xtreview link look like a complete ripoff of the xbitlabs review? Some images they ripped off directly from xbitlabs without even renaming them LOL. edit: i'm checking their other reviews too to see where they ripped them off from, so i can inform the original sites. This post has been edited by ikanayam: Jun 15 2007, 01:17 PM |
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Jun 15 2007, 01:58 PM
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hmmm ........ how about compare intel with intel ?
P4 3.0 HT better then C2D E2140 ?? any prefect answer ? |
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Jun 15 2007, 01:59 PM
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but if amd lowered their price sumore i guess they r still in da business... hope amd will survive this battle again... it's good not having any side to monopoly or else they wont' improve n v have nothing to gain... as now, this time, i guess intel has "BANG" amd kaw kaw... even in budget segment...
most (not all) software programmers or designers do not utilise the VT of the proc as owning secondary pc is cheaper n now pc is as small as lappie... look at acer... unless they creating programs to run at dumb terminal... gaming better with amd??? old phrase... it's just like intel users saying amd proc is hotter... c2d can perform very very well or ahead of amd in all 3d n graphic software if the system has been configured correctly... it's just a matter of how the user setup his machine... now even if buyer isn't aiming to oc the proc they can opt for intel as it performs very well in price/performance ratio... |
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Jun 15 2007, 02:25 PM
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AMD always depend the memory controller for the processor architecture... once the RAM have another new version, then whole memory controller have to re-design their socket ... I think this is the weakness of AMD, compare to Intel with discrete logic device on motherboard, thats why socket LGA 775 survive until now. =.=""
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Jun 15 2007, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(cinbao @ Jun 15 2007, 01:25 AM) AMD always depend the memory controller for the processor architecture... once the RAM have another new version, then whole memory controller have to re-design their socket ... I think this is the weakness of AMD, compare to Intel with discrete logic device on motherboard, thats why socket LGA 775 survive until now. =.="" Whats the point though? Socket 775 has stayed but practically every new chip they have needs a new mainboard or a new chipset.Smell like strategies in technology smarter than AMD. |
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Jun 15 2007, 03:02 PM
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haha just like the case of P35 n G33 now... soon the X38 coming...
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Jun 15 2007, 03:10 PM
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For IkanAyam :
Consumers will think changing MOBO w/o changing Proc worth better than changing both... IMO, Once AM3(izzit AM3?) released, socket AM2 Proc can apply at socket AM3(correct me if I am wrong) ? |
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Jun 15 2007, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(cinbao @ Jun 15 2007, 02:25 PM) AMD always depend the memory controller for the processor architecture... once the RAM have another new version, then whole memory controller have to re-design their socket ... I think this is the weakness of AMD, compare to Intel with discrete logic device on motherboard, thats why socket LGA 775 survive until now. =.="" Smell like strategies in technology smarter than AMD. QUOTE(cinbao @ Jun 15 2007, 03:10 PM) For IkanAyam : lol.. what u trying to say actually? Consumers will think changing MOBO w/o changing Proc worth better than changing both... IMO, Once AM3(izzit AM3?) released, socket AM2 Proc can apply at socket AM3(correct me if I am wrong) ?  |
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Jun 15 2007, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 15 2007, 04:05 PM) lol.. what u trying to say actually? Means If u want to run ur AMD x2 with DDR3, then u need to change the AMD x2 which is AM3 platform, (of course MOBO also).but for Intel C2D, U just stay back with LGA socket 779 but with P35 DDR3 MOBO. |
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Jun 15 2007, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Jun 14 2007, 07:56 PM) currently the new pentium E,budget processor price is around the price the amd hot processor,amd athlon 3800+ x2.but the overclock performance of new pentium E is far far better than the amd athlon x2 performance.. got new Pentium some more meh? the question is will the pentium take over amd athlon 3800+ x2 or 3600+ x2 for the dual core budget processor??  last i know it was Core2Duo, no more Pentium.  |
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Jun 15 2007, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 15 2007, 06:14 PM) got new Pentium some more meh? Yes there is, the new E2140 and E2160 are pentiums, not C2D eventhough they are based on the Conroe core. last i know it was Core2Duo, no more Pentium. And this new processor really excels in overclocking. I've seen reviews where the E2160 when OCed to 3.4Ghz actually runs at least on par with the Q6800 on stock. So basically nor, for below RM300, Intel will start to cut into AMD's market and we will need to wait and see how the new AMD products will try to regain this lost ground. |
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Jun 15 2007, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE(@meno @ Jun 15 2007, 06:21 PM) Yes there is, the new E2140 and E2160 are pentiums, not C2D eventhough they are based on the Conroe core. yeah. my mistake there. saw the Conroe core on CPU-Zs, assumed it was Core2Duo. |
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Jun 15 2007, 07:06 PM
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damn, after reading all of the posts, looks like i need to consider E2140 in my budget list too..
sorry for n00b in intel, but may i know what is the good mobo to be paired with E2140/E2160 for RM300 budget? |
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Jun 15 2007, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 15 2007, 06:32 PM) yeah. my mistake there. saw the Conroe core on CPU-Zs, assumed it was Core2Duo. Almost all Intel products are now Core based except Xeon MP (Tulsa) and Itanium.Tulsa's days are numbered once they get a Core based MP out w/ 4 independent FSB chipset (IIRC Tigerton). |
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Jun 15 2007, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jun 15 2007, 07:06 PM) damn, after reading all of the posts, looks like i need to consider E2140 in my budget list too.. None unless u willing to join those bulk order where u only get your board after 14 working days.sorry for n00b in intel, but may i know what is the good mobo to be paired with E2140/E2160 for RM300 budget? Abit IB9 is available at RM305 under those package. If not, prepare to fork out at least RM350 to get a decent 965 chipset board can go past 400fsb  |
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Jun 15 2007, 10:18 PM
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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jun 15 2007, 09:45 PM) None unless u willing to join those bulk order where u only get your board after 14 working days. RM350 is still acceptable, as long as it is decent and overclockable Abit IB9 is available at RM305 under those package. If not, prepare to fork out at least RM350 to get a decent 965 chipset board can go past 400fsb hm...guess i need to wait for my motherboard to back form RMA first then can decide what to do  |
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Jun 15 2007, 11:11 PM
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If you are prepared to fork out RM350, then fork out a little more, maybe say RM20 for the Biostar 965P, no regrets definitely.
Btw, the IB9 should be able to do 400 FSB, but i doubt it's gonna pass it. Anyway, go for the E2160 rather than the E2140. The 9x multiplier might be a decider when both hits same maximum FSB. |
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Jun 15 2007, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(@meno @ Jun 15 2007, 11:11 PM) If you are prepared to fork out RM350, then fork out a little more, maybe say RM20 for the Biostar 965P, no regrets definitely. IB9 can be bought for RM310 at Robyncom Imbi Plaza.. Btw, the IB9 should be able to do 400 FSB, but i doubt it's gonna pass it. Anyway, go for the E2160 rather than the E2140. The 9x multiplier might be a decider when both hits same maximum FSB. and 965P is also a good choice..can be taken into consideration.. id rather take E2140 since its cheaper  but the E2160's oc result is so damn tempting..with luck can achieve up to 3.4~3.6Ghz  This post has been edited by kalakatu: Jun 15 2007, 11:48 PM |
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Jun 20 2007, 09:37 PM
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IB9 can be bought for RM310 at Robyncom Imbi Plaza..
... or paid rm305 and waiting ETA 30 working days ! |
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Jun 20 2007, 10:59 PM
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will amd slash price again?
all x2 cpu under rm200 then will be super budget dual core |
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Jun 20 2007, 11:14 PM
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What happens if I choose not to overclock?
Should i go for AMD then? Sorry, but I very noob at computer hardwares.. |
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Jun 20 2007, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(FCUK89 @ Jun 20 2007, 11:14 PM) What happens if I choose not to overclock? Overclock or not, go for Intel as well. Should i go for AMD then? Sorry, but I very noob at computer hardwares.. If u budget limited, den only go for AMD -pWs- |
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Jun 20 2007, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(FCUK89 @ Jun 20 2007, 11:14 PM) What happens if I choose not to overclock? Should i go for AMD then? either one la. both also you won't feel the difference. |
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Jun 21 2007, 01:23 AM
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intel vs AMD ???
errmm.... yeah...intel already release their new technology..... wait till AMD come out with ther new proc "Phenom" and all its family.....  me alwiz with AMD....  |
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Jun 21 2007, 02:49 AM
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QUOTE(FCUK89 @ Jun 20 2007, 11:14 PM) What happens if I choose not to overclock? Its ur choice, real time performance you won't feel a differenceShould i go for AMD then? Sorry, but I very noob at computer hardwares.. |
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Jun 21 2007, 05:32 AM
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QUOTE(sempronic @ Jun 21 2007, 01:23 AM) intel vs AMD ??? Act, I alway thinking why AMD decided to delay to release their new product?! Is it AMD wanna wait until the right time to release their product to fight back Intel. Hopefully new AMD family Phenom and Barcelona will not make their fans feel disappoint.errmm.... yeah...intel already release their new technology..... wait till AMD come out with ther new proc "Phenom" and all its family..... me alwiz with AMD.... |
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Jun 21 2007, 10:06 AM
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I see...
Anyway, when is the release of the 2 new AMD processor? The mobo for that new proc will only support DDR 3? |
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Jun 21 2007, 10:15 AM
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Wondering something here..
If i decided to let go of my current rig (Socket 939), would it be a wise decision to go with C2D or maybe just wait more till those Quad Processors stabilize and get them? DDR3 seems like a long way to go for me.. |
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Jun 21 2007, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(akachester @ Jun 21 2007, 10:15 AM) Wondering something here.. Yeah, that is what I'm wondering also..I was thinking of getting a new rig this coming september, but then, should i wait longer?If i decided to let go of my current rig (Socket 939), would it be a wise decision to go with C2D or maybe just wait more till those Quad Processors stabilize and get them? DDR3 seems like a long way to go for me.. If they just release the new proc, wouldn't the price be quite high, and I have to wait longer somemore? |
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Jun 21 2007, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(akachester @ Jun 21 2007, 10:15 AM) Wondering something here.. How about wait for Phenom X2 or Agena FX? Then if AMD still disappointing us just take penryn. If i decided to let go of my current rig (Socket 939), would it be a wise decision to go with C2D or maybe just wait more till those Quad Processors stabilize and get them? DDR3 seems like a long way to go for me..  |
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Jun 21 2007, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(§layerXT @ Jun 21 2007, 10:19 AM) How about wait for Phenom X2 or Agena FX? Then if AMD still disappointing us just take penryn. But how long will that be? Those are quad cores or ??? |
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Jun 21 2007, 10:51 AM
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 New technologies 2MBL3 cache Source from Daiy Tech AMD will release 45nm, DDR3 and socket AM3 in 2008. Source from Daily Tech This post has been edited by Faint: Jun 21 2007, 10:57 AM |
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Jun 21 2007, 11:05 AM
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Shit !!! the quad-core war has come ... What diiferent with the socket AM2 and AM2+ ? somemore what da head was socket 1207+ ?
Do it with Hyper Transport Technology ( HTT ) 3.0 ? |
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Jun 21 2007, 11:19 AM
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Socket AM2 and socket 1207 are for current AMD X2, Athlon 64, Sempron, FX and Quad-FX. While AM2+ is and socket 1207+ are for upcoming AMD new processor.
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Jun 21 2007, 12:21 PM
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Saw this post from the link of Brother Faint that meaningful to consumer like us, I think we need this conception in mind as well ...
Source : http://www.dailytech.com/Final+AMD+Stars+M...ghardware.co.uk QUOTE Question: Without competition you will be paying 2 grand for high end cpu's and 1k plus for video cards in very very short order. 1)Yes competition is essential for higher quality products & lower prices. 2)For us the buyers we need an a market, where the market share of the 2 companies should be-(Intel)70% (Amd)30%. In such conditions the buyer always stands to gain to enable you get higher quality products & lower prices. 3)EXCESS of competition & LACK of competition is BAD for us-we the buyers, the ULTIMATE DECIDERS of market share for these companies should maintain the above RATIO !(70 to 30). 4)Higher quality products & lower prices is an incentive or motivator for buyers/users/consumers to UPGRADE. 5)The lack of incentives to upgrade, means people simply dont upgrade-thats all ! they prefer to make do with what they have & wait for prices to drop. 6) Example for the above is VISTA ! People are just not motivated to upgrade & prefer to make do with XP & prefer to wait.They simple DONT BUY ! But let there be Apples O.S. "X" (tiger/leopard) up for sale without the Apple hardware-Then watch ! If Apple sell its O.S. like M.S.-then see what happens- YOU will see real WAR-Intel/Amd style. We will get higher quality & lower prices ! 7)Just remember-People are not that stupid-If the prices are HIGH they simply DONT BUY.So Intel can charge in your scenario "2G" & Nvidia "1K"- result-NO BUYERS ! I am sure there are millions out there who say this- "I can live without a 8800 series card-Whats the hurry" So Nvidia can charge what it wants-NO BUYERS ! Summary-WE the buyers decide the FATE of Intel & Nvidia ! They need US more than WE DO ! |
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Jun 21 2007, 12:40 PM
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socket 1207 is yet another new socket?
isnt AM2/2+/3 still using 940 pins and share the same layout? |
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Jun 21 2007, 12:56 PM
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socket 1207 = socket F for server...
maybe 1207+.. |
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Jun 21 2007, 01:06 PM
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lol again lor = = time to chagne board? 939>AM2>AM2+ = =""
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Jun 21 2007, 01:11 PM
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AM2 board will still can be used for some years to come
I think its not wise to spend on AM2+ mobo, just some minor add-ons and still no DDR3 support This post has been edited by dattebayo: Jun 21 2007, 01:12 PM |
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Jun 21 2007, 02:12 PM
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Anyone cared to enlighten me about this AMD X2 BE-2350?
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/06/18/amd...rike/page2.html Are they new version of processors or just an energy efficient version of the X2? |
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Jun 21 2007, 03:43 PM
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Nice sumarry cinbao
 Socket 1207 is not a new socket, this socket was use for AMD Quad-FX processor. Socket 1207+ is for the upcoming Agena FX, this two type of socket are for server use. If I'm not mistaken, AM2+ mobo can use AM2 processor but AM2 mobo can't use AM2+ processor and AM2+ mobo still haven can support DDR3 yet. About Athlon X2 BE-2350 and BE-2300  Source from HotHardware This post has been edited by Faint: Jun 21 2007, 03:47 PM |
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Jun 21 2007, 06:55 PM
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duno if ddr 3 out in the market then all hell break lose with intell and nvidia card going for ddr4
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QUOTE(Faint @ Jun 21 2007, 03:43 PM) Nice sumarry cinbao eh..i tot AM2 can support AM2+..?? what i know is AM2+ cannot support AM2(correct me if im wrong..) Socket 1207 is not a new socket, this socket was use for AMD Quad-FX processor. Socket 1207+ is for the upcoming Agena FX, this two type of socket are for server use. If I'm not mistaken, AM2+ mobo can use AM2 processor but AM2 mobo can't use AM2+ processor and AM2+ mobo still haven can support DDR3 yet. |
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Jun 22 2007, 01:44 AM
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Sorry guys, I want make correction for my replied. AM2 can use AM2+, but cannot fully run all the feature of AM2+. In another way, AM2+ can run AM2 without problem.
 QUOTE Socket AM2+ processors can be installed in socket AM 2 motherboard . User in this case will loose the support Of hyper-Transport 3.0 and also the more flexible power control Source from Xtrerview This post has been edited by Faint: Jun 22 2007, 01:44 AM |
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QUOTE(Faint @ Jun 22 2007, 01:44 AM) Sorry guys, I want make correction for my replied. AM2 can use AM2+, but cannot fully run all the feature of AM2+. In another way, AM2+ can run AM2 without problem. AM2+ is HT3. You can plug-in an AM2+ chip into an AM2 socket but lose HT3 functionality. Source from Xtrerview Also mobos on AM2+ have a split voltage plane: one for the IMC and one for the cores itself. AM2 mobos will have single shared voltage plane. Theoretically this should allow lower power consumption and better o/c control. |
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Jun 23 2007, 08:46 AM
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Wat kind of benifits for the AM2+?
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Jun 23 2007, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 21 2007, 01:11 PM) AM2 board will still can be used for some years to come it will be a different matter if u want that super cool feature called "split-power-plane" and HT3.0. HT3.0 will b important if u use the board with X4, since X4 will be very bandwidth hungry (esp if certain application use all 4 cores together). I think its not wise to spend on AM2+ mobo, just some minor add-ons and still no DDR3 support anyway, lower end of Agena will b interesting for overclockers, but sadly the lowest one will b 2.2GHz. if there's a one with 1.9Ghz and lower price, it will b a kick a$$ for budget and overclockers freak |
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Jun 23 2007, 10:29 AM
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to who want to play dual core 1st when got exra money want change quad core = = have to change board...
hope amd price is enough to VS intel.. if not all go to intel Q6600 |
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Jun 23 2007, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(taxidoor @ Jun 23 2007, 10:29 AM) to who want to play dual core 1st when got exra money want change quad core = = have to change board... if the new k10 perform as wat AMD claim, i doubt anyone will be interested in Core, unless it is selling like wat AMD did to its K8 to counter Core now.hope amd price is enough to VS intel.. if not all go to intel Q6600 |
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Jun 23 2007, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(taxidoor @ Jun 23 2007, 10:29 AM) to who want to play dual core 1st when got exra money want change quad core = = have to change board... Intel Q6600 will go down to US266 this 22nd July anyway.hope amd price is enough to VS intel.. if not all go to intel Q6600 |
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Jun 24 2007, 08:58 PM
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AM2 +proc can use in am2 motherboard or not?
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Jun 24 2007, 09:02 PM
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I think so, but can't use its full potential. Do correct me if I'm wrong
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Jun 25 2007, 11:10 AM
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Jun 25 2007, 11:59 AM
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AMD X2 3600 vs Intel E2140 .... which is better ?
will the board supporting Intel E2140 exp compare to AMD ? sorry noob here...not really know more on Desktop ... |
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Jun 25 2007, 01:45 PM
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not really...!!amd still the cheapest in market....!!
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QUOTE(steventan85 @ Jun 25 2007, 11:59 AM) AMD X2 3600 vs Intel E2140 .... which is better ? U can find similar mobo price for both platform. But intel will overclock better.will the board supporting Intel E2140 exp compare to AMD ? sorry noob here...not really know more on Desktop ... |
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Jun 25 2007, 02:30 PM
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Whether it is budget or performance processor intel has the better processor I think.With their 'blockbuster' advertisment they will continue to conquer the processor market.
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Jun 25 2007, 02:35 PM
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yeah agree with u..how many people know amd actually..i've yet to see amd advertisement on tv..the one and only advertisement i saw besides shoping complex (eg:lowyat plaza) was at PJ near hilton hotel..
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QUOTE(§layerXT @ Jun 25 2007, 02:14 PM) U can find similar mobo price for both platform. But intel will overclock better. not every people know overclock just compare stock vs stock larif overclock sure pentium e lor |
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QUOTE(§layerXT @ Jun 25 2007, 02:14 PM) U can find similar mobo price for both platform. But intel will overclock better. but amd on board g.card is better than Intel GMA950 rite ?now choosing which platform to use on my gf desktop .... i need to fork out another Rm300++ for g.card if i use intel mobo ....Intel GMA950 is a no no for Vista... Ati 1250 is much more better than GMA950 |
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Jun 25 2007, 11:27 PM
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By the way a LOT of PC builders happened to be "bought" by Intel to spout propaganda and misinformation towards consumers who want to buy AMD based systems. Anecdotal evidence, but this happened 4 years ago when I ordered a Barton system from __ _____. *eyeroll*
Or maybe LGA775 is just easier for the builders?  A friend of mine was swayed towards getting an E4300 for casual usage! Fairplay, this ain't. Root for the underdog I have to. @Steven, GMA950 CAN run Aero. It also performs better than most think. It still sucks for gamers though budget-PC people aren't. |
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Jun 26 2007, 09:18 AM
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let say
AMD X2 3600+ n biostar TA690G = 200 + 300 = RM500 INTEL C2D E2160 n average mobo = 300 + 300 = RM600 with intel platform u need to fork out RM100 more... and again i'm not too aware about good intel mobo for budget n OCable.. since everybody also saying intel OC better.. is the average intel mobo came with good built-in gpu n can OC better? i don't know coz i've tried on amd.. maybe someone here can enlighten me.. just to OC.. we need to pay another hundred for better mobo? isn't that raise up the cost.. for me... u got the performance from what u paying for... there's no point paying more for everage daily usage... think².. |
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Jun 26 2007, 09:20 AM
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OCing get a lot more in performance for the price. actually top up RM 100 - 200 worth it cos you get back more than that in terms of performance........
BUT if you get the performance of RM1k processor and still don't utilize, then waste lor. IMO comparison should never bring in OC. i prefer compare stock vs stock. |
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Jun 26 2007, 10:40 AM
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If u are going to compare stock to stock, then AMD is a smarter choice. huhu
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Jun 26 2007, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(§layerXT @ Jun 26 2007, 10:40 AM) If u are going to compare stock to stock, then AMD is a smarter choice. huhu 1. why?2. and why are you using Intel processor? |
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Jun 26 2007, 11:52 AM
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ok.. put aside the OC thingy..
for equivalent stock performance.. 3600+ or 3800+ = E2160.. spend RM100~200 more on intel platform.. whould be better if buy 4400+... but for me.. i spend according to my budget.. and i'm selecting which performance/value suit me... it's depends on u guys.. |
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 26 2007, 10:41 AM) 1. why? Becoz of overclockability, that's all. If I am just using stock speed all the time then just grab AMD. This is all about price/performance. 2. and why are you using Intel processor? This post has been edited by §layerXT: Jun 26 2007, 02:33 PM |
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Jun 26 2007, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 26 2007, 09:18 AM) let say get biostar with onboard 6100 more cheap below 300 save a few buck lagiAMD X2 3600+ n biostar TA690G = 200 + 300 = RM500 INTEL C2D E2160 n average mobo = 300 + 300 = RM600 with intel platform u need to fork out RM100 more... and again i'm not too aware about good intel mobo for budget n OCable.. since everybody also saying intel OC better.. is the average intel mobo came with good built-in gpu n can OC better? i don't know coz i've tried on amd.. maybe someone here can enlighten me.. just to OC.. we need to pay another hundred for better mobo? isn't that raise up the cost.. for me... u got the performance from what u paying for... there's no point paying more for everage daily usage... think².. |
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amd quite tahan lasak....
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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Jun 26 2007, 02:42 PM) get biostar with onboard 6100 more cheap below 300 save a few buck lagi i rather take current board..at least max shared memory is 512mb.. and again better gpu with HDMI support.. those thing should cost a little bit more right.. but the thing is.. i got below 300..and that's a few month ago.. if only got IEEE.. it would be a perfect budget board.. can tell me good intel mobo for the same price range? at least i can try Ocing budget intel platform... |
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Jun 26 2007, 03:00 PM) amd quite tahan lasak.... can you please back up you claim with at least a copiedPasted article or personal experience? If not this is just a useless spam which you just posted because you heard/read rumours from the internet/friend and you don't even know if it's real or not and just wasting our time |
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Jun 26 2007, 04:44 PM) can you please back up you claim with at least a copiedPasted article or personal experience? If not this is just a useless spam which you just posted because you heard/read rumours from the internet/friend and you don't even know if it's real or not and just wasting our time what he said...LOL |
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Jun 26 2007, 04:06 PM
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for budget line of dual core proc, AMD is losing now.
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Jun 26 2007, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 26 2007, 04:06 PM) for budget line of dual core proc, AMD is losing now. then.. considering good budget intel mobo.. no budget line anymore..tell me which budget board is good for oc... i want to try... |
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 26 2007, 04:06 PM) for budget line of dual core proc, AMD is losing now. non overclockers and super budget ppl, AMD is the right choice. |
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QUOTE(edwin3210 @ Jun 26 2007, 05:14 PM) non overclockers and super budget ppl, AMD is the right choice. you are right.this is because not every people want to overclock/they also donno how to overclock i dont think so because x2 can get below 200 i think for the proc |
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QUOTE(fcuk90 @ Jun 26 2007, 07:09 PM) you are right.this is because not every people want to overclock/they also donno how to overclock i dont think so because x2 can get below 200 i think for the proc Non overclocking and typical ppl also don't need dual cores or 64 bit processors. Thus there is not much advantage in using X2 when the difference is negligeble. Heck, in some cases dual core can be slower for these kind of ppls. go figure.... |
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Jun 26 2007, 09:00 PM
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dun wan overclock? actually for a same price of e2160, even run it at stock, it can beat stock X2 3800 in most cases. Dual core proc is getting more and more useful, if u want a perfect vista running, dual core is nothing but really recommended. Lots of hidden services, the sidebar for eg, will consume significant cpu time every few seconds
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 26 2007, 10:00 PM) dun wan overclock? actually for a same price of e2160, even run it at stock, it can beat stock X2 3800 in most cases. Dual core proc is getting more and more useful, if u want a perfect vista running, dual core is nothing but really recommended. Lots of hidden services, the sidebar for eg, will consume significant cpu time every few seconds The e2160 is more expensive than X2 3800 for budget proccessor, it is not fair to compare like tat |
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Jun 26 2007, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(darnell @ Jun 26 2007, 09:22 PM) The e2160 is more expensive than X2 3800 for budget proccessor, it is not fair to compare like tat ok.. then compare with x2 4200 or 4000 then... but Intel still has the chance... |
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Jun 26 2007, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 26 2007, 10:37 PM) ok.. then compare with x2 4200 or 4000 then... but Intel still has the chance... yaya.. If budget dual core processor, then i think may be can compare E2140 with x2 3800 . |
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Jun 26 2007, 03:44 PM) can you please back up you claim with at least a copiedPasted article or personal experience? If not this is just a useless spam which you just posted because you heard/read rumours from the internet/friend and you don't even know if it's real or not and just wasting our time using amd for 10 yrs... cheap and tahan lasak bile suhu bilik panas...... |
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QUOTE(CHIP CN @ Jun 26 2007, 10:05 PM) using amd for 10 yrs... cheap and tahan lasak bile suhu bilik panas...... O rilli?Thanx for sharing your personal experience there, you have anything else more constructive to say? If no then you may now proceed back to mars. Thank you. Btw, 10 years you've been on AMD? Wat rig are you using now, i'm interested. Cheap and tahan lasak bile suhu bilik panas, maksud hang AMD tak tahan kalu bilik ada air cond ngan tak panas lar? Ok enough of those OT talk, back to the topic. Since the E2160 is priced around RM300, i suppose the most proper rival for it in a head to head clash will be the X2 4000+. I will have to agree that Intel will lead all the way in benchies if both procs are running on stock. But comparing a procesor which was launched almost a year back with a newly launched proc is still a litle unfair isn't it. Anyhow, my conclusion is still that Intel is seriously cutting into AMDs budget line market share. If AMD were to regain their advantage in the budget/entry level market, something serious will need to come out from the Kumas. For both the procs, each has their own advantages. The AMDs still run on less power compared to Intels. So maybe this will be an attraction for those HTPC builders or maybe Silent PC builders who will seek to underclock their Processors to the most efficient power consumption to performance ratio. |
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Jun 27 2007, 01:26 AM
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lead on benchies is the key word.
actual usage - can't feel. |
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jun 26 2007, 09:00 PM) dun wan overclock? actually for a same price of e2160, even run it at stock, it can beat stock X2 3800 in most cases. Dual core proc is getting more and more useful, if u want a perfect vista running, dual core is nothing but really recommended. Lots of hidden services, the sidebar for eg, will consume significant cpu time every few seconds Depends on the gadget. The original RAM/Proc meter gauge that comes with the sidebar is the usual culprit. Replace it with a third party one and you'll find out that the cpu surge every second or so will be gone |
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One thing for sure, more people knows Intel more than AMD. Intel's advertising is everywhere while AMD ones are lacking. Try to ask those people that do not know much about PC Hardwares and when they wanted to get a new rig, they will ask for Intel straight away.
I tried checking with my dad before about building a PC and he insist getting Intel. When i told him about AMD, he was like blurred on how trustable the brand is due to the lack of advertising available. Anyway, in general comparison and normal usage, i really doubt anyone can feel major difference between the low end models like X2 3600 with E2140. Benchmarking wise, ok, there are differences. Other than that, i felt that it is negligible. For budget concise people who do not have any extra to spend (aka, its RM250 FIRM on a proc), getting an AMD is not a bad idea anyway. Somehow, its better than what you think and the difference between both C2D and X2 is almost unoticeable. What makes people worried is that when they ask, people will say, go C2D. They are better. How much better is not mention in any sort of way and people would start having an assumption of C2D is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY better than X2 in cases. Else, if your budget are expendable, going C2D aint bad either. In a case IF you decided to learn about OCing in the future, its a good choice of having a proc that are ready to do the job very well indeed. Anyhow, it is not good bashing AMD with those crucial statements. Wait till AMD regain their crown and people will bash Intel again. With current price war, consider yourself ready for a good purchase of any procs available around... |
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Jun 27 2007, 01:58 PM
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im c a thread on web say that AMD will flash price on 9/7/07 ...its it true...???
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slash la. not flash.
just donno when. |
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QUOTE(akachester @ Jun 27 2007, 10:05 AM) One thing for sure, more people knows Intel more than AMD. Intel's advertising is everywhere while AMD ones are lacking. Try to ask those people that do not know much about PC Hardwares and when they wanted to get a new rig, they will ask for Intel straight away. Fantastic reply. That's a very matured one. The advertising matters most. Like Pepsi vs Coca-Cola, M-16 vs AK-47, which car vs which car and the stuff like that. I tried checking with my dad before about building a PC and he insist getting Intel. When i told him about AMD, he was like blurred on how trustable the brand is due to the lack of advertising available. Anyway, in general comparison and normal usage, i really doubt anyone can feel major difference between the low end models like X2 3600 with E2140. Benchmarking wise, ok, there are differences. Other than that, i felt that it is negligible. For budget concise people who do not have any extra to spend (aka, its RM250 FIRM on a proc), getting an AMD is not a bad idea anyway. Somehow, its better than what you think and the difference between both C2D and X2 is almost unoticeable. What makes people worried is that when they ask, people will say, go C2D. They are better. How much better is not mention in any sort of way and people would start having an assumption of C2D is WAYYYYYYYYYYYY better than X2 in cases. Else, if your budget are expendable, going C2D aint bad either. In a case IF you decided to learn about OCing in the future, its a good choice of having a proc that are ready to do the job very well indeed. Anyhow, it is not good bashing AMD with those crucial statements. Wait till AMD regain their crown and people will bash Intel again. With current price war, consider yourself ready for a good purchase of any procs available around... I found new Celerons (4xx) series and they are very superb! 800MHz FSB, 512K cache and also using Core's architectures. Maybe it'll really beat up the fastest S.478 P4 and even the Prescotts. |
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Well said, I was also quite suprised at the celeron too. I was building a budget PC for my sis and used the Celeron 3.06GHz (D346). and it was faster than my old P4 2.4 that I left at home by a mile, considering that I reformatted and reinstalled both with a new OS at the same time, and both are using 1GB RAM. And I still prefer to work with the Intel's HSF, having owned many AMD proc in the past, i still have nightmares when dealing with their HSF. At least the AM2 was an inprovement in design, but the Intel's one are still easier to install, ecspecially if you're new to making your own PC.
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Jun 28 2007, 01:19 PM) Well said, I was also quite suprised at the celeron too. I was building a budget PC for my sis and used the Celeron 3.06GHz (D346). and it was faster than my old P4 2.4 that I left at home by a mile, considering that I reformatted and reinstalled both with a new OS at the same time, and both are using 1GB RAM. And I still prefer to work with the Intel's HSF, having owned many AMD proc in the past, i still have nightmares when dealing with their HSF. At least the AM2 was an inprovement in design, but the Intel's one are still easier to install, ecspecially if you're new to making your own PC. The Celeron D with 512K cache are magnificient - and they overclock very well too. I had a C.D 347, and push it until to 3.8GHz and the performance difference is almost 25% more! But I pushed it down to the stock speeds because the fan is getting very noisy. You gotta see the new Celeron D 420, 430 and 440. Can kill any single core Athlon 64 without a hitch. They could have maybe 35W TDP and even Speedstep (can someone confirm this??), and the Core microarchitecture. I'm not sure whether it'll even outperform Prescott P4... but maybe. Who knows? These are based on Core architecutres. |
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QUOTE(kenny79 @ Jun 27 2007, 02:58 PM) im c a thread on web say that AMD will flash price on 9/7/07 ...its it true...??? oh.. is it? AMD slash price before intel? It is possible. This is the only tactic AMD can do now. K10 , when u come out This post has been edited by darnell: Jun 28 2007, 02:05 PM |
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think of last 2-4 years ago. The era of Intel Netburst vs AMD K7 and K8, many others will recommend AMD that time, whereby a cheaper athlon 64 3000 will beat the crap out of Prescott/Northwood P4 3GHz. Now the situation is just rotating to favor Intel.
In the early days, Intel won by jamming up clock speed, while AMD realizes the limitations of GHz way earlier than Intel. |
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Talking about budget CPU "wars", this news is kinda "old" - Intel E2140 CPUs all snatched up in Hong Kong - CommunicAsia 2007 News Coverage Singapore @ my.ocworkbench.com
QUOTE According to our HK news correspondent, the Intel E2140 CPU priced around 600HKD ~ 700HKD is all sold out at major shops at shopping complexes e.g. Sham Shui Po. This CPU, as we reported earlier, is the lowest end Core 2 Duo processors targetting the AMD X2 3600+ processor. The processor is supposed to outperform the X2 3600+ 1.9GHz 65nm priced at HKD 539. |
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but right now.. 3600+ price reduced...
the thing is who want to buy single core amd since the price quite same.. better for us then.. X2 price drop.. can get X4 cheaper.. |
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 28 2007, 04:12 PM) but right now.. 3600+ price reduced... Well, from this time onwards, i dont think Dual Core CPUs are regarded as high end processors anymore as compared to last time. Dual Core now are becoming too common in today's technology and Quad Core had become what Dual Core is last time..LOL..Time to forget about those single core because technology always improve...the thing is who want to buy single core amd since the price quite same.. better for us then.. X2 price drop.. can get X4 cheaper.. |
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