no need so high res
24mp is good enough for everything

true also, 24 is universal.

above is overkill

but the sharpness is different.

using cheap lens also can get sharp image.

see how. either a7riii or d850 or z6 as z7 seems overprice.

else, keep a7ii as i dont need a7iii features for now.

bateri pun alot. gg

if you guys wanna trade sony cams and lenses, you can check out Mr Chan at Bukit Tinggi Klang, had many many dealings with him for Sony stuffs..
very pleasant and informative guy with good trade in prices and cheap new or used sony gears....check out this link


https://www.facebook.com/GoodPricephotograp...BV8RSSw&theater


say weng sent you..

This post has been edited by weng98: Jan 25 2019, 06:43 PM

WTF!
how much the trader want to sell/profit has nothing to do with how much the trader buy from u.....

u agreed on the trade in price then rant here and blame the trader?
are u kidding me?

when u buy u no wan cheap? the trader buy from u, he buy also of cos wan cheap

seriously there is so many camera shop out there if the trade in price is not good just say no, not very hard wat

Bought my Sony 24GM from them and he told me in whatsapp the price. And when I got there he told me he cannot sell it at that price without buying a 200rm UV filter.

Since I'm in a rush for xmas vacation I just obliged.

I'll probably think twice in buying from them again lol

why you all butthurt already then only post here? if you knew you were getting a bad deal then agree to the conditions what else is there to complain? 3-4 of you guys/girls excuse is that you are rushing so decide to close the deal... that does not even make sense and is actually financially irresponsible ... at your own expense

Well they are sharing their experience on the issue though

Still don't justify the occasional unethical/illegal practices of the shopkeeper as well

really dumb.. didn't read thread aah.. or blind? i think blind...

lol im blind?
either u contradict urself or u use sarcasm. y dun u read again wat u wrote huh?

unethical maybe, illegal highly doubt so.
At the end of the day one party decides to walk away or take the deal. It was not like the guy held a knife to his/her neck or something like that. Maybe if I ever go to this seller i might be a little more careful, but my advise is to treat every transaction with care and dont make "I was rushing/short of time/etc" an excuse.

Fyi illegal = against the law

It's illegal to cheat/mislead the customer, ie saying it's full of fungus, and then go on to sell it saying there's none.

There's a whole consumer act on this.
Need I share it again on lowyat?

Just because it's a person's mistake to accept a bad deal, doesn't make the shop keeper absolve from responsibility. The person might be foolish, but the shopkeeper just pulled an illegal act, and there's that.

hi... perhaps you can show me where my messages contradicts myself.. Chua is a long time reseller to me... since the early a7 alpha days.. heck I even bought a d90. from him... it does not matters how much he resells as mentioned earlier so you don't have to start your reply with a WTF.. did you not see or read what is being discussed.. I wouldn't go so far as to accusing him doing illegal trades.. unethical is a definitely yes.. you can argue that the seller can always walk away.. but sometimes a seller has their own agenda too ie hassle to go other shops and or maybe in need of money rushingly.. all we ask for is a fair deal.. but as you can read in my previous messages, I had been poorly treated as a seller to facilitate his profit margin.. as Did some other forumers here.. pls. do read through my rants and understand what we are trying to say.. and imagine if you were in our shoes.. how would you feel? really think about it and reply again... wishing all forumers a happeee Chinese New year... and thank you all the replies here.. I might have achieved what I wanted to do here.. to make awareness towards unethical conducts by this reseller..did he do it..? a resounding YES... was it fair.. fckg No..

Read above on not honouring words. It is clearly an attempt to cheat people. Say one thing, when go to shop do another.

Fine and dandy then. You guys will need to educate OP on consumer act and how to lodge a report then.
But before you do that think about what your argument will be at the Tribunal... nothing is stopping the shop owner from buying the lens, clean the fungus off and list as dust and fungus free next day - and there goes your argument. If you as the lens seller think that the shop owner is talking bull, just say thanks and walk off. its the same thing when someone wants to sell you ubat kuat lelaki at the back alley - you will think he is crazy and walk off right?

Regarding honouring words - in the mudah/FB marketplace/carosell listing, tell me where in the T&C that says listings is contractually bound to be true and accurate. even the best companies will say in one legal jargon or another "to the best of effort" when it comes to listing products and services. I am sure a lot of us had this experience with sellers and not only with camera gear...

Let's go back to where your arguments got huge flaws - your initial post and your posts after that. You don't get it. And please stop adding new flawed points after points when you can't even back the first one up.

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You said why butthurt?
People are sharing their experience. Not all are butthurt. And if people didn't know the seller behaved like that, some wouldn't know better. They would have been possibly cheated by the seller.

But here you are butthurt about ppl who are butthurt and some who decided to just make a mention about the issue.

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Secondly you bring up the point it's not illegal. It is illegal if the shopkeeper said there was fungus to begin with, even if he had cleaned it, so the argument stays. The issue on proving whether the said item had fungus or not depends on one what one of the posters said.

I'm just saying it's illegal if that was the case.

So what happens to people that got cheated, none the wiser? Gotta have a minimum iq to buy a product? So it's ok to cheat people as long as you don't get caught? It's ok to pull an imdb as long as you can imdb photography products? If you did something wrong, you did something wrong and in some cases it's against the law, and there's that.

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Thirdly you decided to bring another point in which is these online shops are "best effort in info". Well then, I just closed a pc shop with kpdnkk few months back for a bad listing, and if you're not lazy, you will find each tnc would say "not violating any law". And it happens to be the consumer act is a law. Act as a word doesn't just apply to acting in English mind you.

maybe i should forward this link to chua .. maybe if he wants he can defend himself here.. i mean there's always two side to a story....or if he doesn't care then so be it...

The part where I said was "not illegal" is my mistake. But what I am saying is:
Don't make an excuse that you were rushing/<any otherwise excuses > for closing a bad deal and then say that anyone cheated you - that is butthurt.

At the end of the day complain as much as you all want and the willingness for you to take this to the police/tribunal, it does take IQ and a level of intelligence to buy and sell. Even if it is illegal there will be people out there to cheat you. Because guess what; that is the reality. So save yourself the trouble and learn to avoid it in the first place. If anyone thinks the above does not make sense well I don't have anything else left to say.

Yeah but the issue is you dive right into this thread yall saying butthurt padahal some are just sharing their experience. How else is people going to know some shops are fishy if they didn't know about it. Some people might not sniff that out first hand and some are just plain gullible. So when some people point that out, any sort of cheating should be condemned, and if it's hard for some people to get it, it is also backed up by law. So at some point when you go on justifying the shopkeeper actions, and then go on saying everyone is butthurt, is a stark contrast and also uncalled for.

However you are not wrong in saying we should all be responsible for our actions, that is to say when we accept the bad deal, especially if we knowingly did so. Many have said here he provide one of the best prices for trade in, despite what he might have said.

Honestly WTF is wrong with you? Are you somewhat linked to ST Chua? TS shared his bad experiences with ACCE Shop, and it has been corroborated with a few ohters who shared similar experiences. Why are you so bloody defensive of that shop? Clearly that ST Chua guy had a good side and bad side of him, and TS has very clearly mentioned the 'good' side of Chua that made TS dealt with Chua for many years, up till the recent point. Other posters has also shared how unprofessional and dishonest Chua is.

Instead of doing what you suggested when dealing with a seller who is full of bullshit, TS has taken the additional trouble to make a post here to warn others. Instead of being a selfish guy like yourself, he came here to share his experiences with us.

I for one, am grateful to TS because it did cross my mind to pay ST Chua a visit just to see what he has. But after this post, I decided not to go anymore, because it will likely be a waste of my time. Your time may not be valuable, since you seems to be ok with going all the way to the shop and going home without completing a deal and shrugg off the shop's owner's behavior. But my time (and I believe others in here as well) is very valuable and I don't want to be spending time driving all the way there and waste 2 hours of it.

So TS, thanks for sharing, a sincere thumbs up from me.

IMO, no need to do that. You have been pretty transparent in that you mentioned you dealt with him in the past and thinks he is ok back then. Let the rest judge for themselves.