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post Dec 23 2018, 01:41 AM, updated 6y ago

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Welcome to the new Insurance discussion thread Version 5.00

Created Date: 23rd Dec 2018

If you have any questions on insurance, just ask the experts in this thread!

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post Jan 4 2019, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(likitsaelee @ Jan 2 2019, 05:56 PM)
Hi, any prudential agent here?

I got a quotation from an prudential agent about PRUvalue med just now.
I am thinking to get this plan for my father (49 yo/smoker/occupation class 3) with 20k deductible, board rate 100.

Life insurance: 20k (I don't need this, but the agent says must buy).
Premium: RM 160

According to the calculation given by the agent the plan can sustain until 76 yo, but i can top up if i want to extend the coverage.
Questions:
1. Is it correct that i must buy the life insurance to buy PRUvalue? I don't need this.
2. One thing i noticed is that the agent can adjust the premium, the only thing changed is how long the plan can last. Does it mean that i can pay a minimum amount initially, and top up accordingly as i got more money in the future?
3. Since i am buying the plan for my father, in which i will be the one paying. Am i eligible for tax relief?
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1. Age next Birthday 50, RM20k deductible, R/B 100, premium RM100/mth

Min Life Insurance can go down till RM10K,

Projected sustainability high -> 78, low -> 73

2. Yes you may top up for the plan sustainability whenever you are able to.

3. No, you can't. For the Life Insurance Tax Relief (epf+life insurance), it is only able for tax relief for yourself and spouse. No parent.

For the medical/education insurance tax relief (RM3K) is for yourself, spouse and/or children. No parent

Obviously the above refers to 2017 tax relief. It should be the same for 2018 except that life insurance and epf has been separated as announced by LGE.

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post Feb 4 2019, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(cucikaki @ Feb 1 2019, 09:20 AM)
Hi. I applied for PruBSN Anugerah Plus insurance on 30/1.

Receive email on 31/1 from prudential on the confirmation.

Agent say the coverage start 1 february.

But he said my february contribution is free. Will only deduct from credit card march onwards.

However he say need to pay application fee one time which is equivalent to my monthly contribution. Is this true? Need transfer to his personal account as he paid the fee upfront for me yesterday upon registration.
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Well since the agent has agreed to pay for you on your behalf for Feb payment, to be extra cautious, just tell him/her that you'll only pay him (RM200) once you sighted the policy document or the e-policy confirmation papers together with the original receipt from PruBSN.

The practice of agent paying first is not encouraged to minimize on fraud, but some agents are still doing it to get the case approve faster. Insurance is always cash before cover. No cash no cover, simple as that.

FYI, PruBSN has started (since last year) e-policy document therefore if you had opted for e-policy, the hard copy policy book will not be given. Instead it can be downloaded off PruBSN Touch Online Portal.

You can register for the PruBSN Touch (after 5 working days upon policy acceptance) to view your policy details PruBSN Touch Registration/Login

For PruBSN payment related -> PruBSN E-Payment

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post Mar 10 2019, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(dgg_123 @ Mar 10 2019, 12:19 PM)
I am not too worried about the renewability, to be honest. I'm just double checking on it, because they told me its "subject to yearly review", despite the policy contract states that its "renewable at option of the insured."

What concerns me is more on the alteration and portfolio withdrawal condition.

Why general insurance? Well reason is pretty simple - price competitiveness. Especially at old age - I am actually buying this for my parents. The premium offered by life insurance companies were simply too high to afford.
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Subject to yearly review means if health is affected, bluntly, if they have a heart block or even a simple calcification, on the next renewal will the policy be declined? Did you ask them that way? I still opine this should be your main concern when it comes to renew ability.

As for the portfolio withdrawal, that should be your least concern as even though the product has been withdrawn, the cover will run until the end of the term.

Alteration clause - Whenever a change of the policy contract is needed, it needs BNM approval and any lopsided contract that only favors the insurer will be reviewed thoroughly. A contract cannot be one sided and must be beneficial to both parties, otherwise it is known as a CONtract. yawn.gif

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post Mar 21 2019, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Mar 20 2019, 10:15 PM)
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post Aug 22 2019, 02:18 AM

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QUOTE(beyinbe @ Aug 20 2019, 12:57 PM)
1) Went to specialist with referral letter from clinic, ask to do scope
2) Admitted around 9:30AM, my operation (endoscropy) is scheduled at 1PM
3) Nurse asked if I want to do blood test/ultrasound first even though my insurance haven't give approval yet
4) Checked with agent, he said once admitted, blood test/ultrasound are covered - so I proceed
5) Around 12PM, staff told me insurance only give "Non Guarantee" status and that I have to pay myself first. So I contacted my agent and he checked with Allianz. Apparently scope is considered "investigative nature", I can only claim if I'm getting surgery later. I also won't be able to claim if there's nothing found during the procedure.
6) The staff did ask if I still want to proceed, which I did because I was already changed into hospital gown and already came this far (been suffering since May, just want to get it over with).

So yes in a way the agent did inform me that it's not claimable if no surgery, but I still think it's a bit too late.
Then again, gastric problems are most likely healed thru meds/probiotics so anyhow I won't get to claim too even if something was found during the scope, since no surgeries will be involved?

I attach screenshot from the policy what I think is related to my case

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1. What was the symptom that you were having that the clinic Dr refer you to see a specialist?

2. How long ago did you took up the medical insurance?

For your info, scope is not considered as "investigative nature" as you can't do scope at home. It has to be done at a hospital.

Furthermore, it is not necessary that a surgery is done after the scope. At times, just the medication is sufficient to settle the issue, eg gastritis.
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post Aug 22 2019, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(beyinbe @ Aug 22 2019, 11:09 AM)
1) The clinic doctor wrote gastritis in the referral letter
2) I signed up last year mid Sept

Ah I see, my scope diagnosis was non-ulcer dyspepsia and doctor gave me some medicines, next appointment in 2 weeks
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Then keep all the receipts, reports and submit for claim to the insurer later.
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post Sep 20 2019, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ Sep 19 2019, 05:20 PM)
Is it possible to change our handling agent? Just found out that my agent is no longer doing insurance. Scared later if I run into any issues down the road. I am under PruBSN
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Yes you can change the servicing agent of your choice.
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post Sep 20 2019, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(spikey2506 @ Sep 20 2019, 06:47 AM)
How do I do it? Need to go to tge branch or just let the new agent handle everything?
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Let the new agent to do it
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post Dec 10 2019, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Dec 5 2019, 04:31 PM)
Those who bought the prulink policy earlier are taken for a ride if not offered for extender to have similar benefits (eg coinsure, lifetime limit, etc) as the newer policy? Any ground for appeal?
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The PruLink One and the PruWith You policies even though both are ILP, they work a bit differently. If you wish to know the technicalities do get in touch with your agent.

Anyway yes you are able to upgrade the medical cover by doing a medical transfer from the PruLink One policy to the PruWith You.

There will be no waiting period (eg 120 days) if your old policy has surpassed the initial waiting period if it is done via medical transfer.
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post Dec 12 2019, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Dec 12 2019, 06:32 AM)
Thanks for the response. Would the cash value from prulink one/pru value med be transferred to the new policy or forfeited?
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The cash value will remain in the PruLink One.
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post Mar 8 2020, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(kazekage_09 @ Mar 7 2020, 05:21 PM)
Hi can anyone enlighten me on the concept of deductible?

For example number 1:

Med Card A : annual limit 50K
Med Card B: annual limit 1.2M with 20k deductible

Mr A hospitalized and the total bills comes RM 150k. If Mr A use Med Card A first, the first 50k bills will be paid by Med Card A and the remaining RM100k balance will be covered by Med Card B but Med Card B will only approved for RM80k only and RM20k Mr A must pay in cash. Is my understanding right?
If Mr A use Med Card B first can he claim the 20k deductible from Med Card A since the limit not burst yet?
For second example, let say:

Med Card C: annual limit 20k
Med Card D: annual limit 100k with 5k deductible.

Mr B hospitalized and total bills comes RM 7k. No problem for using Med Card C since it will fully covered.
But can he use Med Card D and claim the first 5k from Med Card C?
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Since the 1st card is already over the rm20k, the second card will pay in full.

Unless the 1st card had ceast (due to the annual/lifetime limit/term had been exhausted) then the client will need to fork out the rm20k themselves.

To some people, standing by a Rm20k for a medical emergency that may or may not happen is just small change.

Additionally it is also worth to compare getting a Rm20k deductible vs a full claim plan as the insurance plan premium will need to be serviced for as long as you want the coverage.

At age 75 to 80, the medical plans insurance charges for a full claim plan can be as high as Rm15k per year!

A rm20k deductible plan at age 60 may only cost rm3++ per mth as compared to Rm600 (or more), depending on the sustainability of the policy.

For elderly over the age of 60, do a comparison on the premium saved for 30 years and you may be surprised that having to standby the Rm20k is nothing.

Just a food for thought...
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post Mar 8 2020, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(wayton @ Mar 8 2020, 05:13 PM)
Why want to buy so many medical insurances.

In theory, yes, claim A, then rest claim B, and another rest claim C.

In reality, you may have lot of troublesome to claim them due to paperwork and procedures in the process of claiming.
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It is not difficult to claim from more than one medical card as it is very common to do so.

Eg some company insurance covers for technician level can only claim up to rm20k per year, balance is from their personal
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