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post Apr 5 2019, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(simonhtz @ Apr 5 2019, 05:51 PM)
Guys,

I got the following from GE for my medical card policy:

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The other FAQ page didn’t seem to say that my policy will lapse if I don’t pay.

Some background on the policy:
- started 2007, paying RM150 per month
- have been paying for 12 years
- protection I’m paying for: RM100,000 med card and 100,000. I think the amount is shared.

I do not want to increase the premium, am I still eligible from protection? Owing to the fact that I have already paid well over 20k for the pass 12 years.
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post Apr 5 2019, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Apr 5 2019, 06:19 PM)
I was told by an Allianz insurance agent that ILP is always cheaper than a standalone medical plan + add ones (or is the term riders?), something like 2x more expensive..

Doesn't make sense to me as from my understanding about ILP, you are paying a higher premium (compared to non ILP) for the investment portion.

P/S: Any AIA agent here? Feel free to PM me. Other agents are welcomed too!
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hi bro, I PM you now.
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QUOTE(simonhtz @ Apr 5 2019, 06:22 PM)
The product name that I acquired is not listed in the letter. Did some digging through my old GE statement, this is the product name:

Great ProtectLink Insurance
IL-health protector
Critical Illness Benefit
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Hi bro, I PM you.
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post Apr 8 2019, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Apr 8 2019, 08:21 PM)
hi, i had earlier requested for information / help / quotation on medical insurance.....

i'm confused between GE and AIA

GE
- show the premium forecast, and how it escalates sharply as your reach 60+ / 70+ yo...

AIA
- they tell me that it won't increase much, and at most maybe another 10% to 15% but nothing in b/w.

i'm sorry for being so ambiguous but i'm trying to understand if AIA is really so kind to keep premium increase at a minimum 20 years down the road comapred to GE or did i miss something....

appreciate any comments...don't want surprises 20 years later....tks
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All company will increase their price for the standalone medical card because more and more people will move out from standalone plan to a better invested link plan. Therefore, every few years they will increase prices, and actually AIA, Allianz, etc will increase price within this few months.
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QUOTE(billyboy @ Apr 8 2019, 08:36 PM)
tks honeydewboy for the feedback

can i ask you what do you do for your own personal medical protection ? 

hope to learn from you first !
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myself are taking SPEI2 from Great Eastern with RM150 R&B, and monthly are paying RM 200. The main concern of having investedlink insurance are the cash value inside actually. nor matter how cheap is the plan, without the cash value inside will causes me having hard time to pay in future.
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post Apr 10 2019, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Apr 10 2019, 01:20 AM)
What sort of insurance can I and should get if I am a 23 year old Male non-smoker, with a premium of maybe around RM200-250 per month? It was mentioned to cover a medical card first and then life and critical illness?
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its depend on what you need actually. and whats your job ?
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post Apr 10 2019, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Apr 10 2019, 01:20 PM)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-...-remission.html

Which insurance company would cover experimental treatments such as the above? Just curious..
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I don't think any Insurance Company in Malaysia will cover experimental treatments because it's not a confirm treatments that can cure sickness.
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post Apr 11 2019, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(neverfap @ Apr 10 2019, 09:57 PM)
Hi! smile.gif
Currently I have 2 plans, SMART LEGACY and SMARTPROTECT ESSENTIAL INSURANCE 2 from Great Eastern.
May I know if this is a bit redundant? and if it is, where and how should I change the plan?

Here's my brief intro,
25 y.o. male, single. Parents is in their 50s. Mom still working (gov servant) and dad retired and 1 sis (studying). The monthly premium is between 10 to 15% of my monthly salary.

I tried to consult with my agent/planner, but he keep on pushing new plan to me saying i need more protection  @@

Hopefully the sifus here can help!

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Smart legacy is life insurance and meanwhile smartprotect essential insurance 2 is mostly medical card. What you want to change in the plan?
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post Apr 11 2019, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(pravred @ Apr 10 2019, 08:12 PM)
Dear sifus I read a few pages here as well as product brochures and still can't make up my mind which insurance suits me.

1. i'm a 29 year old male still single and sole breadwinner. Only kid for my aged parents 68 and 64
2. Non-smoker
3. Looking at a long term plan with investment benefits.

I have not met any insurance agent or looked up for insurance till today so I may not have the best idea. Looking forward for some advise and preferably a plan I should consider at my age.

Thank you,
Praveen
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Hey pravred, just wondering what is your occupation?
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post Apr 11 2019, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(pravred @ Apr 11 2019, 01:31 PM)
Hi HoNeYdEwBoY, I'm an Equipment Engineer
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Will you expose to a lot of machinery ?
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post Apr 12 2019, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Apr 12 2019, 02:47 AM)
Yup my workplace does provide insurance, it is by AIA.
Its AIA Plan 150 and has personal accident plus term life. Term Life covers about RM100k and Personal Accident about RM150k. However if I am not mistaken it only actively covers when it occurs during 'work hours'.

I do not ride a bike, I drive a car to work. No known critical illness history in my family, be it father or mother side.

My job is a consultant.

I am still not sure about the regular insurance (non-investment) compared to the investment-linked ones because I always thought insurance main purpose is to mitigate risk rather than seeking investment returns.
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You don't take investment-linked insurance plan (ILP) as an actual "investment". The actual benefit of ILP is to handle future increment of insurance charges thus see what I posted before this.

QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Apr 8 2019, 08:49 PM)
myself are taking SPEI2 from Great Eastern with RM150 R&B, and monthly are paying RM 200. The main concern of having investedlink insurance are the cash value inside actually. nor matter how cheap is the plan, without the cash value inside will causes me having hard time to pay in future.
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post Apr 12 2019, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Apr 12 2019, 10:44 AM)
hmm.gif ever made the comparison by calculation?

assuming "everything" is the same, except the premium....

getting the non ilp and putting the differences of premium into a 6% pa vehicle, then getting that accumulated saving + % returns to pay for the cost differences of the premium increases in future.....
in the end, will it generate more "saving" than that similar ILP product?
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Non ILP plan aka standalone alone medical card are most likely has increment in price from time to time. Therefore, you might pay even more in future. I will try roughly make a comparison table for everyone, but please don't refer to it at 100%.
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post Apr 14 2019, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Apr 14 2019, 04:28 PM)
I see. I mean I would assume if you die it would usually be accidents no? Non-accident I am assuming things like terminal cancer, someone kills you (which I think its not an accident? LOL), killed while doing dangerous activities, etc...

For ILP is it cheaper compared to traditional stand-alone if ILP has multiple bundles? Or is that not true? Generally the premium for ILP will be higher compared to traditional but if you do combo/bundle for ILP it is cheaper because of discounts given?
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ILP is cheaper in the long run because even so insurance charges increase the "cash value" inside the ILP mostly can cover up it compare to stand-alone, it has no cash value or additional add on; eg: Critical Illness with Early Payout (Great Eastern). Mostly standalone medical card cannot add on a lot of stuff one, usually you need to take ILP only can have such privilege to add on more.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 14 2019, 05:49 PM)
hmm.gif must have completed the comparison table to enable below comment.....(mind showing the table?...interested to find the truth)
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This is base on 25 years old male, non smoking. Take this as reference, different company has different price increment. I just roughly do a simple comparison chart, and there's actually a lot of other factors will take in count on this.


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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Apr 14 2019, 06:55 PM)
Had a further look at my company group insurance, it is as follow:

Personal Accident: RM150k
Term Life: RM100k
Basic Group Health Plan:
Room & Board - RM150
Basic Group Health Plan Limit (per disability) - RM18000

Supplementary Major Medical Benefits:
Overall Limit - RM30000
80% eligible expense if over limit (If I did not read this wrongly)

The group health plan I would presume is actually the medical card, which I feel the coverage is not exactly great isn't it?
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Group insurance usually share among others with the limit, this one you need to clarify with your HR department. Nowadays medical limit are usually recommend up to 1M limit one.
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Apr 14 2019, 08:06 PM)
thanks for the data.....my neighbour made a query.....
can confirm the maths?

if the true variance is just 20k.....then the ILP is not as 'untung" as stand alone????
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ei my bad on my maths doh.gif doh.gif

ILP is good because it has cash value inside and there are extra rider like "Waiver" which standalone medical card doesn't have.
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post Apr 14 2019, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Apr 14 2019, 08:42 PM)
Wait lemme understand more,

If I buy three standalones (Medical Card - Life Insurance - Critical Illness), it has a higher total premium than an ILP (with all three combined) only after 20 years?

In the excel you have shared, I see the ILP costs more for the first 20 years and then the standalone one will cost more after that. (This is assuming the generated returns from the ILP covers the increase in premium)?

But in your excel (Non-ILP) the medical card is only a medical card, without the addition of Life Insurance and Critical Illness. If the standalone were to consist of all three (Medical - LI - CI), would it still be lower in premium compared to ILP from the beginning?
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If you calculate like that, standalone will be way cheaper than ILP. However, the main point of having ILP will be the additional riders on it and in a long run *touch wood* if you terkena TPD or CI then your "Waiver" rider can kick in then you don't need to pay rest of your life. The second scenario will be, if you having a standalone medical card and you forget to pay the premium or you have insufficient money to pay; which will cause your policy to be dismissed upon the payment date. But if you having ILP which has cash value in it, that will sustain the plan until you make the next payment and of course there will be a lapse date you need take note on.

Example of plan (Standalone):
Great Medic Extra 150
Premium - RM 878 (Only can pay half yearly or yearly)
Room & Board - RM 150
Medical Limit - 990K (Include rider)
Overall Lifetime Limit - No limit
Accidental Death Benefit - RM 10,000

Smart Legacy
Premium - RM 300 per month (A year RM 3600)
Sum Assured - RM 500,000

Additional Riders:
Critical Illness - RM 200,000 (Depending, can be adjust)
Waiver - (TPD/CI)

Example of plan (ILP):
SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2
Premium - RM 200 per month (A year RM 2400)
Sum Assured - RM 12,000 (Minimum, can be adjust)

Additional Riders:
Critical Illness - RM 12,000 (Minimum, can be adjust)
Critical Illness Smart Early Pay Out - (Depending on how much)
Lady Illnesses
Waiver - (TPD/CI)
Hospitalisation Income Benefit
Accident Benefit

Smart Legacy
Premium - RM 300 per month (A year RM 3600)
Sum Assured - RM 500,000

Additional Riders:
Critical Illness - RM 200,000 (Depending, can be adjust)
Waiver - (TPD/CI)




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QUOTE(attentional @ Apr 15 2019, 01:23 AM)
Any prudential insurance agent here? This is the package my wife sign up to insure my kid from birth. Is it too much? I'm paying RM188 per month.

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The question is, how much % of your salary you used to purchase this policy?

P:S: Great Eastern also have this plan starting this Monday. 😜😜

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QUOTE(Rain88 @ Apr 15 2019, 03:19 AM)
Dear sifus, my Prudential agent introduced me a cash value life insurance plan called Pru-wealth. Is it a better plan compared to a conventional term life insurance plan? Any other insurance company selling similar product? 

Thank you,
Rain
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Hi bro, which do you think is very important in life insurance plan; cash value or benefit?
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QUOTE(zest168 @ Apr 15 2019, 12:02 PM)
Hi my colleague would like to increase her Life Cover protection. Any good plans out there to recommend?

Thank you.
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Hi, you can take a look at Great Eastern - Smart Legacy.

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