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post Mar 20 2019, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(imahappyklown @ Mar 20 2019, 09:22 AM)
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difficulty in claims - it is also better to know in case you can't reach your agent, what need to be done. of course best is, contact the appointed agent so that you know who the agent is. at least you know the newly appointed agent is reachable.

for your child lymph node case - i myself have lymph node around the neck area (from left to right). in this case, upon insurance application, you have to declare but since nothing is done, insurance company might exclude certain illness. unless surgery is done to remove lymph node and with medical test on the node that it is no major issue, then it will be fine. my case is lymph node is removed and it is just a bacteria infection, so there is no exclusion for my medical card. so for your case, best to declare upon application and see what is the underwriting result from the company.
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post Mar 20 2019, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(vl319 @ Mar 20 2019, 10:05 PM)
Need advise to buy medical, CI ILP. Currently 37yo. Non smoker. Looking for higher annual limit and unlimited lifetime limit, 250r&b, cover until 90yo, premium is sustainable until older age.

Any good package to intro?
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so your main criteria will be
1. medical that gives high annual limit, lifetime unlimited, make sure this coverage can run until 90 years old.
2. for CI, you may state a figure, say you want this CI payout to cover how long recuperation period? (3 years, 5 years or x years?)
3. based on Point 2. also, how much you need for basic expenses per month currently.

with this 3 then its easier for us to show you sth. smile.gif
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post Mar 26 2019, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(scriptkiddie44 @ Mar 22 2019, 09:53 PM)
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with the premium paid, the coverage is very good already.

QUOTE(scriptkiddie44 @ Mar 22 2019, 10:08 PM)
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different plan type, different coverage and insurance charges. agent should have explained the difference to you.

QUOTE(scriptkiddie44 @ Mar 22 2019, 10:15 PM)
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yes, you can check the policy sustainability in the policy contract document. with the price you are paying, perhaps policy wont sustain long but i estimate, might covers till 60 y/o or so. check policy contract document ya if you wanna know more.

QUOTE(scriptkiddie44 @ Mar 22 2019, 10:24 PM)
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10% is like a guideline. there is no fix answer to that. most importantly you sort out your cash flow management then it is better to plan from there.
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post Mar 26 2019, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 23 2019, 04:59 PM)
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unit trust funds' price?

QUOTE(kevinkit @ Mar 26 2019, 09:38 AM)
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best is to see what options you have from HLA (able to upgrade from existing plan or not). try to go HLA HQ and ask customer service, they might assign a new agent for you.

quote wise, so long after you discuss with agent and you are comfortable with it, then you may go ahead. it's difficult for us to give you a definite answer on whether the quote is ok or not cz we might not know what you need.

*note: u might wanna add in extra 900K annual limit (premium will be the same), policy still can sustain till 85~90 years old. wink.gif

QUOTE(aspartame @ Mar 26 2019, 11:32 AM)
1. For naming of insurance beneficiaries - if a person nominate wife name only but both perished in accident...and assuming they include the kid/kids names in their will (but the kids are not named as beneficiaries in the policy) - what will happen?
the insurance proceeds will fall under the wife's estate and distribute according to wife's will.
*note: kid(s) are minor or not?


2. If a person name 3 beneficiaries in the policy and he and one of the beneficiary perished together, do the remaining 2 beneficiaries get the whole payout???
assuming all 3 beneficiaries are benefited with 1/3 each. for the scenario stated above, the remaining 2 beneficiaries only get their own 1/3 portion each and the balance 1/3 will fall under the beneficiary's (who perished together) estate .
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post Mar 26 2019, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 26 2019, 05:05 PM)
yes, and then ah, you see, this is how ILP works

you masuk premium

they buy for you (offer price)

then you need to pay for insurance charge

they use bid price?

wah like that my bid-ask spread lose kau kau?
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it works like that

1. you masuk premium
2. insurance charges deducted from premium paid
3. whatever balance is then used to buy of funds units (use bid price, lose on spread, and etc.)

do take note, for your case, best in just buy pure insurance (term, standalone medical). smile.gif

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post Mar 26 2019, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(kevinkit @ Mar 26 2019, 05:25 PM)
laugh.gif TQ very much , its a very helpful advise, I better check what they could do with old policy then only decide and compare. As comparing now with a new quote doesn't do justice to the old policy.
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this will definitely happen. if you are really going to try out other insurance companies, perhaps after 2 years getting a new policy, if only you are very sure that the HLA policies doesn't serve any purpose, you may cash out to fund the new one. else, you can make your existing HLA policy to be a life insurance policies to settle other needs (disability care, mortgage/loan cancellation, etc.)

RM4,200 for the new policy is consider a bit on the high side considering your concern is only the medical plan. you can also plan better if you wanna compare with the standalone medical card. this really need to have a proper think through if you were to make comparison in terms of long term financial planning.
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post Apr 2 2019, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(YH1234 @ Apr 2 2019, 10:36 AM)
i thot insurance return are supposed to be slightly higher than fd? but is it the case in the last 10 to 20 years?
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funds return in general more or less 5%, but since there are insurance elements in it, there are insurance charges which will be deducted from whatever cash value you have in the policy.
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post Apr 16 2019, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Rain88 @ Apr 15 2019, 01:19 AM)
Dear sifus, my Prudential agent introduced me a cash value life insurance plan called Pru-wealth. Is it a better plan compared to a conventional term life insurance plan? Any other insurance company selling similar product? 

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Rain
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do you buy because of the cash value or because of the life insurance? if u buy because of cash value, then you might be disappointed. if you buy because of the life insurance then yes that is a good plan. buying intention is very important so you make clear decision.
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post Apr 16 2019, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(zest168 @ Apr 15 2019, 10:02 AM)
Hi my colleague would like to increase her Life Cover protection. Any good plans out there to recommend?

Thank you.
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there you go...

AIA A-Life Signature Beyond
Allianz PremierLink
Great Eastern Smart Legacy
Prudential PRUWealth

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post May 8 2019, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ May 4 2019, 12:19 AM)
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put premium aside first, look at what you need.

1) need medical insurance to back up medical expenses?
2) want insurance to provide you your living expenses say if you lose the ability to work?
3) what about if diagnosed with one of the critical illnesses, whats the back up plan?

since you are not paying for any insurance now, might also wanna see whether how you wanna plan for personal tax relief?

QUOTE(-kytz- @ May 5 2019, 05:17 PM)
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if that is a very new treatment which is not available in Malaysia, highly likely it wont be covered. that's just my guess though knowing that medical plan doesnt cover those new tech treatment. for AIA Life Signature Beyond, it is not a medical plan but yea it does have the extra benefit that reimburse overseas treatment for CI. I saw the fine print stated "only first CI claimed is covered". not sure what it really means though. the details really need to read through the policy contract. brochures are just too brief.

QUOTE(MUM @ May 5 2019, 06:07 PM)
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even with GL, also need to have enough cash to back up. go SG for treatment, it is more to a affordable choice, really cannot rely 100% on insurance if really seek for alternative treatment in overseas. with insurance or not, always plan to have ready cash for emergency purpose like this (even though treatment in overseas is a lot, but better plan than never).
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post May 24 2019, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(Jaschong @ May 20 2019, 01:18 AM)
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tax relief for YA2019 is Life Insurance 3000, Medical Insurance 3000. You want to max out the tax relief?

for insurance planning, with your age and assuming you wanna max out the tax relief, you can get a very comprehensive plan already. have to further discuss your needs to know what coverage amount suits you.

QUOTE(silverviolet @ May 21 2019, 06:15 PM)
Is PA insurance covering Rm 200k for Rm 250 a year a good deal?
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yeap. consider a good deal to me.

QUOTE(neverfap @ May 21 2019, 11:15 PM)
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recommend to add in (top up) into your existing policy and remove whatever you dont want in your existing policy. that is the cheapest option in my opinion.
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post May 24 2019, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(ratloverice @ May 22 2019, 01:00 AM)
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putting the premium aside first, if the coverage quoted is what you need (meaning to say agent already calculated for you), then i think it is good for you. cant give too much input as dont have much details.

QUOTE(Vintage_X @ May 22 2019, 05:39 PM)
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estimating at 300-ish a month.

QUOTE(#Victor @ May 24 2019, 11:23 AM)
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for long term planning, most medical insurance offers 1 million per year limit. guess you can start from here. buying direct from insurance provider might (varies) save you around 25%-30% perhaps? only drawback is like what you mentioned, you service yourself. biggrin.gif
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post May 25 2019, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(stevencjh @ May 24 2019, 04:44 PM)
May i ask is there difference for medical card for prudential and AIA until certain age? For prudential, the agent told me MAX cover until age 85 but AIA can cover until MAX age 100 for the same premium amount. The prudential agent told every company should be the same and maybe AIA agent is not telling the truth. Just wanna know the truth.
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coverage term is up until 100 for medical insurance. question is can your policy cash value sustain until 100 years old, this is one of the concerns you may want to look into. to me, policy sustainability up until 80 years old is actually consider very good already.
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post May 28 2019, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(stevencjh @ May 25 2019, 07:00 PM)
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AFAIK the default proposal from AIA is up until 80 years old policy sustainability.

QUOTE(-kytz- @ May 27 2019, 06:58 PM)
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replied in bold. will personally think that among this 3, im more confident to go for Allianz one. smile.gif

QUOTE(christeen @ May 28 2019, 01:49 AM)
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those are life insurance plan, no major differences among each other (maybe each have their own extra minor benefits). Premium wise I cannot determine for you but should be more or less the same.
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post Jun 4 2019, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(matyrze @ Jun 2 2019, 11:16 AM)
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i got the quotation of this. it is cheap because

1. term life insurance
2. insurance premium will increase by age

if you proceed to the final quotation, at the age of 50+ the monthly premium will be RM300+/month. still it is a good plan. just need to do proper financial planning before getting it.

QUOTE(Fak3-1234 @ Jun 3 2019, 03:25 PM)
is it recommend to buy medical insurance online?
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if you are ok with no agent servicing you, then yes. can check out latest AXA medical card application online.
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post Jun 10 2019, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(soul_fighter @ Jun 5 2019, 02:36 PM)
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PROS: you do not need to worry about your insurance premium should TPD/CI occurs. (you can also plan this the other way round which is factored all insurance premium that you are paying, should TPD/CI occurs, the payout can also covers your insurance premiums for x number of years - need proper financial planning for this).

CONS: since 'waiver of premium' is a benefit, you are actually paying extra for it (won't cost you a bomb though).

QUOTE(SureshG @ Jun 7 2019, 05:02 PM)
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feel free to pm me if you need any help smile.gif if the plan is too old, the only option is to purchase new plan that provide medical card up to 99 years old. just to be frank, so long can plan until 85 years old is good enough because the premium to sustain until 99 years old costs a lot.

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replied in bolded blue wink.gif

QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Jun 9 2019, 04:21 PM)
I'm just calculating whether it's better to add on some riders to the insurance to reach the amount for tax relief of 3000 per year. As of now it's below the monthly amount to reach 250. Is it more worth persay?
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do take note that by paying RM3000 yearly doesnt mean that you will be entitled to claim medical insurance tax relief of 3000. a small portion of the 3000 will go to life insurance and other benefits say TPD waiver of premium. for YA2019 tax relief, you can also look into 3000 life insurance tax relief too.

QUOTE(lonelyPotato @ Jun 10 2019, 03:39 PM)
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what's your occupation? assuming you occupation is a Class 1, premium will be less than 1k for a million limit.

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post Jun 13 2019, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(hioniq @ Jun 12 2019, 09:26 PM)
My current premium is rm200/month for the great Eastern investment link insurance. Now I want to top up the premium from 200 to 250 but my policy already more than 7 years i.e. the premium allocation rate is 100% that all rm200 will be used to buy new units. So will it reset the allocation rate when I top up the premium? Or it start the new allocation rate just for the top up amount rm50?
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only the top up RM50 will be subjected to the new allocation rate that you mentioned here.
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post Jun 17 2019, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(SwarmTroll @ Jun 15 2019, 11:00 AM)
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medical benefit is consider good. so long you know the estimated sustainability for the policy then you are good to go.

QUOTE(ubeyou @ Jun 16 2019, 12:50 PM)
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policyowner is your parent right? if yes, then need the policy to be assigned back to you for you to entitle tax relief for yourself.
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post Jun 18 2019, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(ubeyou @ Jun 17 2019, 05:32 PM)
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only the policy owner can claim tax relief. check whether the policy owner is you or not in the statement. in company's view, policy owner is the one paying the premium.

QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Jun 17 2019, 06:11 PM)
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did you notice the premium increment in the payment slip before you go to make payment? have to check the details of the payment slip. and also did she mentioned anything about the premium change or did you ask the her about it?



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post Jun 20 2019, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(hammerjit @ Jun 18 2019, 12:24 PM)
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if you can cover every first 20k of the bill, then i see no issue on it. so long you know what coverage you are getting for.
PRULink Asia Managed Fund. What do you mean by "being quoted prulink asia managed fund"? basically it is a purchase of unit trust funds from Prudential. Can't comment much on that because it still depends on your investment planning towards your own financial goal.

QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Jun 18 2019, 02:16 PM)
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if can, check and see is there any changes in the plan benefits after the premium increment.

QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Jun 18 2019, 02:27 PM)
So the amount you end up paying for ilp and standalone medical plan are about the same?
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not really. its very subjective to determine like that.

QUOTE(River @ Jun 19 2019, 02:04 PM)
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what is the exact clause about the exclusion? there must be a full clause for it.

QUOTE(Red_rustyjelly @ Jun 19 2019, 02:04 PM)
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life insurance is kinda straightforward. more or less the same for every company.


QUOTE(AntiScam @ Jun 20 2019, 12:01 PM)
Anyone knows about Great Eastern Great Flexi Plus? Can share some on the pros and cons?
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if you already have your own system of forced savings, then its better to ignore this plan. laugh.gif

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