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whatsis
post Apr 26 2023, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Apr 26 2023, 03:49 PM)
it's not about your mother/mom's phone creating multiple accounts.

it could be another device(s) were used to login your mom's grab account, hence her account being flagged.

think back, did she/you attempted to login using other device after found out the app already logged out?
no point dwelling the issue here (will never end) as only you can dispute this with Grab to uplift the suspension.

just follow their instruction by filling the dispute form.
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No, and no.

If other device want to login to her grab account will receive SMS OTP on her own phone right for verification before can even log in...?

So no, nobody attempted to login to her account as well.

and that was my point: how to contact grab CS in a faster non time wasting way.

You are the one who theory crafting why this why that (btw you work for grab issit, defending them so hard? grab is some saint company that doesnt make mistake? i search for account suspend in this very thread also can see others who got suspended and then unsuspended later on, seemingly having done nothing wrong either).

I dont need your troubleshooting as I already got the reason from them on why the account was suspended.

I know it is bullshit cause the reason they gave is highly unlikely that's why i want to speak to them to get more clarification regarding this. Because being suspended for up to FIVE days for them to investigate whatever tf is going on is hurting their own customer who did not do anything wrong. Furthermore, said customer have vouchers expiring in few days time. If unable to use on time and when account finally unsuspended i want to ask will they compensate all those or not. That is the reason i want to contact CS.


inb4 you go do even more mental gymnastics to come up with a theory on why so and so happened.
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post Apr 26 2023, 04:04 PM

 
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 26 2023, 03:59 PM)
Because she have the option to logged out the account before updating it 🤦‍♀️

So it is both sides have to tango to make such reponsibikty on this problem
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This is non sense. There's no need to logout the account before updating the apps.

And in case you missed it, his mom's grab app was stuck and that's why she update it. How to logout if the app was stuck?

This post has been edited by poweredbydiscuz: Apr 26 2023, 04:06 PM
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post Apr 26 2023, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 26 2023, 04:04 PM)
This is non sense. There's no need to logout the account before updating the apps.
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Not nonsense if you are not thinking about account security 🤦‍♀️

Try doing on that on banking apps and you will see how you will get phished 🤦‍♀️
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post Apr 26 2023, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 26 2023, 04:04 PM)
This is non sense. There's no need to logout the account before updating the apps.

And in case you missed it, his mom's grab app was stuck and that's why she update it. How to logout if the app was stuck?
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Even if stuck she can get refresh and restart the app 1st then logout
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 26 2023, 04:06 PM)
Not nonsense if you are not thinking about account security 🤦‍♀️

Try doing on that on banking apps and you will see how you will get phished 🤦‍♀️
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Been doing so for ages. Non sense.
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post Apr 26 2023, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 26 2023, 04:07 PM)
Been doing so for ages. Non sense.
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Good luck when you phished in the future 👏

Doing it in ages doesn’t mean foolproof because tech changes very quickly particularly black hat phishing 🤦‍♀️

This post has been edited by xander2k8: Apr 26 2023, 04:09 PM
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post Apr 26 2023, 04:09 PM

 
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 26 2023, 04:07 PM)
Even if stuck she can get refresh and restart the app 1st then logout
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If she can restart the app, then she won't need to update it. Get it?
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post Apr 26 2023, 04:09 PM

 
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 26 2023, 04:08 PM)
Good luck when you phished in the future 👏
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post Apr 26 2023, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 26 2023, 04:09 PM)
If she can restart the app, then she won't need to update it. Get it?
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Last resort is update because she can restart the device as well 1st 🤦‍♀️
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post Apr 26 2023, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(whatsis @ Apr 26 2023, 04:01 PM)
No, and no.

If other device want to login to her grab account will receive SMS OTP on her own phone right for verification before can even log in...?

So no, nobody attempted to login to her account as well.

and that was my point: how to contact grab CS in a faster non time wasting way.

You are the one who theory crafting why this why that (btw you work for grab issit, defending them so hard? grab is some saint company that doesnt make mistake? i search for account suspend in this very thread also can see others who got suspended and then unsuspended later on, seemingly having done nothing wrong either).

I dont need your troubleshooting as I already got the reason from them on why the account was suspended.

I know it is bullshit cause the reason they gave is highly unlikely that's why i want to speak to them to get more clarification regarding this. Because being suspended for up to FIVE days for them to investigate whatever tf is going on is hurting their own customer who did not do anything wrong. Furthermore, said customer have vouchers expiring in few days time. If unable to use on time and when account finally unsuspended i want to ask will they compensate all those or not. That is the reason i want to contact CS.
inb4 you go do even more mental gymnastics to come up with a theory on why so and so happened.
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post Apr 26 2023, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 26 2023, 04:06 PM)
Not nonsense if you are not thinking about account security 🤦‍♀️

Try doing on that on banking apps and you will see how you will get phished 🤦‍♀️
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I really don't think you should be spreading misinformation like this.

There are only two parties here: the user and apple's or google's official app store. Your account info is not likely to be phished when you update your apps through the official store, regardless if you are logged into the app or not.
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post Apr 26 2023, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Apr 26 2023, 05:22 PM)
I really don't think you should be spreading misinformation like this.

There are only two parties here: the user and apple's or google's official app store. Your account info is not likely to be phished when you update your apps through the official store, regardless if you are logged into the app or not.
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If the user update through non official means or using non authorised apk it can be phished easily as it has already been proven already 🤦‍♀️ and it is not misinformation as it is proven fact otherwise why would certains apps use OTC to authenticate transactions 🤦‍♀️

That is why you logged out after you use your account particularly with those which financially sensitive which is why some apps will have either log out or timeout on the app itself 🤦‍♀️
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post Apr 26 2023, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 26 2023, 05:47 PM)
If the user update through non official means or using non authorised apk it can be phished easily as it has already been proven already 🤦‍♀️ and it is not misinformation as it is proven fact otherwise why would certains apps use OTC to authenticate transactions 🤦‍♀️

That is why you logged out after you use your account particularly with those which financially sensitive which is why some apps will have either log out or timeout on the app itself 🤦‍♀️
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He already mentioned the user went through the playstore. for official playstore or official repos, this is usually what happens in an update:

1) checks whether any new packages present
2) downloads from the repositories (in this case the playstore)
3) verifies the checksum of the downloaded package
4) writes over the changed files, user configuration files may or may not be overwritten

All this is done on the phone. In a normal update process, it doesn't send user info out from the phone. (edit: beyond general stuff like OS versions, compatibility etc)

Any data breach for a tampered installation file will usually happen after installation, when the user next logs in and uses the app.

TLDR: it really doesn't matter if you sign out or not before you update your apps.

This post has been edited by loserguy: Apr 26 2023, 05:59 PM
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post Apr 26 2023, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Apr 26 2023, 05:57 PM)
He already mentioned the user went through the playstore. for official playstore or official repos, this is usually what happens in an update:

1) checks whether any new packages present
2) downloads from the repositories (in this case the playstore)
3) verifies the checksum of the downloaded package
4) writes over the changed files, user configuration files may or may not be overwritten

All this is done on the phone. In a normal update process, it doesn't send user info out from the phone. (edit: beyond general stuff like OS versions, compatibility etc)

Any data breach for a tampered installation file will usually happen after installation, when the user next logs in and uses the app.

TLDR: it really doesn't matter if you sign out or not before you update your apps.
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Do you know when you update the app itself there is background program which are collecting the data including your app account information 🤦‍♀️ Uber has done before way back during its Greyball days 🤦‍♀️ So don’t think that official apps updates is not possible when it happens before countless times
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post Apr 26 2023, 06:08 PM

 
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 26 2023, 06:04 PM)
Do you know when you update the app itself there is background program which are collecting the data including your app account information 🤦‍♀️ Uber has done before way back during its Greyball days 🤦‍♀️ So don’t think that official apps updates is not possible when it happens before countless times
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You mean the official app itself is collecting your data? That's shocking!
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post Apr 26 2023, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 26 2023, 06:08 PM)
You mean the official app itself is collecting your data? That's shocking!
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Why you don’t think Apple have an option for not allowing apps to track you 🤦‍♀️
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post Apr 26 2023, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 26 2023, 06:04 PM)
Do you know when you update the app itself there is background program which are collecting the data including your app account information 🤦‍♀️ Uber has done before way back during its Greyball days 🤦‍♀️ So don’t think that official apps updates is not possible when it happens before countless times
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What I am saying is, the update process just copies files from the repository. It makes sure that the file is the correct one and the repository is the correct one. Phishing does not occur here. The repository may collect some data like how many times a package is downloaded for the usage statistics. That is visible from their end. For google, they may collect info about which apps you download as well so that they can tie it to your account.

Your account log in info is usually not available to the app developers during the update. They only see it, if they choose to, when the app runs.

If you download the program it means you implicitly already trust the program when you log in right?
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post Apr 26 2023, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Apr 26 2023, 06:11 PM)
What I am saying is, the update process just copies files from the repository. It makes sure that the file is the correct one and the repository is the correct one. Phishing does not occur here. The repository may collect some data like how many times a package is  downloaded for the usage statistics. That is visible from their end. For google, they may collect info about which apps you download as well so that they can tie it to your account.

Your account log in info is usually not available to the app developers during the update. They only see it, if they choose to, when the app runs.

If you download the program it means you implicitly already trust the program when you log in right?
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Technically correct if the updates according to proper rules and regulations

But if most who doesn’t bother to read it has small prints of giving the option to app developers to do anything about data collection discreetly at their own terms
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post Apr 26 2023, 06:19 PM

 
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 26 2023, 06:11 PM)
Why you don’t think Apple have an option for not allowing apps to track you 🤦‍♀️
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So if we do what you told us - logout, update, then login again, the official app developer won't get our data lo? Omg you are genius!

OK la I'll stop here, sorry everyone for derailing this grab tered.
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post Apr 26 2023, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 26 2023, 06:19 PM)
So if we do what you told us - logout, update, then login again, the official app developer won't get our data lo? Omg you are genius!

OK la I'll stop here, sorry everyone for derailing this grab tered.
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They are not getting actively data collecting unless they are pushing to it 🤦‍♀️

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