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post Jun 10 2007, 08:28 AM, updated 19y ago

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I've been waiting for this event since last year WWDC 2006!
What I gotta say, time is passing really fast and now, I believe this would be the greatest event... iPhone, Leopard Top secret, new hardware....

I personally bookmarked two Live Keynote website:
Gizdomo WWDC07
Macrumor Live

I aint own any of the Apple product, but I'm totally obsessed to them, esp Macbook Pro. Always observing the upgrade, and this certainly the best ever! haha...
but i got no money... well, eventually... eventually, hopefully end of this year, or maybe when macbooks are come with preloaded leopard... well, leopard is gonna release on November anyway... so, still have time to save couple of dollars...!

we'll see how Job will shock the apple fans again with his "One More Thing"...

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hi kev

try check here

http://mymug.org/forum2/index.php?topic=3420.0

p/s u should have mac ....alot of things u could learn and macbook pro is the best to have , both graphic task and productivity
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If I'm not wrong, the keynote will happen at Tuesday, June 12th at 1a.m. for us Malaysians.

So make sure you guys don't sleep off before that...
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post Jun 10 2007, 11:04 AM

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huh?? 1 a.m. i better sleep

haha.. just wait for the ppl uploadthe keynote to the youtube or somewhere else

and i shall see it the next day~. yoohoo~
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post Jun 10 2007, 11:48 AM

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it's more fun to follow the keynotes live, anxiously reloading the page every 5 seconds even though there's the auto-refresh script running on the coverage pages...hehe...
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post Jun 10 2007, 11:53 AM

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Yes, local time is around 1am on 12th.
Me and the gang will be up lates as usual.
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post Jun 10 2007, 11:57 AM

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me also.. will stay.. like watching Football tongue.gif
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post Jun 10 2007, 12:24 PM

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Maybe you guys should have a group chat while waiting for updates wink.gif been doing that for past few years, it's like an annual event for us. biggrin.gif
I remember once that we even gather at Starbucks and wait for the updates...
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post Jun 10 2007, 01:20 PM

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i've been following apple's special events since i owned a macbook last year....

reloading every 5 seconds is FUN!!!!
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post Jun 10 2007, 01:40 PM

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Haha.. I must say this really sounds weird, a group of people watching a keynote presentation in the middle of the night! Haha..

BUT I'm tempted to join in too!

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post Jun 10 2007, 03:48 PM

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Yeah, Apple fans are a strange lot. Other computer and consumer electronic companies would kill to get fans like Apple's though.

I've done a bit of staying up but unlike in the US, you can't rush down to the neighborhood Apple Store to buy the latest & greatest stuff that was recently announced so it's kinda pointless for me.

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yo yo

I want the new iWork and iLife to be announced smile.gif
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post Jun 10 2007, 05:53 PM

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Can watch Live from http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/appleevents/ ?
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post Jun 10 2007, 06:03 PM

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I don't think there will be "Live" video stream for WWDC 07.
Apple stop doing that since the last few Macworld & WWDC.
What you'll get is delay transcript on iTunes & apple.com
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post Jun 10 2007, 08:54 PM

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You'll be able to download the whole thing from that site like 24h after
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post Jun 10 2007, 08:59 PM

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What is the highlight for this time's WWDC for Apple?

What i know is the latest version of OSX, and the released of MB Pro recently.. what else? iPhone again ah? ><
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post Jun 10 2007, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(uchan @ Jun 10 2007, 08:59 PM)
What is the highlight for this time's WWDC for Apple?

What i know is the latest version of OSX, and the released of MB Pro recently.. what else? iPhone again ah? ><
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post Jun 10 2007, 10:03 PM

 
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Haha... a whole bunch of us watching and waiting for the Keynote sure does sound so geeky tongue.gif
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post Jun 10 2007, 11:39 PM

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Yeah, just like a bunch of football fans watching matches at food stalls during midnights.
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post Jun 11 2007, 01:26 AM

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sorry lah .. watching football is much better.
this one is like those ppl who doesnt have asstro but still need to read those live news on the web ....
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post Jun 11 2007, 07:16 AM

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I'm not a football fan... haha...
it's gonna be 3am in australia, not gonna wait for it...
rather wake up in the next morning, and read everything without any waiting...

but, i doubt if i could sleep on that night... haha


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hi kev

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http://mymug.org/forum2/index.php?topic=3420.0

p/s u should have mac ....alot of things u could learn and macbook pro is the best to have , both graphic task and productivity
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nah, not going to buy a second hand....

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QUOTE(kevin7 @ Jun 11 2007, 07:16 AM)
I'm not a football fan... haha...
it's gonna be 3am in australia, not gonna wait for it...
rather wake up in the next morning, and read everything without any waiting...

but, i doubt if i could sleep on that night... haha
kevin7, whereabouts r u in aussie? I'm in melbourne, and I'm staying up... haha... Got an exam paper on wednesday, I'm most probably gonna stay up to study so I might as well wait for the keynote tongue.gif
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hey... melbourne.. i wanna go there again!
I'm from toowoomba queensland... somewhere near brisbane...

all the best for ur exam... my exam starts from 19 June.. haha


Added on June 11, 2007, 3:30 pmi have just found something... instead of live feed... this is live audio stream!!!

http://www.iphonealley.com/news/wwdc-2007-...ve-audio-stream
WWDC Keynote live feed from Amazon.. (reliable)
hehe... excited!!!! rclxm9.gif

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post Jun 12 2007, 12:53 AM

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wake up everybody wake up!!
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post Jun 12 2007, 12:58 AM

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i woke up adi........waiting...

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post Jun 12 2007, 01:13 AM

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EA comes back to mac.. biggrin.gif C&C3 will be release in july.. Nice 1..
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john carmack talking now... doom, quake for mac maybe?
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post Jun 12 2007, 01:16 AM

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so hw??
u guys watching nw??

keke...it like 15 minutes pass 1 nw..haha
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u go
http://www.macrumorslive.com/

it's text version la.. biggrin.gif

discussing leopard now..
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post Jun 12 2007, 01:33 AM

 
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and then go to engadget for bigger pictures...
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The new Dock in Leopard looks great!!

And it seems like the Bootcamp built into Leopard don't require CD burning of Windows drivers anymore!

I'm really hoping for some improvements to Front Row, there's so much possibilities to it. And also to the Apple Remote, if only Leopard would allow the remote to work flexibly, just imagine if the remote could be programmed to operate the mouse cursor!

thumbup.gif Great joke he made there: Leopard shipping in October. Basic version, $129. Premium version, $129. Business version, $129, Enterprise version $129. Ultimate version, $129 rclxms.gif Take that Microsoft!

This fella is really good, taking Safari to Windows. IE will have some big problems coming.

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did i hear a one more thing???

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okies... no new hardware this time around... leopard features are definitely interesting!

(just wondering, why was the apple store pulled down? maybe minor unannounced revisions for some hardware?)

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post Jun 12 2007, 02:28 AM

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keynote over....no new iMacs......but i would love to have my hands on leopard!


Added on June 12, 2007, 2:28 am
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did i hear a one more thing???

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okies... no new hardware this time around... leopard features are definitely interesting!

(just wondering, why was the apple store pulled down? maybe minor unannounced revisions for some hardware?)
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yeah....wondering that too.....

maybe wanna put leopard's pre order....then "Shiiping in October"


Added on June 12, 2007, 2:32 amall apple stores online....

browsing now to see any changes...hehe

EDIT: was browsing the SG store.....US store still down...

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I was just watching all the new previews of Leopard on Apple's Website, they are just GREAT!! It is definitely the most advanced OS of all time!

Now the question is only if it will work as smooth as the previews. My guess is IT WILL! The previews after all, was showed with a Macbook in it.
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It will, no worries. They wont make something that you cant run on Current hardware.
Your question should be asked by ppl using G4. And very questionable G3...
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QUOTE(wei @ Jun 12 2007, 10:28 AM)
It will, no worries. They wont make something that you cant run on Current hardware.
Your question should be asked by ppl using G4. And very questionable G3...
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Haha, I used to use Windows, and with Windows, it is always like that, they intro a new thing and you will need new hardware at most times, or it will lag like hell...
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dai gor here, plase update us... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

WWDC 2007 Keynote video

and do you all notice the whole layout of apple.com has changed? lol..

me, a little bit can't use to it.. tongue.gif

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Further browsing in the new apple.com I found:
- Leopard Server now appeared.
- In Leopard you can switch between your Bootcamp volumes faster with safe sleep.
- In Leopard FrontRow update to resemble BackRow (aka the aTV version of FrontRow).
- A new DVD player.
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Check out the spotlight search feature in Apple.com

Works just like the spotilght on Macs...
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omg.. i like the new safari 3 search tools.. like spotlight
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the TimeMachine is damn cool
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try use the Spotlight utility in Apple.com website ..upper right ..


aha...that's cools ..like our Mac OS X
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imo, the keynote addresses a disaster to the Apple community actually. Nothing new, the new desktop looks like Vista especially that glass effect which I thought was Steve's joke and the iPhone with no Flash support and no SDK is really bad news for developers.

I don't see any productivity/good on the new Spotlight as what they did is just add effects which by looking at thumbnails makes finding easier and the other features is just regular search.

The TimeMachine quite impressive but what if we were working with multiple 160GB video files?

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Hmm using safari now, definitely is fast but not very used it.
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QUOTE(FoX^ @ Jun 12 2007, 04:21 PM)
Hmm using safari now, definitely is fast but not very used it.
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How come Safari is available for Windows? What's next? iChat and Photo Booth for Windows too? wink.gif The new dock is very nice especially 'Stack', I love that. The rest like iChat/Dashboard/ and Time Machine are impressive. smile.gif
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Guys, when leopard arriving in Malaysia?? Canot wait la... fuyox...

By the way, tiger, leopard came out already.. what's the next animal? Eagle? or Elephant? happy.gif
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I am on Safari for Windows nw, wonder why the Proxies settings are greyed out??
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QUOTE(uchan @ Jun 12 2007, 06:23 PM)
Guys, when leopard arriving in Malaysia?? Canot wait la... fuyox...

By the way, tiger, leopard came out already.. what's the next animal? Eagle? or Elephant? happy.gif
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Btw, you can watch the picture keynote and words here:

WWDC 2007 (Engadget)

Is it true that Leopard will be release in all those Home, Premium, Business and Ultimate Version for only $129 each?
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it is just a joke... vista joke biggrin.gif
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na.... Steve Job was moking at Microsoft... and that was a good one...
basic edition 129, and my fren was.. oh no~
Premium edition 129, and my fren was... wahahahahaha
Business edition 129, and my fren went crazy... well the whole audiences went crazy too...
and ultimate edition 129... hahaa... that was so funny...

Leopard's dekstop is cool.... man... need to work more and save more money!!!!
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Haha, mike, he was just poking fun at Microsoft for providing so many versions of Leopard. There will be only 1 version of Leopard and that will be USD129

On a side note, it was pretty darn boring, the keynote. Most of the features we already know. I don't quite like the translucent menu bar. Looks rather weird...

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actually, the tranparent menu, it remind me of vista... but i think it should be adjustable... hmm... waiting for the report from beta testers...

but.. 300++ new features... and he discussed some of the old one... i think the rest 290 features are not obvious or important then....
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QUOTE(kevin7 @ Jun 12 2007, 07:26 PM)
actually, the tranparent menu, it remind me of vista... but i think it should be adjustable... hmm... waiting for the report from beta testers...

but.. 300++ new features... and he discussed some of the old one... i think the rest 290 features are not obvious or important then....
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I hope there are more key features to leopard that just those tongue.gif steve's probably not mentioning all of em cuz probably doesn't to give M$ a head start copying some of the features in an upcoming service pack(?) hehe honestly, you must agree that it was pretty sad how he had to demonstrate "look and the window reflecting against the dock" lol even on apple.com haha i mean we're talking bout KEY features here.. the the icon preview thing (something like thumbnail view in windows) was a feature i seriously wish OS X had. They brought it in alright- and made it helluva lot better! Very impressive indeed. Ah and stacks is pretty smart alright..

But i dunno ler.. i feel that there are more significant updates in leopard than what has been revealed today. Seriously hope there is..

edit: Ah i know one significant thing Steve definitely left out- Sun's ZFS file system. Sun has officially announced last week that leopard is running on the ZFS format.

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QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Jun 12 2007, 07:15 PM)
Haha, mike, he was just poking fun at Microsoft for providing so many versions of Vista. There will be only 1 version of Leopard and that will be USD129

On a side note, it was pretty darn boring, the keynote. Most of the features we already know. I don't quite like the translucent menu bar. Looks rather weird...
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hehe, now I know. tongue.gif yeah, i don't quite like the top menu bar. so Vista lookalike. I think they should change the default wallpaper to a better one. cool.gif
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QUOTE(nouras @ Jun 12 2007, 09:08 PM)
I hope there are more key features to leopard that just those tongue.gif steve's probably not mentioning all of em cuz probably doesn't to give M$ a head start copying some of the features in an upcoming service pack(?) hehe honestly, you must agree that it was pretty sad how he had to demonstrate "look and the window reflecting against the dock" lol even on apple.com haha i mean we're talking bout KEY features here.. the the icon preview thing (something like thumbnail view in windows) was a feature i seriously wish OS X had. They brought it in alright- and made it helluva lot better! Very impressive indeed. Ah and stacks is pretty smart alright..

But i dunno ler.. i feel that there are more significant updates in leopard than what has been revealed today. Seriously hope there is..

edit:  Ah i know one significant thing Steve definitely left out- Sun's ZFS file system. Sun has officially announced last week that leopard is running on the ZFS format.
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As a matter of fact, the previous leopard beta already use ZFS format, althought Sun didn't announce .. cool.gif
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QUOTE(allvin @ Jun 12 2007, 08:34 PM)
As a matter of fact, the previous leopard beta already use ZFS format, althought Sun didn't announce ..  cool.gif
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http://www.informationweek.com/news/showAr...cleID=199903281

Article claims it's not as told by an Apple official hmm.gif
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QUOTE(jcheong @ Jun 12 2007, 08:38 PM)
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showAr...cleID=199903281

Article claims it's not as told by an Apple official hmm.gif
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At the end of the article it was posted:

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Leopard beta does support ZFS and has done for months. Just to to the Disk Utility -> Erase. The pulldown gives all the usual options plus ZFS, using the full name and acronym. Of course only developers get to see the beta.

Sun hasn't got Solaris to run with ZFS as the boot drive, or at least reliably, so ZFS is only available on non-boot drives on Sun systems, so this is also the case for Leopard.

More interesting than just ZFS drives is RAID-Z. A new form of RAID which uses ZFS and overcomes one of the major problems with RAID, the write hole.


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imo, the keynote addresses a disaster to the Apple community actually. Nothing new, the new desktop looks like Vista especially that glass effect which I thought was Steve's joke and the iPhone with no Flash support and no SDK is really bad news for developers.
If anything I would say Vista looks a lot, if not all, like OSX first whistling.gif

And for the iPhone, it does seems disappointing at first, but as Cnet puts it:-

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1. Opening Safari to Windows is a great move for the development community. Windows developers can now test Web apps for Safari on Windows machines.

2. One of the iPhone's drawing points is that it runs a full browser (albeit one that won't support Java and possibly won't support Flash), and the iPhone hype machine promises an unparalleled browsing experience for a mobile device.

3. Because Safari is the application platform for the iPhone, Safari on Windows creates a much bigger pool of developers for the iPhone than releasing an SDK would. Making any site "iPhone-compatible" will be the hip thing to do, and developing for a touch-screen device could unleash some serious creativity. (Think of the possibilities for porn! Glorious, touch-interactive porn!)

4. Non-native apps also means that iPhone users won't need to download packages or install software. This could be a significant factor for a device that only has 4GB or 8GB of storage (and a lot of songs and videos competing for that space).

5. Web-based apps running on Safari creates no additional security issues for the iPhone. Your iPhone will be as secure as Safari is.

6. Because the apps are Web-based, they are cross-platform by nature. But if you run them on the iPhone, you get a little something extra: a touch-screen interface. During the keynote, VP of iPhone software Scott Forstall mentioned that Web apps will "know" they're running on an iPhone and act accordingly. Java's "write once, run anywhere" mantra may be perfected by the iPhone (ironically, a device that purportedly won't run Java).


From: http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/mobilephones/...62020487,00.htm

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Apparently, there's no ZFS+ for Leopard.
link.

And who said Leopard Beta has ZFS?
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If anything I would say Vista looks a lot, if not all, like OSX first


This is coming from Apple, the company that bashes Windows for copying how this and that looks like on company keynotes.

"Introducing Vista 2.0" I guess they meant that now. laugh.gif

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3. Because Safari is the application platform for the iPhone, Safari on Windows creates a much bigger pool of developers for the iPhone than releasing an SDK would. Making any site "iPhone-compatible" will be the hip thing to do, and developing for a touch-screen device could unleash some serious creativity. (Think of the possibilities for porn! Glorious, touch-interactive porn!)


More like having 300 gadgets which are not considered real applications. Written in AJAX and soft Javascript. Flash and Java also seems to be unsupported which is blocking many possibilities for developers. Could be the case of AT&T limiting it as they don't want some Skype-like application to be developed. Without a SDK that communicates with the OS throughly I don't think there'd be applications that could see the goodness of FLVs, AVI/DIVXs, PDF, etc

2 cents worth.

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OMG lol at the Vista 2.0 image! Funny! And the Business, Premium, Ultimate thingy joke Steve did was awesome!
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ya..... Basic for 129 .... Premium for 129 ...... haha.....a nice 1....

wats more.... no seperate installation for 32 n 64 bits...hahaha...

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QUOTE(seveneleven @ Jun 12 2007, 11:32 PM)
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lol... i have never seen these banners before, what i saw was something like
"Redmond, start your photocopiers".... haha...

yea, i have to agree, vista looks like osx.... well, take a look at this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2C2gb6ws8

that's really funny...
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QUOTE(wei @ Jun 13 2007, 12:06 AM)
Apparently, there's no ZFS+ for Leopard.
link.

And who said Leopard Beta has ZFS?
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according to insanelymac forum, those forumers who test the beta got but it's unbootable.. And now apple announce that leopard will support ZFS but HFS+ still the primary, cos' till now ZFS is still unbootable..
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/13/leopard...-it-does-kinda/
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Yeah, which mean many of us wont be able to make use of it.
Hopefully in the future release of Leopard will have full support.

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Not sure that Leopard can run one Core duo Processor or not.. cause from the WWDC, it stated 64-bit.. but Core Duo is 32bit.
For Core 2 Duo should be no problem..
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Don't worry, like I said before, Apple new OS always have a good record to support older hardwares, at lease 2-3years old.
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QUOTE(siawgu @ Jun 13 2007, 03:23 PM)
Not sure that Leopard can run one Core duo Processor or not.. cause from the WWDC, it stated 64-bit.. but Core Duo is 32bit.
For Core 2 Duo should be no problem..
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Not to worry, it can even run on G4/G5... check out the leopard requirements. A 64-bit processor would fully make use of the 64-bit software architecture, but it doesn't mean older processors won't be able to run it...
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QUOTE(siawgu @ Jun 13 2007, 04:23 PM)
Not sure that Leopard can run one Core duo Processor or not.. cause from the WWDC, it stated 64-bit.. but Core Duo is 32bit.
For Core 2 Duo should be no problem..
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I got one question related to 64bit thingy. As we all know that C2D is 64bit processor, but the mainboard (motherboard) only support 32bit (i refer to non-santa rosa platform and exception of Mac Pro). That's mean that the overall machine is 32bit, right? And now that Jobs stated that leopard from top to bottom is 64bit. And how can 32bit machine support 64bit software(OS)? It doesn't make sense. I doubt that he was telling 100% true.

In my opinion, i think when install in non-64bit machine, it actual install 32bit OS but those 64bit codes or what will be not install and cannot use. I know that leopard can run 32bit and 64bit side by side, but you can only run 64bit software if your machine is 64bit as well by right. hmm.gif

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I think this leopard is like the universal binary concept. It contents both codes but it only use one particular code type according to your machine unsure.gif

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Probably you wont get the blasting performance boost of full 64bit. The OS will handle the 64bit to 32bit emulation* (as shown during Leopard 1st preview). Leopard will be a full 64bit OS which backward compatible with 32bit apps in short.

No idea how the performance of non-64bit or not fully 64bit hardware. Maybe the user wont get the full juice of 64bit. Then again, not everything will be magically faster even it is 64bit. For larger sum of calculation string, yes. But how often an end user get to do that are very subjective.

*Not sure if emulation is the right words, but hope you get the idea.
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QUOTE(wei @ Jun 13 2007, 05:08 PM)
Probably you wont get the blasting performance boost of full 64bit. The OS will handle the 64bit to 32bit emulation* (as shown during Leopard 1st preview). Leopard will be a full 64bit OS which backward compatible with 32bit apps in short.

No idea how the performance of non-64bit or not fully 64bit hardware. Maybe the user wont get the full juice of 64bit. Then again, not everything will be magically faster even it is 64bit. For larger sum of calculation string, yes. But how often an end user get to do that are very subjective.

*Not sure if emulation is the right words, but hope you get the idea.
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i get what you mean. Well, i think it was more like universal binary concept. It cannot be emulating. If it emulate, the performance suck. See how the rosetta performs? sweat.gif
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hmm.gif maybe it will just support 32 & 64bit at the same time, not till the extend of Rosetta emulation. only time will tell... brows.gif
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i think he meant that the OS, is 64bit from top to bottom as in if u have a 64bit computer, it will make full use of it...
and its also capable of running on a 32bit computer...
unlike windows where there are so many version, this has everything bundled in one...
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QUOTE(MoNnY @ Jun 13 2007, 07:02 PM)
i think he meant that the OS, is 64bit from top to bottom as in if u have a 64bit computer, it will make full use of it...
and its also capable of running on a 32bit computer...
unlike windows where there are so many version, this has everything bundled in one...
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that's the phrase i really have to disagree with Jobs. From what i understand, from top to bottom, it means that it's full 64bit. Assume that even 32bit machine can run 64bit software. But in reality, it's not. Well, maybe just me myself interprets that way. He should say sth like Leopard is 64bit and as well as support 32bit. Why say 64bit from top to bottom? It like full 64bit and even 32bit machine can make FULL USAGE.. sweat.gif
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well, like it or not, this is another strategy to make user to upgrade their mac.
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Thx wei. that's mean my mac mini still got hope.. *phew* .. can't wait for the Leopard to release from it's cage.. there are 290 features more which din demo in WWDC.. What will it be? tongue.gif

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