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ych91
post Dec 1 2018, 09:44 PM, updated 4h ago

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Hi sifus,

As per topic, I’m currently looking at the 1.8 Comfortline variant hmm.gif hmm.gif

I’ve done a little bit of research (well quite intense actually tongue.gif ) and I do know that there are a lot of issues with the previous gen Passat... But I’ve also heard that their gearbox issue has been resolved this time around is that true hmm.gif hmm.gif ??? Especially when I’m eyeing over the dry clutch model.... Scary...

Btw I really wonder if there is any Passat owner lurking around in this forum coz I don’t seem to even find a Passat club to begin with... This makes me think if this car is really so bad that nobody drives sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

Million dollar question:

Will you buy a showroom demo unit (<10k mileage) at say 110-120k if it is made available to you??? Or would you recommend me to go for other options be it new or used at the said price. And of course your justifications.

Would really like to hear from the sifus here. Very much appreciated icon_rolleyes.gif




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post Dec 1 2018, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(ych91 @ Dec 1 2018, 09:44 PM)
Hi sifus,

As per topic, I’m currently looking at the 1.8 Comfortline variant  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

I’ve done a little bit of research (well quite intense actually tongue.gif ) and I do know that there are a lot of issues with the previous gen Passat... But I’ve also heard that their gearbox issue has been resolved this time around is that true  hmm.gif  hmm.gif ??? Especially when I’m eyeing over the dry clutch model.... Scary...

Btw I really wonder if there is any Passat owner lurking around in this forum coz I don’t seem to even find a Passat club to begin with... This makes me think if this car is really so bad that nobody drives  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

Million dollar question:

Will you buy a showroom demo unit (<10k mileage) at say 110-120k if it is made available to you??? Or would you recommend me to go for other options be it new or used at the said price. And of course your justifications.

Would really like to hear from the sifus here. Very much appreciated  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Don't buy pre register / demo unit . For comfortline you can get new unit at about RM14xk only .

Want to know why don't want buy pre register unit , just ask the salesman to give you a ride with the demo unit and you will know why. They trash the car terribly just to show you how fun is a passat b8 .

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post Dec 1 2018, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(mrgentleman @ Dec 1 2018, 09:48 PM)
Don't buy pre register / demo unit . For comfortline you can get new unit at about RM14xk only .

Want to know why don't want buy pre register unit , just ask the salesman to give you a ride with the demo unit and you will know why. They trash the car terribly just to show you how fun is a passat b8 .
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Well, I personally take mileage as a benchmark to compare if the car has been ‘trashed’ or not. I think you must agree with me that a pre-reg or demo unit with <10k mileage is still better than a unit with 30k mileage right...

Other than that, I don’t think any sane person will sell their car when their mileage is only between 10-15k to begin with so you couldn’t compare...

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post Dec 1 2018, 10:43 PM

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Got spare car at home?

Their courtesy car policy isn't very customer friendly and in limited quantity.
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post Dec 1 2018, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(ych91 @ Dec 1 2018, 10:25 PM)
Well, I personally take mileage as a benchmark to compare if the car has been ‘trashed’ or not. I think you must agree with me that a pre-reg or demo unit with <10k mileage is still better than a unit with 30k mileage right...

Other than that, I don’t think any sane person will sell their car when their mileage is only between 10-15k to begin with so you couldn’t compare...
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I bought demo unit 2014 mfg Polo Sedan on year 2016 with 168 km mileage, at MyVi price.
Sounds great right? Well, upon deliver, the engine bay has loud vibration sound during reverse, radio signal bad reception which I need to deal with VW SC. First issue quickly rectified but 2nd issue radio poor reception had gone numerous visit to SC on 6 months span, complaint, left car over 1 week twice for inspection, and email to VGM. End up they preferred to blame the fault on I installed reverse camera(which is after some time), which causing interference on common ground. Bullshit, I fixed after visit workshop outside, which found the fault on corroded antenna PCB under the base...
Things does not end there, I got absorber faulty within 10k km, which they said absorber only covers on 6 months/10k km, but my demo car already passed 6 months and not entitled for warranty. Arm rest button, ECU bracket broken on 20k km, which also cannot claim due to these are wear and tear warranty 6 months/10k km only.
So moral of the story? Don't buy demo car that has passed 6 months/10k km. Majority of their warranty claimable items falls under 6 months/10k km including absorber, interior accessories, brake disc and pad etc etc...
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post Dec 1 2018, 11:37 PM

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Theres a few pre-reg units that has less than 500km mileage. Look for that instead
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QUOTE(ych91 @ Dec 1 2018, 10:25 PM)
Well, I personally take mileage as a benchmark to compare if the car has been ‘trashed’ or not. I think you must agree with me that a pre-reg or demo unit with <10k mileage is still better than a unit with 30k mileage right...

Other than that, I don’t think any sane person will sell their car when their mileage is only between 10-15k to begin with so you couldn’t compare...
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Totally disagree, a demo / pre-register that had been taken for a ride by salesman is a big NO .

While on the other hand if a used 1 that has higher mileage but is nicely taken care by the owner is a much better choice.

An owner won't trash a car , a salesman WILL to impress their customer.

I've seen it myself, that is why I chose to get a new passat .

The sharp cornering , emergency brake , speeding on bumpy roads , then i get to know that it is part of their training to showcase passat that way to their customer .

The choice is yours though, don't say ppl never warn you .
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post Dec 1 2018, 11:52 PM

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My answer is simply "No" :-)
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post Dec 1 2018, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(ych91 @ Dec 1 2018, 10:25 PM)
Well, I personally take mileage as a benchmark to compare if the car has been ‘trashed’ or not. I think you must agree with me that a pre-reg or demo unit with <10k mileage is still better than a unit with 30k mileage right...

Other than that, I don’t think any sane person will sell their car when their mileage is only between 10-15k to begin with so you couldn’t compare...
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You know what causes most engine wear? short distance travel - when the engine oil is never able to reach it's optimum temperature to perform fully.

Now imagine the demo car is driven less than 5km during every test drive, also 5 times out of 10 it is revved sky-high by enthusiastic customers before the engine oil have a chance to warm up.

You get the idea. And that's just the engine, not including other parts of the car such as the steering, suspension and brakes that are abused everytime it goes out for a test drive. I've been to test drives where the SA encourage me to speed over a road bump just to show me how good the suspension is.

So yes, you actually have better chance getting a 30k km car from an actual owner that's in better condition than a 10k km showroom demo car.
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post Dec 2 2018, 09:07 AM

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Thanks for the feedback guys. Really appreciate that.

Don’t mean to disagree but does that mean the total savings of ~35k ie. 110k as compared to new unit 145kish is not at all justified??? Taking into consideration VW poor resale value, I was thinking I may be able to cushion some of the highest depreciation which happens to be in the first few years of ownership.... hmmm...

Btw I thought there are 5 years warranty so there is no issue sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ych91 @ Dec 2 2018, 09:07 AM)
Thanks for the feedback guys. Really appreciate that.

Don’t mean to disagree but does that mean the total savings of ~35k ie. 110k as compared to new unit 145kish is not at all justified??? Taking into consideration VW poor resale value, I was thinking I may be able to cushion some of the highest depreciation which happens to be in the first few years of ownership.... hmmm...

Btw I thought there are 5 years warranty so there is no issue sweat.gif
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I already listed down some common items ridiculously classified as 6 months/10k warranty only.
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post Dec 2 2018, 08:27 PM

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Suggest u think twice. I have not seen many of new passat on the road. I had initially wanted to get one also...test drive it. Driving is good...specs is good however many advised against it.
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post Dec 3 2018, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(ych91 @ Dec 2 2018, 09:07 AM)
Thanks for the feedback guys. Really appreciate that.

Don’t mean to disagree but does that mean the total savings of ~35k ie. 110k as compared to new unit 145kish is not at all justified??? Taking into consideration VW poor resale value, I was thinking I may be able to cushion some of the highest depreciation which happens to be in the first few years of ownership.... hmmm...

Btw I thought there are 5 years warranty so there is no issue sweat.gif
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lol, don't listen to most of them la. Many of them don't know what they are talking about

100k would be good value in my opinion. 110k is average for a 1.8. This is my perspective as an ex-owner. If you can get one unit at 80 to 90k NEW, that's even better!

And yes, the car WILL HAVE poor resale value. I can confirm that your car is only be worth 45 to 50k to 2nd hand dealers after 5 years. So the less you have to pay for it, the less you lose on depreciation.

If you want a car with better resale then you need to get the 2.0, I'd definitely get the demo unit 2.0 which is priced at 135 to 140k, a friend of mine got the 2.0 demo unit and that is a much better value car that doesn't depreciate as much as the 1.8 because of the 6 speed DSG and GTI spec engine.

Just bear in mind that whether or not if its the 1.8 or 2.0, your wear and tear parts will cost more money than any Japanese car to fix, so this is where you MUST do your own research or you will end up being slaughtered like a water fish.

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post Dec 3 2018, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Dec 1 2018, 10:43 PM)
I bought demo unit 2014 mfg Polo Sedan on year 2016 with 168 km mileage, at MyVi price.
Sounds great right? Well, upon deliver, the engine bay has loud vibration sound during reverse, radio signal bad reception which I need to deal with VW SC. First issue quickly rectified but 2nd issue radio poor reception had gone numerous visit to SC on 6 months span, complaint, left car over 1 week twice for inspection, and email to VGM. End up they preferred to blame the fault on I installed reverse camera(which is after some time), which causing interference on common ground. Bullshit, I fixed after visit workshop outside, which found the fault on corroded antenna PCB under the base...
Things does not end there, I got absorber faulty within 10k km, which they said absorber only covers on 6 months/10k km, but my demo car already passed 6 months and not entitled for warranty. Arm rest button, ECU bracket broken on 20k km, which also cannot claim due to these are wear and tear warranty 6 months/10k km only.
So moral of the story? Don't buy demo car that has passed 6 months/10k km. Majority of their warranty claimable items falls under 6 months/10k km including absorber, interior accessories, brake disc and pad etc etc...
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An 80 to 90k car drop price until 50kish level. Whatever problem it has also nothing to complain already. Plus, it's a 2014 manufactured car, which means it was sitting in some warehouse for 2 years... have some realistic expectation la friend.

I think you already got a very fair offer. You would at most lose another 25k or so after 5 years since the initial price in which you got the car was 50kish.
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post Dec 3 2018, 10:20 AM

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Yes i will buy if still got warranty. I rent a passat b8 trendline with socar for a day, manage to drive for about 476km. The car odometer almost reach 10k km, i dont find any issues with the powertrain and suspension.

I believe socar car has been trash hard by renter than any test drive car. The passat that i get very dirty inside out. Dented here and there and even got some accidents trace at the backdoor with unmatched colour.
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post Dec 3 2018, 12:23 PM

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Still have complaint on gearbox even though is wet clutch
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post Dec 3 2018, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Dec 3 2018, 10:04 AM)
An 80 to 90k car drop price until 50kish level. Whatever problem it has also nothing to complain already. Plus, it's a 2014 manufactured car, which means it was sitting in some warehouse for 2 years... have some realistic expectation la friend.

I think you already got a very fair offer. You would at most lose another 25k or so after 5 years since the initial price in which you got the car was 50kish.
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I bought similar deal proton gen2 2008 mfg on year 2012 new with RM35k, no problem still driving today, except need to repaint. When VW Visit Workshop gen2 serving me. Quality speaks sir!
My main objective of story telling here is to inform TS on the expectation with Demo Car, not a complaint tho. Warranty as such need to be frank to him OK?
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 3 2018, 12:23 PM)
Still have complaint on gearbox even though is wet clutch
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1.8L 7 speed DSG is dry. No wet.

Bang for buck I don't know, but the transmission confirm will go bang, just a matter of when. If you buy it used and cheap, then its good deal provided you have a spare car and you're mentally prepared for the hassle. If you buy new you're gonna get banged when you wanna sell it off.

I don't know about you but I buy a car to drive, not buy a car to maintain. Not much driving if its in the SC.
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it may seem like good value, but the hassle of dealing with repairs alone isn't worth it yo

but like others have pointed, a spare car and dedicated annual leaves for SC visits are a must

think long-term
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It's not just the transmission but VW cars are also famous for mechatronic failure which can happen without warning and leave your car stalled. Of course being a VW other things can go wrong such as sensors, water pump and coil packs. When I buy a car I want to drive with confidence, not drive in fear of when the next breakdown is going to happen.


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