not sure if this is "hardware" worthy thread, so mod kindly move it if it's not.

what if in the near future, the GPU industry achieved 100% photorealistic capability?

A Graphic card and a PC system that can produce AS REAL AS REAL LIFE graphic? Along with the effect and physics.

Will the GPU industry stand still? Because what else can we do? You cant be "realer" than real life right?

no more graphic war? End Game? Integrated real life graphic chips?

or ONE graphic card to rule us all?

Virtual reality will be next. There really is no end game in sight. As it is right now the GPU is still evolving very rapidly, and is going way beyond just graphics. There will always be some massively parallel computation problem which it can be used for.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Jun 9 2007, 11:41 AM

Someone (can't remember right now) said: "The problem with nvidia and ATI's business is at some point your eyes can't get any better."

Exactly, but that's probably in 50 years time. Achieving complete photorealism is not trivial. Mad hardcore physics.

And even so, they are branching out into things other than graphics at this point, GPGPU applications will become much more popular by the end of this decade.

kinda reminds me of 13th floor ...

where reality indistinguishable from virtual

LOL

This post has been edited by jinaun: Jun 9 2007, 12:18 PM

Good thinking but do limit that. For computing, most of em grow exponentially including Artificial Intelligence. Moore's Law is just the beginning, Kurzweil's Law is telling us by 2025, we can buy a system with human-type IQ or A.I for the price of current refrigerator. So basically what u were saying, u can start by do the math urself.

and there's always room for a new thing tho. Like for now we are more than good to have cpu and gpu, who knows in 5-6 years to come Ageia's PPU would be a big hit for the market at that time.

This post has been edited by derred: Jun 9 2007, 12:36 PM

well, our eyes are "designed" to see "real" everyday life graphic. Millions of years of evolution to get it just right.

so I guess virtual reality real life graphic games would be the END GAME

no point in competing for something "better", since there's nothing to improve anymore. Unless if we wait for another million years and grow some new sensory organs that can "see" and "feel" more than our current sensory organs can.

since you are practically "living" a real life and acting it out in a game, minus the real death and injuries.

ala Matrix triology.

Fishyc*ck, so this is END GAME then?

As i said, there are things other than just games driving the GPU industry in the future. I'm not even sure it will be called GPU anymore in the near future even. It is still evolving. I can't even say what form they will take in 20 years, but even now they are being increasingly used for non graphics applications. Any sort of massively parallel computation is good for GPUs.

The Matrix...that's what's gonna happen...God helps us all...

Imagine what happens if you are in VR and suddenly got hacker who inject all kinds of trojan and virus and worms

You think too much

which means ur saying that in the past, the first man/ape or any name species u say it, see real life as blocky images?? that's why i don't believe in the BS of evolution theory..there is only perfection in life, in this case u dont see at all or can see perfectly..

don't relate technology evolution with God's perfect creation

I think it was Bob Cowell (former Intel architect) who said it way before the whole CPU-GPU thing. Massive SIMD for teh win.

You totally mis-read the post.
Please don't turn this into an evolution vs creationism debate.

You get hurt and die for REAL~!!!!.

Becoz like the matrix, your brain will think you are getting hurt and dies, and take you along with it.

A virus that removes the death and injuries inhibitor codes and replace it with real death and injuries.



hehe.

well, maybe there is no end game, in the future, GPU might be used to cook our food, clean our house, raise our babies, etc.

who knows, computation power is needed in everything, right?

that was my point, the A.I.

GPU to clean ur house and raise babies ? dude, life aint no movies u need to realize that. do u know what GPU stands for ? its graphic processing unit. How in the earth would GPU clean ur house ? I thot u were thinking smart, i was wrong.

no offense, u have good idea and thinking. Just, ur wasting it on the wrong direction my fren. Better let that kinda thinking of the world will become a movie like "matrix", slip from ur mind.

btw how old r u ? it's ok if ur in like 12-20 range. If ur older than that, grow up. Again no offense. It's for ur own good. anybody please support me to help this kid ?

This post has been edited by derred: Jun 9 2007, 02:39 PM

oh plz help me, i'm so loli.



Are you pedobear?

oh noes. another epic sarcasm failget. lol.

guys im very sorry. I prob take this too seriously. My bad. Just that im concern if u r really that kinda of guy. There is a fren of mine with that type of thinking and yet he still suffers from that kinda virtuous thinking. The imagination skills is superb if u ask me, but somehow i feel so sorry for him to waste it on the wrong direction. Again im sorry but please if ur serious about that u shud get help by now ok.

More than that, he basically thinks the way u think. I believe we could label this fren of mine as "crazy". If u know behind the scenes about the matrix, u will understand like how some of the plots from the movie is taken from the reality. Hint: It's a religion that start with "J".

This post has been edited by derred: Jun 9 2007, 02:47 PM

Trust me, many of the best people in this industry are "crazy" in some way. Imagination is key.

Yes u r rite. Thats why i were asking his age. For some level, there are always thing that limits our option. What im trying to say is, even if u invent something in today's world, u will need more than imagination to make it come true. I give u fibre optic widgets as example, there is a company named Licomm tech found an south korean guy age 44 years old with 3 phd in his hand. Currently he has like 33 pattern for enchanced fibre optic and hired by this Licomm tech. They vision is to make use of it to enchance internet connectivity like here in the US for game servers like CS 1.6, to play against west coast from east coast have 100+ ping latency. With the widgets, it will run smoothly at 1 ping latency. Unfortunately, they are not rich so they need funds from other to get listed in NYSE. Now the company is basically own by the rich who funded them. The other prob they couldnt find how to mass-produce it, it just too complicated. See even if u found new technology by now, u will need more skills to survive. My point was it is better he use his spare imagination to other skills. Note i always mention good thinking superb ideas, i do value that but just dont waste too much on ideas. ok ?

I support that kind of thinking if u realize, but i was just concern more on how to make use of it. Dont waste it. Keep up the good thinking and make the use of it.

My direct point would be there is a fine line that separates between dreams and goals. I want that kid to set goals, not just dreaming. Dreaming at night could be wonderful etc, but its useless. Goals are different we could clearly see it and celebrate it if we manage to achieve one. Hope this give u idea how i appreciate that kinda of thinking so much.

This post has been edited by derred: Jun 9 2007, 03:13 PM

Yes, but that's only obvious. But limitations are mostly just temporary. Even if they can't use it now, there will be some use for it in the future, and that is what being on the cutting edge is all about. And not everyone is in it for the megabucks. Some people just like inventing new things. "ideas never die".

And you just failed to get his sarcasm really. That's all there is to it.

I probably dont. Read back my post i have add something. Ur rite about the things u said. I hope if he is reading this now, he will get our points and make use of its.

My added point from previous post:

I support that kind of thinking if u realize, but i was just concern more on how to make use of it. Dont waste it. Keep up the good thinking and make the use of it.

My direct point would be there is a fine line that separates between dreams and goals. I want that kid to set goals, not just dreaming. Dreaming at night could be wonderful etc, but its useless. Goals are different we could clearly see it and celebrate it if we manage to achieve one. Hope this give u idea how i appreciate that kinda of thinking so much.

This post has been edited by derred: Jun 9 2007, 03:20 PM

I'm sure he's just lolling at it all. I would be too if i were him.

Internets really is serious business lol.

oh really, i dont really get the sarcasm. Haa, fine i hope my views will be found informative for readers then. btw, nice knowing u ikanayam.

do u know that.. for the graphics to be more realistic.. the more work is needed to be put on it???

eg.. artist have to develop multiple maps/textures and ultra high detail poly with tesselation, lotsa shader programming(i mean ALOT for effects like raytracing, refraction,reflection,tesselation, etc etc...) , motion capture, etc etc

i don't think its worth the time/effort/money.. other than to show proof of concept

This post has been edited by jinaun: Jun 9 2007, 09:02 PM

Since in the world no 1 is perfect... why will product a Perfect graphic card in future?

Bcoz of human not perfect... how advanced of a computer nowaday also hav weakness.... Intel Core2Duo.... <~ powerful? Performence? but still will lag.....
No matter how realistic a graphic card is there sure hav weakness on it so the war wont end .... no game over in the world.....

Just like last time a computer big like a house now hav laptop ... do u think laptop is the best? no ... maybe hav sumthing smaller then a laptop....

Technology wont end.... but human will die..... LOL..... except.... "The Day After Tomorrow" is coming.... XD

i bet u never hang out in kopitiam so never know lamely's prowess in creating legendary thread

Just wanna point out that a ping of 1 millisecond latency is impossible unless the god like Korean dude broke the laws of physics by the virtue of cat consumption and starcraft. Lol i love stereotypes.

^ZOMG ZERGRUSH!!!!!!!!

For everything to look real, then you have to simulate the physics of light, and for everything to feel real, then you have to simulate physics of matter (for the less than bright, these are not trivial). It's all hardcore physics which most people take for granted in their daily lives. Currently all we do is make cheap approximations. We will get there some day, but not so soon. You really need a vast amount of computing power to achieve all this. But once you have all that computing power, then things become a lot easier for the programmer i would think. You don't need to write really crazy shaders. You just need to define certain properties of the materials and light sources, and the physics takes care of the rest.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Jun 9 2007, 11:34 PM

as if sony ps3 claims can do all amazing physics calculations using Cell processor. Now i know that is still isn't enough

anyway, do u guys think that our current PCs (8800 Ultra with C2Q) can render the frame of images at a frame rate of a motion picture on the fly aka realtime? The image quality, physics, background, textures have to be on par with Shrek 3 or FF7 Advent children and etc

now isnt 8800gtx can render all the testing in 3dmark 06 with high fps? all of the testing video's lifeliness in 3dmark06 is very close to those highend CG movies

Nah, the next thing is 'SENSATION' processing unit. Something we can feel, tactile, soft, hard, rough, smooth, bouncy and sharp...

Now this thread goes from Virtual Reality to dirty thoughts real fast

What's next? Virtual girlfriend or wives? No need to looking for girls, its just a click away from virtual heaven

condemn all u want, thats what we called technology. Next time if its already out, i know ill be enjoying it playing counter-strike with super minor lag no matter where the other team comes from (east coast, west coast, midwest, south etc). At least he has 3 phd, i couldnt recall how much them pay him, but as far as i remember it's 6 figures in USD.

oh I see.My bad.

This post has been edited by derred: Jun 10 2007, 02:32 AM

3dmark 06 is not even close. Those motion pictures use raytracing at high resolutions. 3Dmark06 quality at 1280x1024 is nothing lol.

6 figures in USD is decent, but depends on how high up on 6 you're talking about. I know quite a few people who are making 6 figures (USD) starting pay, without even a phd. lol.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Jun 10 2007, 02:33 AM

Thats what u see per year. I assume u know that. This guy makes that much per month, and trust me it aint 100,000 or sumthing like that. It's way up higher. Unless your friends are some senior manager at Boieng or sumthing i guess it would be 6 figures per month hehe. U can ask them tho, is it per year or month. Here usually it goes per year.

This post has been edited by derred: Jun 10 2007, 02:38 AM

Any links? i must check this out!

LOL macam gaji YDP Agung

sorry i just could give public info like this. More than that would cause me trouble i believe bcoz errr check ur PM.

Photo-realistic 3D image on 2D screens. My bet is the next step would be 3D images on 3D visual presentation i.e. holograms. Next would be photo realistic holograms (now that would be something!). Maybe after that it moves up to virtual reality.

Good thinking im with u on this one.

This post is fine. Except the bolded part.

How can a dude swinging an obviously heavy blade like it were tissue paper be counted as realism and good physics simulation?

It's more like Cloud drops blade on Sephiroh, the bugger dies.


Then some should pay him more because he just cockslapped Einstein and general scientific community.

Lemme explain the fallacy of your 1ms assertion.
1. Light is subject to universal constant.
2. Light is also subject to the physical laws governing wave/particle duality
3. The constant at which light travels is C
4. C is also a measure of speed of which light travels at in a medium without resonance
5. C in optical cables or glass for that matter no matter how high tech (except for single mode reflective) is around 2/3 C or 66 percent the speed of light.
6. The distance from the east coast of the USA to the west coast is 4200km
7. Using the ideal that light can travel around 200 KMPS in optic cables.
8. So that adds up to 13 milliseconds, if the 2 point were connected by a pure optic connector without repeaters or switchers or other routing equipment.
9. Repeat after me, the laws of physics don't bend for anyone. Not even Koreans with 3 PHDs.
10. Rinse and Repeat.

KEKEKE ZERG RUSH!

KOREA EAT CAT!

Damn this thread is awesome.

This post has been edited by empire23: Jun 10 2007, 06:06 AM

Speed of light in vacuum is ~300,000KM/s

Shhhhh! The Koreans don't know that

I nominate lamely for Elite for his contribution to awesomely entertaining threads!

You are assuming that human scumkind do not find/create/develop a communication medium that is "FASTER" than light.

wormhole internet. yay

the internet will be a series of interconnecting tub... I mean wormholes.

But every good thing has it's flaws, your bullits hits your fouls in multiplayer before you even fires it, due to a bug in the wormhole time displacement network field.

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Added on June 10, 2007, 2:12 pmsend all the korean blue team to the moon base.

send the korean red team to the earth's orbital space station.

connect to server satellite orbiting the moon.

300 000 km/s GET!!!!



This post has been edited by lamely_named: Jun 10 2007, 02:12 PM

By that time, its not a GPU anymore =.=

GPU could do the calculations and rendering for graphics, as long as there are commands supplied to it. So it could not cook, clean, raise baby, etc. =.=

wat made u say tat...?