Anybody installed WATER PUMP at home ?

I am planning to install a water pump at home for my 3 toilets, please advice, TQ.

https://s.lazada.com.my/s.fn9C

Install at main supply from meter to tank. My house using 2 of this. One for supply another one for water feature. Running 24/7 still strong.

TQ a lot.

So I just buy the Panasonic water pump from Lazada.com (RM319) and then install near the water meter ??

Or i need to call water guy to install?

house got tank?

What makes you think can install anywhere between meter and tank?

u install main direct ????i call syabas catch 97 u, then alert your neighbours also

What ?

Cannot install ?

If in Selangor, it's illegal to install any pumping assist device between water meter and water tank. You can only install water pump after your water tank.

That Panasonic is good enough for 3 toilets. Can DIY. Quite simple. Water tank -> water pump -> house main water piping. Walla high pressure to all house water outlets.

Unless you want to have to have a backpup water from meter if water pump fail (no electricity, broken, etc). This setup need a it of extra piping done, with proper check valve installed. Not that difficult though.

always buy hitachi man...don't buy other model. that hitachi reliable wan.

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/hitachi-...ibKvNc&search=1

Suspect my neighbour do this because me and other neighbour getting low water pressure. But no evidence ;(

bro, trust me. Get Grundfos Scala 2, and you'll be happy for minimum 5 years without any worries. Super strong like hotel.

super quiet, and strong thunderstorms come also no problem since it's storm proof. Costs RM1.7k, worth every penny

This post has been edited by KuzumiTaiga: Nov 12 2018, 01:40 PM

common practice by installer they would recommend you to buy outdoor water tank as reservoir /buffer tank which wouldnt affect the flow of the main pipe. unless your house already got water tank installed in ceiling then install there.

be considerate to neighbours who dont have pump lah.

Install after tank...

Bro, with or without the bypass line, you still need check valve. Also recommend a hydropneumatic/membrane tank if space is not an issue.

Go for Hitachi, proven by a lot ppl that it is long lasting

Fix it after water tank

Beware of pump noise

This post has been edited by stupiak07: Nov 12 2018, 01:30 PM

make sure you get the right pump，else very headache！

i am using grundfos scalar 2……adjustable pressure volume and good！

Yah, I present the simplest DIY setup that should work. But if water pump fail, GG, no water in the toilets.

I DIY one at my home. Using Hitachi water pump, with proper setup if water pump fail. Still have water coming direct from meter or tank.

This post has been edited by haturaya: Nov 12 2018, 01:36 PM

good thing about selangor were water pressure from the supply pipe is high enough, kalau kedah, krik krik

Oops, caught red-handed

Go with GRUNDFOS.. it is more exp, but I tell you that thing is heavy duty and reliable

I need a pump so strong I can suck water from my neighbor's tank in times of need

Kelantan too. I went to Kelantan last week. Argh... the water pressure - like pee...


No, my water pump didn't suck from water meter pipe. But if the water pump fail, the water comes from water meter to my toilets. So, it's legal. With proper piping design and appropriate check valve used, no way my water pump going to suck from water meter. My water pump inlet pipe direct to my water tank. Not connected to water pipe from meter.

Water meter pipe -> water tank -> water pump -> house piping (toilets, laundry, etc)
Water meter pipe -> bypass to -> house piping (toilets, laundry, etc), with proper check valve fitted.
Water tank -> bypass to -> house piping

Can't remember exact piping layout and check valve placements. I did that 3-4 years ago.

This post has been edited by haturaya: Nov 12 2018, 01:48 PM

Any elcheapo water pump will do. Just 'silently' put a sucking pipe into your neighbor's water tank.

yup，i am using this too，pricing a bit expensive but very good and worth it！ quiet，pressure adjustable，wont disturb your neighbour！using about a year now and hassle free！

hitachi > all

Try go Home Pro test the pump....

Install after the water meter, SYABAS won't bother what you install.

Wrong concept. Pump cannot "suck". When a pump operates, it "pushes" water out, resulting in higher pressure on the discharge side. The pressure near the pump inlet drops, creating a pressure difference within the suction side. The higher pressure upstream of the suction pushes the water in.
Read more here: https://blog.craneengineering.net/pumps-don...gal-pump-basics

Second arrangement also illegal. You can only tap to kitchen sink and tank, irrespective of the installation of check valve. Incidentally, check valves are not fool-proof in preventing cross-contamination, hence the reason for the restriction.

MAKE SURE PRESSURE ENOUGH BUT NOT TOO MUCH
LATER TOO STRONK THE SHIET ALL FLY UP WHEN U FLUSH

Hi,
Is Grundfos Scala 2 easy to get air trap? If incoming water pressure very low (happen when wafer supply interrupt) but the pump still working, the air may trap inside the pump. When the water supply resume, the pump is not working as the air trap inside the pump. Need to release the air from the pump only the pump will start working.
TIA.

most pumps push better than pull

This post has been edited by duHwaN: Nov 12 2018, 02:11 PM

You don't have a tank?

SHOPEE price is RM1900 for Grundfos Scala 2, some replies here only RM1700, why ?

https://shopee.com.my/Grundfos-Scala2-Autom...2661.1020685940

I have, but the water in the tank is running out, sometime my family not aware.
Thanks

better check if installation included or not！

only happened once when my mom left the outside garden hose running until water tank empty. what I did was shut off the pump for one night, next morning everything went back to normal

Hi bro, tumpang tanya.

Is that panasonic pump sufficient for double storey house (3 bathroom)? Only supply flush tank & basin.

Also anyway improve the water pressure of shower? it connects directly from main pipe, but water pressure becomes too low when downstairs also using water (eg. kitchen, downstairs shower).

The house is 20+ years old, its water pressure keeps dropping until intolerable level

Hope to get some idea before contact plumber, cos i total noob in plumbing, scared slit throat by them furiously.

Thanks in advance

Ts wake up the next morning, then got people do this in front of his house

Shhhhs...


Check the output value. Panasonic have a few models to choose from.

Old house most probably use that metal pipe, that tends to become rusty and eventually clogged the pipe itself. Re-piping should solve the problem.

No need to install water pump......its a hoax.

Installing a bypass valve will solve your issue.

Install water tank and install pump after water tank

lol that increases risk of damage, and when there is no direct water supply u can't take water from your tank. direct water pressure even at landed new neighbourhood can never be as strong as pump, even in brand new housing areas like mine

Did u mean install new connection & ignore the old pipes? Cos if replace old pipes it's huge construction

Thank for ur advice bro

Thanks for ur advice bro

If can afford get Grundfos, want good and value get Teral.
I had Grundfos, lasted less then 4 years, replaced with Teral.

Tumpang ask here.

I live in an old low density apartment in KL. Located on a small hill. Ground floor empty for car park, etc. People stay in Level 1 - 3.

For the last 2 years the direct water from meter less than pee, it's torturing just to fill up filtered water to boil.

So there's a few questions:

1. I know for apartments it'll first go through a main meter, then only to individual meters. So is it still illegal to put a pump from that individual meter to tank? Will have to check if we pay water ill direct to the management and they pay the water bill as a whole to syabas lol.

2. If it's still illegal, any suggestions to improve?

I've been considering to redo the pipe as I was told water is so slow because all other units already change to bigger pipes. Ours still using those old pipe which are smaller in diameter and possibly have blockage inside.

Teral also not cheap

Why? Now Teral got famous price went up?

Grundfos water pump. powerful af. It's pricier than other brands but it's reliability it's superb. Mine coming to 7 years ady without any maintenance needed.

Tsunami... 5 years and still rocks. Cheaper compared to grundfos.

Noise level is barely heard when installed on 2nd floor roof

This is more of a pump design issue and not really related to brand. So for your situation you want a pump that is easy to prime, basically choose a pump without an air release valve near the top (integral to some type of pumps). Then you install it in a positive suction condition so that gravity will keep it primed. Finally also opt for something with run dry protection for the complete package.

Can you check if your apartment comes with water tank? A typical configuration would be main meter -> individual meter -> individual water tank -> individual unit.

It is quite unusual if the configuration is as you said.

THIS ...

I have 2 pump, a Hitachi and a Grundfos ... Grundfos kaput first and Grundfos is about 2 time more expensive than Hitachi pump.

Yes, possible, the piping might leak ... how old is your unit ?

My house using Grundfos CM5-4PT. So awesome I tell you, water pressure 40psi maintained. I have a rain shower 16”x16” really like showering in the rain.

One thing before you install a pump, do check what type of water piping is installed in your house. If using the old grey PVC pipe which is connected with glue I would not recommend to install water pump. If your piping is using Hansen fittings then can install no problem as those piping connection is rated to hold over 100+ psi.

this 👍！

Still can complain so that Syabas or whatever can investigate. They know what the pressure suppose to be in your area.

Is OK.. I'll be installing a new water filter system soon which showing the water pressure on the gauge. Will monitor things from there see how many bars coming into my house.

Hitachi is known for its motor. The 1st company that manufacture electric motor in Japan since 1914. The power tool probably better than Bosch

Scala2 is inverter type that hold constant pressure

All this talk about water pump gets me curious, do you run it 24/7 or need to be turned off when not in used? and how it affects the tnb bill?

This post has been edited by amanechoir: Nov 12 2018, 09:22 PM

i using grundfos

As for my house, I redo all piping myself. Ugly mess because I didn't hack into the concrete wall. Original metal pipe runs inside the house wall that 100% concrete. Old style house that constructed using concrete slabs . It took me nearly 3 months to do it. After office hour job.


No, water pump is auto. It will switch on when you need water. Doesn't effect tnb bill much. Typical entry level rated around 250 watts only.

Can run 24/7 but not I dont recommend, Have a (2/3 way switch wired) and switch on when require.

Yes it does come with a water tank. But we still have the direct water element.

Main meter > Individual Meter > Direct Water (Kitchen) > Individual Water Tank > Toilet Water

I'm not even sure if adding a pump will help in this case plus it's likely that it'll make the individual meter run faster when operating.

If pumps don't suck, why is the inlet called "suction"?
Jokes aside, it needs a minimum suction head for the pumps to work.

Yoshhhh

currently rent a house... the water tank of this house leaking. since then i connect water pump direct from meter and not using water tank anymore. 1st cheap water pump broken. now using panasonic water pump. it already 3 years.

i will turn on the water pump if want to use high volume of water such as bath and wash cloth. water still flow if water pump turn off.

gua using hitachi boleh ba. quite straight forward design, easy to maintain youself

For a typical pressure-controlled pump, there is a pressure sensor detecting the water pressure in the pipes. Once the pressure drops below the cut-in pressure, a signal is sent to a relay which closes the pump circuit, thus the pump runs. When the pressure reaches the cut-out pressure, a similar process happens to stop the pump. Nowadays, pumps for home use comes in a complete package so you won't be able to see all these stuff.

I suggest you change the aging pipes. Generally, adding a pump after the water meter is not a good idea. Besides, your aging pipes may not be able to withstand the shock during pump start-up.

I suspect that in the past, scientists thought that pumps did suck. It was only later shown that that is not the case, but the name kind of stuck.

Did you guys install a switch for the pump? Like when you use, you turn it on, and off it when it's not using? Or just connect it directly and run 24/7

you need the switch for maintenance

other than that, we don't want the pump to automatically run in the middle of the night when we are sleeping. Its kinda creepy when you think of someone is taking shower when everybody is sleeping tight. Seriously, your piping might have very minor leak or the water tap is not fully closed which after sometime will cause the pressure switch to activate and subsequently run the pump itself.

I prefer it that way.

Install this brand, grundfos, but forgot its brand. Rm1.8k

Yeah works good.
Previously using Panasonic at rm600, ok la burn out after using it for 5 years.

Got switch. When no one's home then off it.

If Grundfos it is by sensor. Only working when there is water flow etc, ie when we are using water.

It's not continuously on. The pump will go into idle mode when there's no water usage and start back when there is.

If not wrong you cant do that.
You only can pump from your tanky to your house.

normally ppl put after tangki becos upstairs use tangki all low pressure

downstairs shud b all mains oredi

alternatively can cut off tangki and whole haus use mains but u'd have no emergency water supply shud there b a sudden water outage

Go for Pana...murah n last long....

Please get a good one

last time one of my neighbor use chapalang brand I think

sounds like this. summore put on the ceiling

Yes. No need to turn it off. As per told by Grundfos installer last time

Install a switch, switch on when needed ... trust me.

Imagine you are away and there is a leak in your piping, the pump will kick in and pump the full load of you water tank to that leak ... its gonna be fun ...

My parents house..both neighbours install water pump at meter...affecting the water pressure..

This post has been edited by hickups: Dec 30 2018, 07:14 PM

That is not going to help! You need to install it at the roof, after the water tank.

Install after meter - to pump water to the tank.
Install after tank - to increase water pressure to the toilet (or all the outlet connected to this source).

Beware. Your existing piping may not be able to take the pressure. Get your plumber to standby in case pipe burst. Happened to mine. Here leak, there leak.

What's wrong with your Grundfos?
Which Teral model did you get?
How many bathroom you have?

Im using grundfos - nothing wrong.

Am using hitachi too - nothing wrong ... hitachi is 1/3 of the price of grundfos.

Both pump install at the same time, 7 year and counting ... grundfos is giving weird noise now but still working.

to all of you who installed before your tank... your pump sucked out all water what your neighbour gonna use? be considerate lah and only install at your tangki output =.=

lol

if install before tank, all the boosted water will go to tank faster only
once tank is full, the pump will stop

unless TS open all his house taps continuously, how much water can he use?

TS, i suggest you check your incoming main pressure first

is the issue
> lack of pressure from meter to fill up your tank
or
> lack of pressure from tank to internal house piping

If meter pressure is weak, then you need to install pump before tank so water can reach tank
no point install after tank if source (tank) has no water

If tank pressure is weak, then you need to install pump after tank
if you install before tank, the water after tank won't be pressurized also


I say all these because my neighbour recently tap a new line from SYABAS main
the old tapping to his house was clogged
so his meter pressure was weak

This post has been edited by stormsea7: Dec 31 2018, 01:00 AM

Im staying in old condo with super week water pressure. Did check with plumper guy and they confirm the piping from water tank to my house pipe having issue (inside all corroded, even finger also unable to put in). Check with condo management and get approval to lay 1 pipe from tank direct to my water meter (bypass the main piping)
Water pressure getting bigger but still weak. I already have water pump install when bought this condo (even with water pump, water pressure still weak when connect to main pipe).
My house piping connection - >
Tank -> water meter -> water pump / bypass water pump ->water filter -> to my house piping.

Water pressure? When u open water pump and show, u will feel the pain.

Disadvantages - Sometime the stopper at the water pump not work properly, it will keep on pump (even no one using the water). Since pump motor keep on running (it will heat the water temperature and will melt the piping)