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> Ultimate Discussions of ASNB Fixed Price UT, Magical UT only in Malaysia

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post Dec 11 2018, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(propertyowner @ Dec 11 2018, 07:24 PM)
I hav no plan since beginning to dig that info but since you provide some data which not relevant that's why i ask.. if don't hav then is ok ya.. anyway pnb should really make you as ambassador since you sing praise song all the time for them..
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Since when I sing praise song for them? I even ask you to sell all, buy UT.

Anyway, if you not willing to dig any info, then why ask info at the first place? Instead asking people spoon-fed, why don't take an initiative to share some useful info? It is highly relevant between fixed price and variable price fund, since it is under same umbrella.

Edit: if you got info from somewhere, it is running out of reserves, then you can share. Otherwise, you can accuse every companies as 1mdb, and this doesn't help anyone at all without proof.

This post has been edited by vanitas: Dec 11 2018, 07:38 PM
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post Dec 11 2018, 09:30 PM

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There is no best investment, hence no smarter or less sensible investor.

Buy UT is never a bad choice than FP, given investors want transparent information, and able to choose variety of funds according to what they need, e.g. oversea exposure, riskier equity, safer bond, etc. The average return of UT can be higher than FP double, triple or more, with chance of losing capital. At the end, FP is no different than UT rather than no transparent information.

Disclaimer: I hold some UT, and I won't said people less sensible for buying any investments (including FD) but not FP.
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post Dec 11 2018, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(propertyowner @ Dec 11 2018, 09:44 PM)
Then why not you sell all FP and buy UT as previously advocates?
Is this sensible or not sensible.
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I don't ask for all info, but you did, so I suggest you take UT instead.
It is sensible for you, because you can't stand low transparency, and feel asnb is like TH. And I know a lot of UT investors that didn't trust asnb fixed price like you, even accuse it was ponzi.
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post Dec 11 2018, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(propertyowner @ Dec 11 2018, 06:32 PM)
don't be so sensitive if you are a guy..

even so what's the YTD cash reserve vs utilization vs actual P&L? without that we can't benchmark with TH
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QUOTE(propertyowner @ Dec 11 2018, 10:19 PM)
Please check back, I didn't ask anything and just sharing the link and you already asked to sell all FP and buy UT instead. Im not sensible either, it just that someone being too sensitive.

How u know I didn't buy FP, how u know ppl calling it Ponzi but still buying it. How u know ppl vested in FP or not. Everyone has the choice not for you to conclude, as if you're sifu or investment.
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- You did ask something, see quote above.
- I asking people to sell FP if feel it is like TH, nothing wrong with that. If got confidence, just keep, why is listen to me?
- I didn't claim I know all the things you mentioned, I even mention every investment is not a bad choice, only you saying dump FP into UT is less sensible.
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post Dec 11 2018, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(propertyowner @ Dec 11 2018, 10:53 PM)
It's less complicated than pusing like roti canai, just read #2496-99.
You are right, nothing wrong being sensitive actually.
Even less sensible cause no harm to the society.

If feels like TH then has to sell all and buy UT, then why TH investors still not moving their funds into UT?
If you recommended that and did not happen, what to achieve in the end of the day?
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It is just a suggestion, recommendation, for those with less confident on asnb, or feel it has negative reserves.

Anyway, for TH case, then you need to ask them. If it is me and qualify for that, provided no rescue plan proposed, I already move TH money into asb, asb2, or even asb3, but not UT (yet), because I still got confident on asnb.

As for what to achieve? Ask yourself too. This is internet, freedom of speech, no need specific reason.
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post Dec 12 2018, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(propertyowner @ Dec 12 2018, 03:12 AM)
Still can't quite get the rationale to sell all FP and buy UT.

And stand corrected that using reserves to pay dividends in TH was happened to ASNB as well. Nothing wins all the time, regardless of ur contident level
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I mentioned IF feel like TH. That's mean IF there is official news saying asnb is paying dividend using NEGATIVE reserves, for me, I will sell all FP. Whether buy UT, or any other investments, is to be considered later on. But UT is the most similar investment to FP, other than not fixed price.

And it is up to you to continue keep it, even for TH, yes there are a lot of investors still keeping it, but there is rescue plan coming in the same day, you can't guaranteed rescue plan might come out for asnb, as it is few times bigger than TH.

And whether this is good strategy or not, is depends on individual investor.

QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Dec 12 2018, 07:23 AM)
I suppose the only difference is that the law doesn't allow TH to give out dividends if they have negative income.
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The law also gives ASNB the chance to give 0% dividend essentially no dividend anyway, regardless positive or negative income.

But as long as it got the financial capability, it will still give dividend of course.
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post Dec 12 2018, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Dec 12 2018, 09:24 AM)
For ASM3 and ASM - Wawasan ?
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Already paid this year at the end of August and September, both 6%.

Now 3 months passed, personally think ASB will be as usual, higher than 6%, but not more than 8%.
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post Dec 13 2018, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 13 2018, 08:36 AM)
kart yup. With MyASNB the crowd is less...
I wonder why asnb don't want introduced withdrawal options hmm.gif many has been asking it...

Guess its take time to plan & upgrade the system 😎
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Strongly support online withdrawal. Not only easier to 'run' (it is not the time yet, unless market is bearish for next two years), but flexible to move money into other potentially better investments.
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post Dec 14 2018, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Leo the Lion @ Dec 14 2018, 10:42 AM)
When will ASNB announce ASB and ASB2 dividend this year?
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For ASB - can expect within next 2 weeks.
For ASB2 - it is already distributed backed in March for Financial Year 2017, or next year March for FY 2018.

QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Dec 14 2018, 11:31 AM)
now they implement put bank acc for paybank? lol is the bank acc must be same name ? i worried type wrong bank acc they pay to wrong acc
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It was currently for refund purpose, if myasnb having some bugs, transaction failed but deduct your money.
As for must same name or not, need to ask them, advise double check your account number instead.
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post Dec 14 2018, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Dec 14 2018, 02:37 PM)
i am another way round... as3 more than as2.. as2 keep cant reload and bring me back first page
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I can confirm this bugs, key in captcha and submit > redirect to home page.
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post Dec 14 2018, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Dec 14 2018, 03:07 PM)
it appear many time? haha i keep get maybe 2 time in 1 hr
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Get around 2-3 times bounce back for 30 mins attempts.

This bug is better than previous one that will lock you > auto log out and can't login for 15 mins.
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post Dec 16 2018, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Dec 16 2018, 03:40 AM)
can show the calender? all like so excited with it
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Maybe like this
http://delsuria.com.my/?work=pnb-2019-calendar

Anyway, ask if you really need it... Aside save paper /environment issue, everyone asking will cost millions (printing + postage fees) for asnb.. lol..

*Personally my house got a few calendars already, so didn't ask for it. And this applies to any free stuff that you may not need it.

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post Dec 17 2018, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 17 2018, 12:18 PM)
btw saw some issues over CIMB...
So its safe to use for topping up ASx or withdraw all into another bank acc.. Then use it for topping up ASx??

hmm.gif blink.gif
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Until CIMB told us what really happened, so far no one can give you accurate answer.
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post Dec 17 2018, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 17 2018, 06:33 PM)
And some don't want the calendar too..
Wastage for them... Those environment Kakis... This cannot that cannot 😕

Guess they only give those HNWI & email requests only...

Another question comes to my mind...
Our $$ safe in Asnb not? Since got issue with TH & also the issues at cimb.. Don't want suddenly login see balance less than should be 😴😭😫
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Environment friendly kakis is fine, I would advice, but never force anyone.

To answer your question, nothing is safe digitally. Gmail, fb hacked is not unheard, Dropbox password leak, telco data leak, credit card fraud, wifi hack etc is not something only exist today.

QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Dec 17 2018, 06:43 PM)
Hmmmmm... i Mark down the total amount and at least check 1 time per day. Beside this ,Nothing else can do .

Last week I realized one transaction failed but saving already deduct money.  Asnb officer said will take 3 working days auto refund to saving even I didn't call to make complain.

So u guyz pandai pandai , must check status of top up.
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Remember I ask uncle use app tac instead of SMS tac? You know western companies already use authenticator, authy etc instead of SMS, while I am not security expert, I did know SMS tac got some vulnerability. So Maybank already have app TAC and forcing to use it, public bank got secure sign device.

Nothing is safe, but those big companies trying to be safer day by day lor...
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post Dec 17 2018, 09:16 PM

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Actually for CIMB password issue, remind me in earlier days I can use special chars in myasnb password, but now seems can't.

Anyone can confirm this with me?
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post Dec 18 2018, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(kachak @ Dec 18 2018, 08:01 AM)
you're right. it seems they get too many people complaining that the password combination is "too complicated" and "hard to create/remember" LOL.

I am so confused with this though. Aren't passwords supposed to be complicated and difficult so people can't guess?
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Hmm, thanks for confirmation, for now where there is no online withdrawal, it is acceptable for me.

But if in the near future there is online withdrawal, you are right, the newer password requirement is a bit too weak.

*Silent readers, remind me to / go feedback on this when myasnb going to have online withdrawal, it is a (better) safety measure for all of us.

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post Dec 18 2018, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(samuraix79 @ Dec 18 2018, 10:27 AM)
Well, imagine if you have like multiple accounts, and all of them have different password requirements. Wah headache, some must capital some cannot capital (like ASNB heh heh) some special character
Even though password key software is supposed to be secure, I never tried it. hmm.gif
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There are several attempts currently to ditch password, like face recognisation, fingerprint, retinal scan and more.

Like I said, security is trying to improve day by day, who knows future no need password? But for now, just stick with password, no choice.
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post Dec 19 2018, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 19 2018, 05:57 PM)
cannot imagine the situation on Jan 2, 2019...
would be crazy long waiting period  puke.gif  2 hours waiting for your number is norm  icon_question.gif
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Spam requests to asnb for online withdrawal.
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post Dec 19 2018, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 19 2018, 06:01 PM)
don't worry..
it's coming soon...
if ASB unitholders ask... in big numbers.. they would "hear" the request  bruce.gif
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Spam the requests like asking for calendar. Imagine, just one person send 5 emails ask for online withdrawal, then it would be really fast.
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post Dec 20 2018, 07:20 PM

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See the email properly only send. Otherwise, you just leak your information to strangers.

Anyway, I wonder email server of pnb would encrypt the emails you sent to them or not. If not, you just increase your chance of leaking own information.

Afaik, banks would encrypt the email that include e.g. IC and credit card numbers.

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