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post Oct 11 2018, 05:33 PM, updated 8y ago

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KUALA LUMPUR: All Malaysians may soon have a national digital ID, says Gobind Singh Deo.

The Communications and Multimedia Minister said his ministry was looking to develop this "platform of trust" in cyberspace.

"A plan for a national digital ID is being formulated. This digital ID is not meant to replace the MyKad nor would it be mandatory for everyone," he said at the launch of the Malaysiakini e-commerce summit here Thursday (Oct 11).

Gobind added that a national digital ID is meant to provide a verifiable platform of trust.

"Let me give you an example. When one applies for membership in a certain organisation, more often than not, the organisation would request for a photocopy/image of your MyKad.

"That is not an example of trust nor is it 'verifiable'.

"In comparison, this is what a national digital ID can offer: You could apply to be a member of that organisation by registering your application using the national digital ID. This would be a trusted and verifiable platform," said Gobind.


This is the second time Malaysia is looking into creating such a platform. In 2011, the previous administration under former premier Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak announced the 1Malaysia email project that was to form the basis of a national digital ID as part of the Economic Transformation Program (ETP).

The official government line then was:

"The 1Malaysia Email project is a government initiative in providing a unique and official email account and ID for the citizens of Malaysia.

"This initiative will serve to allow direct and secure communications between citizens and the government, as well as enhance the delivery of government services to consumers and businesses alike."

The RM50mil contract was awarded to Tricubes Bhd but faltered after it was revealed that the company was in the danger of being delisted because of financial irregularities. It was ultimately delisted in 2012.

There was also a grey area whether the project would be funded by Tricubes itself or by the Malaysian taxpayer.

The company was also going to charge government agencies 50sen for each email sent through its platform.


https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...l-in-the-works/
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Well, hopefully it does not become Tricubes 2.0.....
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Machiam pernah aku dengar ini idea...
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:35 PM

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post Oct 11 2018, 05:36 PM

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post Oct 11 2018, 05:36 PM

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post Oct 11 2018, 05:36 PM

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another 1 malaysia email program ? ermmm
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:37 PM

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good concept but i dont trust current data protection and enforcement.

maybe 10years later.
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:41 PM

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post Oct 11 2018, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(lamda @ Oct 11 2018, 05:36 PM)
another 1 malaysia email program ? ermmm
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Maybe something like Facebook or whatsapp.
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:43 PM

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dis digital ID will b just another number

wat makes him think it will not b compromised in any way just like IC numbers?
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:43 PM

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who needs national id when we ady have FB

sampai makan lunch ape pon they know.
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:45 PM

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Nanti siapa nak maintain security update ??

Tak sampai 6 Bulan dah kene hack
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(HarDiE @ Oct 11 2018, 05:43 PM)
who needs national id when we ady have FB

sampai makan lunch ape pon they know.
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easy to create a fake fb account compared to an ID smile.gif
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Wasting money....... This type of minister should be fired by Mahathir
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Wasting money....... This type of minister should be fired by Mahathir
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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Oct 11 2018, 05:37 PM)
good concept but i dont trust current data protection and enforcement.

maybe 10years later.
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:51 PM

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Gonna get tagged like a dog with rfid chips 😅
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QUOTE(cajun2de @ Oct 11 2018, 05:48 PM)
easy to create a fake fb account compared to an ID smile.gif
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:53 PM

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post Oct 11 2018, 05:54 PM

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Next time register at lowyat forum also need this digital ID. No more dupes. Every post is accountable.
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:55 PM

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I don't need another national ID. What we need is to replace the mykad number to prevent frauds as we know all of our personal data has been leaked to third party.

Worsen, banks usually ask for dob and it is easily be guessed correctly from the mykad number.

Also, we don't want to carry another card or to remember another ID!
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Please implement in lyn

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post Oct 11 2018, 05:57 PM

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then all account creations must use this ID. no more dupe liao. heheh
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post Oct 11 2018, 05:59 PM

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if it's just to check if the person is who he say he is

block chain based ID records, hash the IC number and other identifiable details, just cross check the hash.
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QUOTE(Quantum Geist @ Oct 11 2018, 05:59 PM)
if it's just to check if the person is who he say he is

block chain based ID records, hash the IC number and other identifiable details, just cross check the hash.
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post Oct 11 2018, 06:15 PM

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post Oct 11 2018, 06:16 PM

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why can't ic number become digital id?
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post Oct 11 2018, 06:18 PM

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soon /k gonna requires national digital id and no more dupe. bye.gif
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QUOTE(Min Hyo @ Oct 11 2018, 06:16 PM)
why can't ic number become digital id?
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digital id is tagged to a single person and can be verified online easily.
ic number, is known by many people and anyone can pretend to be that person if used online. it requires physical card to perform actual verifications.

inb4 soon someone will hack and reveal/sell all national digital id

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QUOTE(happyking4ever @ Oct 11 2018, 06:20 PM)
digital id is tagged to a single person and can be verified online easily.
ic number, is known by many people and anyone can pretend to be that person if used online. it requires physical card to perform actual verifications.

inb4 soon someone will hack and reveal/sell all national digital id
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let say if i know your digital id, can i pretend to be you?
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post Oct 11 2018, 06:30 PM

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Sounds like the personnumer (person number) system in Sweden.

Which is quite scary when I first arrived in Sweden. It's a lot like MyKad - your DOB and then last 4 digits is random and supposed to be pin.

But the personnummer system is integrated into all systems everywhere, from government to private businesses.

Anything you sign up like open bank account, go dentist, or discount card also use the personnummer.

Same with any website you log in to, there is no user name just use the personnumer.

It is really convenient, but also quite scary. You go to any store, if you forget your member card just tell the cashier your personnumer they will give you the bonus points/discount.

it's a bit scary to imagine that all your personal information can so easily be accessible by anyone with just 4 numbers.
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post Oct 11 2018, 06:31 PM

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Make it mandatory for lowyat.

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web 3.0

malaysia create blockchain for national ID

people will need to pay "gas/fee" to confirm the data
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why not blockchain id. more job created
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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Oct 11 2018, 05:37 PM)
good concept but i dont trust current data protection and enforcement.

maybe 10years later.
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10 years later wouldn't be any safer.
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post Oct 11 2018, 06:44 PM

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instead of names, we are numbered?
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post Oct 11 2018, 07:12 PM

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post Oct 11 2018, 07:13 PM

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gg seller/citizen, gov can hunt you down and tax you like a dog. It's kinda similar to china, if system were abused by gov in long term or new generation gov, it would be very bad. Very good tools for voice suppression as well. Basically, gov know where you go and what you do. If combined with GLC, then.. you imagine it. Imagine all website like wechat, whatsapp, lowyat, shopee require one. Dont feel safe, its like somebody stalking on you.
SO BIG NO!

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A plan for a national digital ID is being formulated. This digital ID is not meant to replace the MyKad nor would it be mandatory for everyone," he said at the launch of the Malaysiakini e-commerce summit here Thursday (Oct 11).

sweat.gif pancut awal

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post Oct 11 2018, 07:26 PM

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PH also want to songlap. How else to to pay for macais for next GE.
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QUOTE(duckhole @ Oct 11 2018, 06:39 PM)
web 3.0

malaysia create blockchain for national ID

people will need to pay "gas/fee" to confirm the data
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I don't think they use Ethereum network
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post Oct 11 2018, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Oct 11 2018, 06:48 PM)
instead of names, we are numbered?
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More like unique moving ledger
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QUOTE(Min Hyo @ Oct 11 2018, 06:28 PM)
let say if i know your digital id, can i pretend to be you?
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digital id is usually some form of data such as a file you stored on your computer, or issue as a smartcard or anything similar. so you usually will not "know" other people digital id as in "knowing" other people ic number. if you "know" other people digital id, it means you have duplicated their data and yes that will mean you can pretend to be them. the user of a digitial id need to safeguard their own file/card/etc so that other people cannot get hold of it.

the difference from ic is that digital id can be read by computer/smartphone/tablet or any electronic reader device and verify the info contain within online. so government website can verify your identify correctly for example. if ic is used in this case, government website will require you to go to nearest branch and present your physical ic to verify your identity.

for example, bitcoin wallet, is also a form of digital id.

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QUOTE(cj7 @ Oct 11 2018, 07:24 PM)
gg seller/citizen, gov can hunt you down and tax you like a dog. It's kinda similar to china, if system were abused by gov in long term or new generation gov, it would be very bad. Very good tools for voice suppression as well. Basically, gov know where you go and what you do. If combined with GLC, then.. you imagine it. Imagine all website like wechat, whatsapp, lowyat, shopee require one. Dont feel safe, its like somebody stalking on you.
SO BIG NO!
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Stupid PH
If want to songlap at least use other project that don't jeopardize our privacy

Someone just got charged for having 14 porn images in his phone. GG we got digitally tagged

http://www.sinarharian.com.my/mahkamah/pen...elefon-1.890315
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Similar to social security number in the states?
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QUOTE(Porie @ Oct 11 2018, 07:41 PM)
Similar to social security number in the states?
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social security number in usa = ic number in malaysia
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QUOTE(cj7 @ Oct 11 2018, 07:24 PM)
gg seller/citizen, gov can hunt you down and tax you like a dog. It's kinda similar to china, if system were abused by gov in long term or new generation gov, it would be very bad. Very good tools for voice suppression as well. Basically, gov know where you go and what you do. If combined with GLC, then.. you imagine it. Imagine all website like wechat, whatsapp, lowyat, shopee require one. Dont feel safe, its like somebody stalking on you.
SO BIG NO!
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Nonense are you taking about. He using proven Estonia method . CCP method is forcing the private company to create system and let security force to 👮 everything
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u want to mass digitally surveillance ke??
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post Oct 11 2018, 07:46 PM

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Once you personal detail on network, nothing is safe. Your old IC, before MyKard, is more secure.
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ Oct 11 2018, 07:40 PM)
Stupid PH
If want to songlap at least use other project that don't jeopardize our privacy

Someone just got charged for having 14 porn images in his phone. GG we got digitally tagged

http://www.sinarharian.com.my/mahkamah/pen...elefon-1.890315
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i read article again. Not mandatory for everyone. pancut awal sweat.gif

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no privacy... every action will be tracked
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Sounds more like an easier way to track the citizens
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QUOTE(Spectreoutreach @ Oct 11 2018, 07:43 PM)
Nonense are you taking about.  He using proven Estonia method . CCP method is forcing the private company to create system and let security force to 👮 everything
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No mandatory for now. But in future if someone want upgrade, it would be very easily. It work fine for other country does not mean it will work the same in this country.

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QUOTE(wangpr @ Oct 11 2018, 05:45 PM)
Wasting money....... This type of minister should be fired by Mahathir
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Disagree. I am not a PH supporter because most of their ministers are incompetent idiots. On the other hand:I support their move on this issue.

This is a good move. This is not waste of money.

First step towards e-identity and e-residency.

Try to understand e-estonia's e-identity.

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QUOTE(nuvi @ Oct 11 2018, 08:05 PM)
Sounds more like an easier way to track the citizens
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Agreed. You will lose privacy for convenience.
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QUOTE(jonoave @ Oct 11 2018, 06:30 PM)
Sounds like the personnumer (person number) system in Sweden.

Which is quite scary when I first arrived in Sweden. It's a lot like MyKad - your DOB and then last 4 digits is random and supposed to be pin.

But the personnummer system is integrated into all systems everywhere, from government to private businesses.

Anything you sign up like open bank account, go dentist, or discount card also use the personnummer.

Same with any website you log in to, there is no user name just use the personnumer.

It is really convenient, but also quite scary. You go to any store, if you forget your member card just tell the cashier your personnumer they will give you the bonus points/discount.

it's a bit scary to imagine that all your personal information can so easily be accessible by anyone with just 4 numbers.
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I think it's more like Swedish BankID or even more like Estonian enhanced ID-card with Electronic identification. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_identification

BankID is incredibly clever and safe solution, only drawback is that it can be used by fraudsters who take advantage of the fact that the technology is used by people who do not understand it all. I.e. people are tricked into taking out loans or transferring money using their electronic id by third parties acting as middlemen, often over the phone.

Personnummer is actually just like NRIC but more widely used by both private and public institutions as unique identifier.
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i though we aldy has digital id , when log in lhdn it always ask,E
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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Oct 11 2018, 05:37 PM)
good concept but i dont trust current data protection and enforcement.

maybe 100years later.
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What is the purpose of digital ID ? I though wallet is enough to pay item ? If something went wrong , $ will not be release because wallet hold your $.

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Sounds like Korea Resident Registration Number. Where the number is used on registering digital ID as well on websites.

Later surf /k use real ID. Bad for all of us. Totally cannot say bad things or surf prawn.
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Guys chill, it said 'A digital ID' for all.
Meaning there's gonna be 1 ID that will exist & be shared by everyone.

One of the ways to save budget
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no other project to do?
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privacy invasion, next time signup lowyat/fb/twitter also need national id sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Ebony & Ivory @ Oct 12 2018, 12:14 AM)
privacy invasion, next time signup lowyat/fb/twitter also need national id sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Songlap @ Oct 12 2018, 12:33 AM)
that username. ebony fetish?  hmm.gif
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Nah, it is the gun name from dmc game.

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JimbeamofNRT
post Oct 12 2018, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(Ebony & Ivory @ Oct 12 2018, 12:14 AM)
privacy invasion, next time signup lowyat/fb/twitter also need national id sweat.gif
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user posted image

I think within 10 years time it will be a reality

you wanna use internet? scan your iris/thumbprint first

scary man. imagine the gomen know every move that you made


wangpr
post Oct 12 2018, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(jenniferjen @ Oct 11 2018, 05:48 PM)
Hi keyboard warrior
Dah abis kerja takde benda buat?
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QUOTE(eksk @ Oct 11 2018, 05:51 PM)
everyday u fire at /k ..kipidap, dongibap
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I say not correct ar, Government say now want introduce new tax coz too much debt, then this project is free of charge ar and very critical and important issit........

Hahahaha....... I just say out, not same channel with me can go have your own opinion.....
PzGman
post Oct 12 2018, 09:37 AM

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user posted image

lmao
bakry
post Oct 12 2018, 09:42 AM

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No need la. Just link ic number to it la.
So if like he said u apply for membership, instead of requesting for ur ic copy, just put ur ic in the data base je la n if it pops up all good, all good la
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post Oct 12 2018, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(lamda @ Oct 11 2018, 05:36 PM)
another 1 malaysia email program ? ermmm
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The email program is super songlap. RM0.50 Per email send?

This national ID, wait for more details before i condemn
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post Oct 12 2018, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(powerlinkers @ Oct 11 2018, 08:17 PM)
Disagree. I am not a PH supporter because most of their ministers are incompetent idiots. On the other hand:I support their move on this issue.

This is a good move. This is not waste of money.

First step towards e-identity and e-residency.

Try to understand e-estonia's e-identity.
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You tendered this project ? hehehe
joe_kopitiam
post Oct 12 2018, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(jonoave @ Oct 11 2018, 06:30 PM)
Sounds like the personnumer (person number) system in Sweden.

Which is quite scary when I first arrived in Sweden. It's a lot like MyKad - your DOB and then last 4 digits is random and supposed to be pin.

But the personnummer system is integrated into all systems everywhere, from government to private businesses.

Anything you sign up like open bank account, go dentist, or discount card also use the personnummer.

Same with any website you log in to, there is no user name just use the personnumer.

It is really convenient, but also quite scary. You go to any store, if you forget your member card just tell the cashier your personnumer they will give you the bonus points/discount.

it's a bit scary to imagine that all your personal information can so easily be accessible by anyone with just 4 numbers.
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hey this is pretty convenient. but who is the caretaker for that id vault? their National Registration Dept?

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post Oct 12 2018, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(wangpr @ Oct 12 2018, 09:05 AM)
I say not correct ar, Government say now want introduce new tax coz too much debt, then this project is free of charge ar and very critical and important issit........

Hahahaha....... I just say out, not same channel with me can go have your own opinion.....
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encouraging you bro.. lawan tetap lawan.. fire away
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post Oct 12 2018, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(joe_kopitiam @ Oct 12 2018, 04:54 AM)
hey this is pretty convenient. but who is the caretaker for that id vault? their National Registration Dept?
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Well the number is issued by the department that handles taxes, called Skatteverket.
I'm not sure if there is a separate National Registration Dept.


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post Oct 12 2018, 05:24 PM

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50c per email, wow that was so damn a lot, profit without any cost...

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