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post Jun 24 2020, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(armitage @ Jun 23 2020, 08:30 AM)
Hi,

I'm helping my sister to fix her wifi coverage at her apartment (~2100 sq ft) and she's currently having low wifi signal in her bedroom (router in the living room). Her router is D-Link DIR-615 router but she doesn't know which Unifi package she's using. Would it help if I replace her router? And if so, which one would you recommend? Thanks!
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Ask her to create the Unifi web login account at https://unifi.com.my/personal and enter the Unifi account number to check her current plan package.
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post Dec 28 2022, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(Gaza @ Dec 7 2022, 11:22 PM)
Hi everyone. I'm currently using unifi 300mbps and my router is located at the red X and i find the connection is not strong at the back room/back toilet at the yellow X. Currently i'm using Asus RT-AC86U router and generally i'm happy with the performance of the it but since its been a few years and i'm thinking of upgrading my router.

Assuming i dont change the location of the router,
1. If i get mesh will it help my wifi coverage? And where would be the ideal location of the mesh unit? Previously i thought mesh more applicable for multi storey houses but i see some ppl recommend for larger single floor units like condo as well.
2. Since i play online shooters (my PC is in the back room with the yellow X) quite often will mesh be worse performance for gaming than gaming router? Is the trade off for better coverage worth it?

Edit: Please recommend router budget RM1k or below, thanks.

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Asus ZenWIFI XT8 WIFI can adequately cover your plan layout in its default settings. Only one router (main) on the first floor and one node on the second floor in a perpendicular location
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post Dec 28 2022, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(t3n @ Dec 25 2022, 01:27 PM)
Hi i bought 3 tplink mesh router for my house. Plan to install one of each at each floor. (3 floors)

My ground floor has a lan port which is connected/link to the lan port on my 1st floor

Can i connect/link ground floor and 1st floor mesh using lan port only? Without using wifi connection? My 3rd floor mesh will be connected/link via mesh wifi..
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In its default settings, the Asus ZenWIFI XT8 WIFI can adequately cover your plan layout over the wireless backhaul. There is only one router (main) on the first floor and one node on each of the second and third floors in a perpendicular location as close as possible. I did this configuration for my neighbor's three-story house.

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post Dec 28 2022, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(t3n @ Dec 28 2022, 01:16 PM)
Yeah i know wireless is adequate. But with Lan cable connected to the 2nd node ar 2nd floor, the signal will be much stable..
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When it comes to cable Ethernet backhaul, it is common knowledge...the only difference is the cost of investing in it (finding the good installation technicians if required, and the expenses involved). Why limit yourself to providing wired backhaul when you can provide comprehensive wired connectivity to supplement the wireless access points? If you have enough money, you may just wire the entire house. grin.gif
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post Jun 25 2023, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(james2306 @ Jun 24 2023, 04:02 PM)
Hello,

Currently unifi 800

As i understand it, i can get 1 XT8 as main and a RT-AX53U as mesh node. (i already own a RT-AX53U as emergency backup router)

I know location/distance is a factor with meshs. For an example, my current set-up is 2 Deco M9Plus's. The distance is roughly 15m, 2 walls. I get at least 300mb at the node currently.

If i switch to XT8 + RT-AX53U in the same spots, would i get at least 150mb at the node? Usage at the node is usually just 1 SmartTV with AstroBox and 2 Cameras. As i understand the AX53U is not as strong as the Deco M9Plus.
I want to switch to ASUS Routers moving forward. But due to my budget, around RM1k only at the moment, im thinking of starting with 1 XT8, then upgrade the RT-AX53U node to better ones (maybe a 2nd XT8/XT9 if it comes out or other tri-band models) in the future.

Also tempted by the AIProtection Pro free for life feature....
TLDR; Is XT8 + RT-AX53U better or worse than 2x Deco M9Plus for speeds at the node, if usage location/conditions the same? Assuming is it worse, how much worse?
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Even though you have different Asus router models in your Asus AiMesh network, devices that are assigned to the router with bigger bandwidth will have better speed than the devices that are assigned to the one with lesser bandwidth.

To take advantage of the bandwidth, assign the router with better bandwidth (Asus ZenWifi XT8) as the main router in the AiMesh network.

However, in your case, both Asus models will likely use 5Ghz-1 band as the wireless backhaul to create the mesh network. This is because AX-53U doesn't have 5Ghz-2 band unlike ZenWifi AX XT8.

Since it is not a dedicated backhaul, your devices and mesh backhaul will have to share the same 5Ghz-1 band.

Due to your AiMesh network design choice (ZenWifi XT8 + AX-53U), it won't be better than two Deco M9 Plus mesh system since Deco M9 Plus can fully utilize 5Ghz-2 band as a dedicated wireless backhaul.

Henceforth, it's better to buy two pack ZenWifi AX XT8 rather than sticking to your design choice proposal. Save your money for a better wireless backhaul solution.

You can still use AX-53U to extend the range together with 2-pack ZenWifi XT8, albeit with lower speed for devices assigned to AX-53U.

If my proposal is too expensive for you to take, you can stick with your proposal but you can opt for a wired backhaul to create your AiMesh network.

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QUOTE(eauyong @ Jul 17 2023, 08:08 AM)
Is there any test results to prove your statement? Or, just a thought?
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Maybe this review can help:

https://dongknows.com/tp-link-archer-ax73-a...-router-review/

key points from the review that compares AX5400 against AX3000:

Performance: The AX5400 router is slightly faster than the AX3000 router in terms of download speeds. However, the difference in performance is not that significant, and both routers are capable of providing very good performance.
Range: The AX5400 router has a slightly longer range than the AX3000 router. However, both routers have a good range, and most users will not notice a difference in range.
Features: The AX5400 router has a few additional features than the AX3000 router, such as OFDMA and MU-MIMO. However, these features are not essential for most users, and the AX3000 router still offers a good set of features.

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post Aug 27 2023, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(AweFace @ Aug 23 2023, 09:25 PM)
I've purchased Deco M9 but I can't connect from modem to Deco router, need connect from Unifi provided router to Deco like pic

Link: Pic

I tried to connect Deco to modem LAN1, PPPoE with my Unifi account, still get red light. Only the setup above can work. Any ideas why?
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post Aug 30 2023, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Aug 29 2023, 07:23 AM)
Just wondering does this still apply today? sweat.gif

Like for example with new asus router model such as tuf ax4200 and tuf ax6000?

What about RT model such as ax53U and also the ax57?
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Update:
Corrected the max wireless speeds and bands. (All are dual-band routers)



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post Aug 30 2023, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Aug 30 2023, 07:20 PM)
blacktubi review of tuf ax4200 seems promising. Bought 1 to replace my ax30 lol. Hopefully can reduce wifi latency.
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see my updated table in my previous post (due to mistakes I have made)

You might be surprised to learn that WiFi 6 SoC, the BCM6756 in the ASUS RT-AX57 (2022), may also support WiFi 6E. The BCM6756 SoC is the successor to the BCM6755 SoC used in the ZenWIFI AX XT8 (2020), which is only a WiFi 6 SoC.

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https://www.broadcom.com/products/wireless/...ructure/bcm6756
https://www.broadcom.com/products/wireless/...ructure/bcm6755

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QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Oct 21 2023, 09:56 AM)
from reading complaints about aimesh in here, it gives impression that • cobbling different models together at start is error prone and need patience, and • continued use after initial set up is unstable.
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AI Mesh rules are simple: When setting up a mesh network, it's best to use the same model and technology for all routers and nodes. Mixing different models and technologies can cause compatibility issues and affect performance.

If possible, it's recommended to use routers and nodes with the same Wi-Fi technology. For example, using AX and AC technology is not ideal as it can affect network speed/bandwidth.

Although using a wired backhaul is the optimal choice for better performance, it could be expensive as it requires investing in cables and/or switches. Alternatively, using wireless backhaul is a more affordable option, but it may not provide the same level of performance. Additionally, finding the best location to place the mesh nodes can also be challenging.




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QUOTE(kwss @ Oct 14 2025, 09:58 PM)
excl.gif WiFi Alliance and with their WiFi 7 scam excl.gif
After doing some research about upgrading my own network, I just want to share my findings to everyone about how absurd is WiFi 7. The price difference between product can be a lot and you shall find out why. The main problem is you will never know if the WiFi 7 device you buy actually support any of the things I shall list below.

What you get with WiFi 7
Preamble Puncturing, Multi Resource Unit and bigger Compressed Block Ack.
These are the only 3 thing that is mandatory in certification. Preamble Puncturing and Multi-RU is the fundamental improvement to spectral efficiency. You rarely see anyone talk about them because the speed improvement are from zero to a bit. Yes, it is possible to see absolutely zero improvement in the real world.
They only matter in high interference environment, or during that short beacon period where your neighbor use a broadcast channel that is between your selected spectrum width.

512 MPDU compressed block ack is a double edge sword. It try to save a bit of airtime by doubling the ack period for MPDU. If there is no loss, then you save a tiny bit of airtime. If there is loss, you need to retransmit the whole 512 MPDU and actually get hit with massive latency spike.

WiFi Alliance deliberately hide the fact the specification is incomplete
They already knew from the start there will be at least an Release 1 certification, and Release 2 certification that is coming December, 2025 (end of this year). It feels like 802.11ac Wave 2 all over again. I have no idea what is inside Release 2 so just know that it will appear starting 2026 (next year).

WPA3 and mandatory PMF
If you disable any of these due to compatibility with your IoT or whatever shitty device you have, your WiFi 7 effectively operates as WiFi 6. Not just for the single IoT device, but for everyone.

4k QAM
For the first time in WiFi standard, QAM improvement is optional. Even with 4k QAM, you must have at least 42dB SNR for it to actually work, which is 128x more sensitivity than WiFi 6 (25 dB) !!!
dB is not linear. Every 3dB = 2x. You are free to do the math and correct me.

The old trick of comparing chipset and match them to feature will not work for WiFi 7. I will explain starting from 4k QAM.
For such a high QAM, the amplifier and all frontend components must be linear and distortion free. What each manufacturer put inside their product is up to them. As with amplifier, they won't be perfectly linear and all of them will introduce distortion as EIRP increases.

So don't see that it contains Qualcomm xxx model or Intel yyy model and assume they can do 4k QAM.

MLO
MLO is an operational mode in WiFi 7. The marketing is the one that keep peddling how it will almost double your transmit rate.
Only MLMR mode will do that. Every other mode can't. Guess what? MLMR is an optional feature.

For every device that claim MLO support, which mode do they actually support? This is the real question.

The challenge for MLMR is that if the frontend do not have enough air gap isolation, the signal will interfere with each other. So depending on how manufacturer pack all the components together, there is a chance that it won't work. WiFi 7 requires a totally new way of component placement. For manufacturer that just swap the chipset and retains the PCB layout, this won't fly.

320 MHz channel width
For the first time in WiFi history, doubling of channel width is optional. We have gone from 20MHz to 40, 80, 160 and... 320 is optional.
Every generation of WiFi get their speed predominantly by doubling the channel width. We have reached a point where the channel width is so large now, your neighbor will definitely interfere with you. For the rest of the world where 500 MHz is all there is in 6 GHz, the 320MHz channel is already taking up more than half the spectrum.

If your WiFi 7 device is cheap, it probably cannot do 6 GHz, won't do 320MHz and has the exact same performance as WiFi 6.

EDIT:
Decide to page people who is known to be interested in WiFi 7
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Too bad... we can't use the UNII-7/8 (Upper 6 GHz) band between 6525 and 7125 MHz because these are restricted or reserved by MCMC, especially for future IMT-2030 plan (Sub-6G and clause inclusion for WAS/RLAN/WIFI). Otherwise, we could enjoy the full 1200 MHz range of the Pro or BE30000 version of ZenWiFi BQ16 and ROG Rapture GT-BE98.

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Image source Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/1dbd...a_asus_be30000/

From MCMC Spectrum Plan 2022 (snippets for fair use of discussion only)
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https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/21/18-21...-6ghz-band.docx

https://dynamicspectrumalliance.org/wp-cont...-6-GHz-band.pdf


Strategic Communications and Multimedia Technology Roadmap 2025–2030 (MyTMAP2030)
https://mtsfb.org.my/wp-content/uploads/202..._compressed.pdf

IMT-2030
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https://unidir.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/...nd-IMT-2030.pdf

https://www.asus.com/my/support/faq/1051272...20than%20before.



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QUOTE(kwss @ Nov 1 2025, 07:22 PM)
What you said is indeed true.
At least in the coming WiFi 8, the advertised speed is the same as WiFi 7. But I don't see how this will go on forever considering they already maxed out the channel width. Maybe they will further segment it with 320+80 or something.

I would say the speed improvement is due to better frontend hardware. Lower distortion, more linear amplifier, different way of component placement leading to better shielding against self interference.

This will bump up MCS so older device works better. If OEM use the same frontend and swap to WiFi 6 SoC, I believe performance will be similar. This is especially true for router that support 4k QAM.

Still, 4k QAM is optional. There's a chance you see zero improvement.
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Look, the bottom line is that old Wi-Fi is full of traffic jams. 😩

We used to just plug in a router and expect Wi-Fi to deliver the internet speed we paid for. But now, with everyone streaming 4K and running 50 smart devices, the 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz bands are totally clogged.

The 6 GHz band (used by Wi-Fi 6E and Wi-Fi 7) is basically a brand-new, empty highway. It’s designed to let your router handle way more traffic without slowing everything down. It’s about capacity—not just raw speed.

The latest gear, like Wi-Fi 7 with its 320 MHz super-wide lanes, is built to prevent your Wi-Fi from being the weakest link in your setup—especially if you have fast fiber internet or use devices like VR headsets that demand flawless connections.

So no, the upgrade isn’t just a marketing gimmick. It’s a real solution to congested networks. 👍

This study will give you more insight into the ITU plan for the 6 GHz bands and RLANs.
https://dynamicspectrumalliance.org/wp-cont...Hz-EU-Study.pdf

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QUOTE(kwss @ Nov 1 2025, 09:51 PM)
I think you need to read my post again.
I explicitly call out WiFi 7 spec due to all the OPTIONAL features.

As a consumer you suddenly need to know all these thing to get the full benefits of WiFi 7. It used to be that you buy a WiFi 5 or WiFi 6 gear and expect them to perform better.

Not with WiFi 7. I never say 6GHz is a scam. But not all WiFi 7 has 6Ghz.
Same goes for 320Mhz, 4k QAM, MLO. They are all OPTIONAL
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My bad, you nailed it 100%. 🤦‍♂️

That's the entire problem with Wi-Fi 7 right now: It's a huge asterisk.

It used to be simple: Wi-Fi 6 meant better performance. Now, WiFi 7 is a checkbox menu for manufacturers.

You buy a router expecting that blazing speed and the new 6 GHz band, only to find out those features, the 320 MHz channels, the 4K QAM, and the MLO, are all "optional"

You suddenly have to be a spectrum regulator just to make sure the "WiFi7" badge on the box is actually worth anything.

For us in Malaysia, it's double trouble: Even if you buy the most expensive router that does include all those features (like the BE30000/Pro version with two 6 GHz radios), our local rules force them to disable half the 6 GHz band anyway.

So you're paying a huge premium for optional features that you can't even legally use here. It’s a consumer minefield.
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I use AI to summarize what the Malaysian consumer should do when looking for a WIFI7 router/mesh system. Maybe you can verify them:

🔥 Wi-Fi 7 Shopping Guide for Malaysia 🔥

Shopping for Wi-Fi 7 Devices in Malaysia: Essential Checklist and Pitfalls

When buying a Wi-Fi 7 device in Malaysia, focus on these critical points:
  • Official Certification & Protocol: Look for the "Wi-Fi 7" or "Wi-Fi CERTIFIED 7" label and the "802.11be" protocol listed in the specifications.
  • SIRIM Certification is Mandatory: Ensure the device is locally certified by SIRIM. Products purchased from official Malaysian retailers should have the correct, MCMC-compliant settings for the local market, ensuring only permitted parts of the spectrum are used.
  • 6 GHz Band Support (Lower Band Only): While the 6 GHz band is a core part of the standard, currently only the lower 500 MHz portion (5.925 GHz to 6.425 GHz) is approved for use in Malaysia. Devices should automatically adhere to this local regulation.
  • "320 MHz Channels" (Limited Use): This key Wi-Fi 7 speed feature is likely limited in Malaysia. Since full 320 MHz channels often require the restricted upper 6 GHz spectrum, you may only be able to use 160 MHz channels in the 6 GHz band.
  • Mandatory MLO Feature (Check Variants): Ensure "Multi-Link Operation (MLO)" is mentioned. This mandatory Wi-Fi 7 feature improves reliability and latency. Note that there are different variants:
    • STR (Simultaneous Transmit and Receive): The high-performance mode offering true simultaneous use of multiple bands for the best speed and lowest latency.
    • EMLSR (Enhanced Multi-Link Single Radio): A more power-efficient mode for mobile devices that intelligently switches between bands.
    Action for Best Performance: For the best performance on a router, look for devices supporting the STR variant.
  • Optional 4K QAM Modulation (Proximity & Near Line of Sight Required): Look for "4K QAM" or "4096-QAM" mention if you want the extra 20% speed boost.

    QUOTE
    ⚡ PITFALL WARNING for 4K QAM: This feature works only in close proximity (same room, a few meters away) and ideally with a clear line of sight (LOS) to the Access Point (AP). It requires an exceptionally strong and clean signal. Physical obstructions like walls quickly degrade the signal quality, making the feature unusable in other rooms. It is not a whole-home coverage feature. Don't expect a 20% speed boost throughout your house.


  • Multi-Gigabit Ethernet Ports: Check for wired ports faster than 1 Gbps (e.g., 2.5 Gbps or 10 Gbps) to match the high wireless speeds.
  • Client Device Compatibility: The "full Wi-Fi 7 experience" requires both your router and client devices to support the specific features that are enabled and permitted in Malaysia. The network will accommodate older devices without slowing down the faster ones' capabilities.
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