erm, lol thats true. Michael is still an adviser

I think what he meant is driving the Ferrari car again, which I doubt so...

it was fine yesterday.

Race will start at 1am

Congratz to Lewis. He may very well be this year champion. a record unimaginable to other drivers.

That guy is cracking now. He's losing his championship to his own new comer team mate

Nowadays F1 cars are so tough drivers hardly get scratch during accidents
At least safety is one thing in F1 that is going in the right direction.

he mention that some part was boring, so good for him, SC spice things up a little bit

It can still be defended. Alonso just kept his line and let Sato through, most driver would have at least made one maneuver to either keep the car behind out of his slip stream or take the ideal racing line to try block the opponent.

It's not the first time we see Alonso gave up at the closing stage. Remember when he was overtook by Nick in previous races.

A mistake made is still a mistake, whether you're a rookie or a 10x world champion.

Alonso certainly wasn't in his best form yesterday. Look at how many time he miss chicane 1. He was full of mistake yesterday. Towards the end, he seems to play a little too safe.

Well, its his rights to do whatever he wants and play as safe as he wants too. But you won't have anyone else to blame but alonso himself when Hamilton takes the championship title away from him

Past 2 years, alonso has been going against drivers who are driving a car that either doesn't have enough downforce or blows up engines and gearbox from time to time. This year, he's up against his own team mate with the same tool that he has. His playing safe ways may not work this time around.

BTW Massa and Fisi is horrible. worst mistake ever made.

Its the same for everyone. Alonso would still be remembered as the driver who won 2 world champions with Renault, and for all other championship that he will win in the future. When schumi drove into Jaques, it was an unforgivable mistake that none of his fans can defend, and I'm sure whichever team he was driving for, their fans didn't like like it either.

But now is now. If those mistakes were left unacknowledged by the driver them self, it could harm the driver himself. Massa should not have shown the thumbs down either, it was totally his own fault.

I mean, bad mistake should not be defended too much, heh.

I think the fact that he mention it really caught people attention, and the team will not be happy about it.

It shouldnt even be a challenge if the team is fair. The only way for it to be a challenge means that he has to be going against the tide working in the team. At least such comments does suggest so.

I don't think McLaren is unfair against him either. They sign Alonso with a huge paycheck, they're obviously committed in getting him the crown. It's up to him to prove himself that he's worth it.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Jun 15 2007, 01:18 AM

I don't think so lol. I expect Alonso to look elsewhere after his contract runs out.

Hamilton is now a very valuable driver, if not most valuable after Michael Schumacher. Big budget teams like Ferrari will be looking at signing him up, and McLaren will be digging deep into their pocket to keep Hamilton there. Alonso doesn't have much to bargain for if he wants to stay at McLaren, they're going to go bankrupt with two high paying drivers.

yep, i don't think he'll leave that soon too
thts why i mention that alonso will be the one looking for other team first

I think at least it has some overtaking, although they didn't show kimi passing a car. But there are some real overtaking done by Button and Fisi, showing at least they can still overtake.

If compare to Monaco or Spain, those two are worse.

Anyway good job to Lewis again. This time he shows that he doesn't need Alonso to be having a bad time going offtrack for him to win. In fact, Alonso pressured him to to point of Alonso himself making mistake and Lewis didn't crack a tiny bit. That guy is going to sweep the championship.

today astro also never show live qualifying

sien... all want to show F1 but don't want to do it properly

FIA award points to those who cross the line first, not the one who does the best cha cha dance on the podium.

Kimi can celebrate however he wants, it doesn't matter. What does matter is he wins.

Either you've watching the wrong season or you're being ignorant.

Massa isn't perfect either. Look at Canada, he refuse to take the blame for his mistake. In France, he blame back markers. Alonso instead admit that his car was two slow and refuse to blame backmarkers when asked to comment on them. He also said it's the same for Kimi so the back markers makes no different. And that's why he's a 2 times world champion.

Kimi is doing his job just fine. If he isn't helping the team developing the car by actually driving it during testing, he wouldn't have been able to learn how to use it the way Michael always do with attacking the lap times when it matters most.

Just because Massa is slower and made a mistake in the past couple of race, it doesn't meant Ferrari is developing the car around Kimi. Why not face the fact that Massa made mistake? Kimi is different from Michael. He and Massa came into a team which is already at the top. Michael came to a midfield team, build the team back up to its winning ways and go further by winning them 5 championship, keeping Ferrari up there for as long as he could.

So why complain when Ferrari builds their team around their one and only hope season after season? Eddie had the chance and he blew it. Rubens is nowhere near championship material. If Rubens could bring Honda back up to the top and win the championship, I'm 101% sure Honda will be build around him. Will anyone complain against Honda then? I though so too

Unless you're working in Ferrari factory, you can't simply accuse them to be building the car around Kimi, just because Kimi is winning now. If you don't like kimi, too bad then but it still doesn't change the fact that Kimi is a good driver.

Where did you get that fact? Are you an engineer that involves in their development program

So Mr Britannica, where in the article mention that ferrari are building their car around Kimi? You think Massa would have just sit back and enjoy being Number 2? He's not even Number 2 yet for god's sake.

When you have a new driver like Kimi in a Ferrari or Alonso in the McLaren, you'll have to fine tune the car to their driving style. And by fine tuning means the way it's being set up, handling and stuff like that. It does NOT equate to developing aero and suspension/transmission hardware to suite their driving style.

The difference here is that all cars are tuned to each driver's style. Kimi car is tuned to his style while Massa car is tuned to his. And this cannot be done with just the few laps during each grand prix weekend as that time has to be spent to tune the car to the track conditions instead. So fine tuning the car to the drivers style is done during the hundred laps of testing.

Did any of those meant that the development of the car is biased towards Kimi? Why not build a McLaren for him instead.

Suspension broke because of the vibration of the flatspot. The main reason? tires are not allow to change for that particular season. Once you flatspot a tire, it tend to lock up at that very same spot making situation worse. That incident wasn't a one off and rather was a key issue about the safety of these new rules FIA came up with to spice up the circus show. Eventually, that rule lasted for one year only.

If you were to count the number times a drivers flatspot their tires, you'll lost count each race. Everyone flatspot their tires every once in a while. Its just that the tires got change and furthermore, with tire changes, the tire doesn't have to be ridiculously hard that made it easy to lock the tires up badly.


Just like alonso, kimi is a world champion material. If you wanna dig out all Kimi's weakness, Alonso has them too even in this season. But what's the point right? Its the result that matters. There's no need to go as far as accusing Ferrari of developing their car for kimi just cause his winning now and he's not in your "ILoveThem" list

You sir, are trying to put Kimi down just because you don't like him. You wanna talk about Kimi mistakes and accuse Ferrari of favoring Kimi just because Kimi is winning and you don't like him. Well, anyone can do the same against Alonso by digging out all his mistake and how he gets trash by someone with a paycheck less than half of his, but whats the point? Just cause you doesn't like a driver doesn't mean that you must be perpetually ignorant against his ability as a driver himself and the fact that he is a championship material, he is a top driver, the way Alonso is.

I don't like Alonso all that much either but to me, he's still a world champion and will always be. I didn't say Alonso wins cause the McLaren wings are flexing, or that McLaren are building their car in favor of him. He wins cause he's fast. And he beaten the over-inflated Lewis cause he has more experience in handling pressure.

So why is there a need of being so shallow as to put kimi down with all this ridiculous accusation instead of embracing the fact that Kimi is fast and there's a reason why Luca pays him such a huge paycheck?

Afterall, both Ferrari driver have to prove themself and at this point of the championship, no biased favor is given to any of the driver yet.

Depends on what "faster" you mean.
If straightline speed, it looks so. But if you mean lap times and cornering speed, of course F1 is by far faster than any other car on planet earth

Alonso currently is one of the best driver in wets, though not as bullet proof as Michael once was. But still the best of current drivers.

But let me ask you something. Did you for a moment, felt that Alonso gesture at his car's side pod was necessary? I mean, its just a plain racing incident, its not like he never defended his position in such manner before. Why did he feel the need to act in such a childish way?

Of course Massa is no innocent either, he should had keep himself compose and give Alonso a wake up call during press conference that that is the way people defend, that's just racing incident, don't like it? Tough buns.

This post has been edited by Hornet: Jul 22 2007, 11:34 PM